rtx 2070 super AMD 5700 XT or NVIDIA 2070 Super (Gigabyte Aorus) ?

[ac88]

Hey everyone,

 

I want to upgrade my graphics card for my AMD Ryzen (gaming) build.

right now i have a "ASUS Dual Radeon RX580 O8G" i bought a couple of months ago brand new, that makes a lot of noise,

and has this coil whine (weird sound) everytime im playing a game. ( i only play triple AAA games )

 

Im thinking of buying the new GIGABYTE AORUS GeForce RTX 2070 Super but im also looking for a silent card?

i already know it's slightly better than the new AMD Radeon 5700 XT and that its also a huge price difference (almost € 200,-)

plus+ the AMD 5700 XT are all blowerstyle gpu's for now..... still waiting....

 

So now my question is, Should i go for the GIGABYTE AORUS GeForce RTX 2070 Super?

and does it make less noise than an AMD 5700 XT? 

 

My Build:

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 2700 

CPU Cooler: Corsair H115i RGB Platinum AIO WaterCooler

MOBO: ASUS X470 Motherboard 

MEMORY: Corsair Vengeance 32 GB - 3200Ghz /

POWER SUPPLY: Corsair HX850 

 

Monitor: ( current + yet to buy )

 

LG Ultrawide : 2560x1080 / 75 Hz

?GamingMonitor? : 2560x1440 / 144 Hz

 

i hope somebody can help me with this,

Thankyou in advance...

 

 

 

[Metallus97]

For now: Wait for the custom AMD cards. They should take a few weeks

THEN compare again

 

In general: AMD! The price difference is just insane for this little bit of performance.

AND YES Raytracing and shit is cool. But till now you cant really use it. Wait for your next GPU buy, then this tech will have evolved enough and be supported in more games etc (and AMD will hopefully also be able to do it)

[Humbug]

Get a 5700xt.

New architecture looks great, is already fast and will only get quicker. Price/perf unmatched.

[patent122]

Current driver for RX 5700XT is a disaster. You won't have stable system with this card. I have issues and many other people so keep that in mind. Black screens, green screens, driver crashes, wattman crashes, LOST HDMI SIGNAL, screen going black, game freezes, PC freezes and many more stupid issues. This card performance is unmatched when it finally starts to work in some games but there are too many problems currently.. I'm actually thinking about returning it and grabbing normal RTX 2070...

[patent122]

Wait for custom RX cards, maybe new drivers will come out and fix this crap. It's a disaster currently. Worst drivers I have ever seen, RX 590 also got hit and lost 20% performance in this driver version

[WallacEngineering]

@ac88 At Stock or Mildly Overclocked speeds, the AMD RX 5700 XT represents a better value for standard aspect ratio 1440p gaming (2560x1440 16:9), but I would wait for aftermarket cards to release in 4 weeks. The stock blower is barely okay on the lower end 5700 NON-XT. On the XT version, its hideously bad.

 

Meanwhile, the Nvidia RTX 2070-Super is a better value for Ultra-Wide 1440p (3440x1440 21:9) simply because the 5700XT is just barely not quite powerful enough for this resolution on high settings in some games. Again, this is comparing the two cards at stock to mildly overclocked speeds.

 

If you do the work and modify the RX 5700XT CORRECTLY AND SAFELY, the AMD card simply wipes the floor with the Nvidia competition for the price, closing in on the performance of an overclocked RTX 2080 NON-Super. See ny new thread for more info: 

 

[Cigano]

I just bought the 2070S. Better drivers, better thermals by a lot (till sometime in august), much better look IMO (again will change in a few weeks), a little bit better raw performance, and RT. Lots of new exciting titles are supporting ray tracing. I even got two triple-A ray tracing supported games in a bundle with my 2070S. It is 100$ more but for something I'm going to have for at least two years, that's really not that much. Go out to eat three or four times and you spend around that if not more.  

[ad_hoc]

1 hour ago, Cigano said:

I just bought the 2070S. Better drivers, better thermals by a lot (till sometime in august), much better look IMO (again will change in a few weeks), a little bit better raw performance, and RT. Lots of new exciting titles are supporting ray tracing. I even got two triple-A ray tracing supported games in a bundle with my 2070S. It is 100$ more but for something I'm going to have for at least two years, that's really not that much. Go out to eat three or four times and you spend around that if not more.  

If we use this reasoning about money we get all the way up to the 2080 Ti.

$100 for a GPU is $100 less for other parts (or rent, etc.)

[Cigano]

2 minutes ago, ad_hoc said:

If we use this reasoning about money we get all the way up to the 2080 Ti.

$100 for a GPU is $100 less for other parts (or rent, etc.)

I mean...no you really can't. If it was a 250$ difference I wouldn't be using that reasoning obviously. For 100$ you're getting a game bundle worth 90$ (two triple-A  titles with RT) better out of the box driver support, better performance in the vast majority of games, raytracing, much better cooling, and a much better-looking card (IMO obviously). It's not like the 100$ is for absolutely nothing you're literally making up the difference in just games alone. I just don't see 100$ as being that big of a deal for something I will have for years and be able to resell and make 60-75% of my money back on.   

[WallacEngineering]

3 hours ago, Cigano said:

I just bought the 2070S. Better drivers, better thermals by a lot (till sometime in august), much better look IMO.  

Lol even though you acknowledge the fact that the AMD RX 5700-XT will get much better with custom cards, you still think this argument still holds some sort of value.

 

Congrats on your new card man, its not like tbe Nvidia RTX 2070-Super is a bad card by any means. Its an awesome card.

 

However, RT is completely useless at this point, probably will be for the next few years, not worth the performance hit, and really only the RTX 2080 and above cards have enough RT power to be decent at it.

 

On top of all that, the RX 5700-XT overclocks beyond the performance of even a max overclocked RTX 2070-Super, as I showed earlier. The AMD card is simply a better value and theres no arguing that, but hey at least you don't have to wait another 4 weeks for decent cooling, and I do really like the finish and cleaness of modern Nvidia Reference designs.

[xAcid9]

On 7/17/2019 at 3:57 AM, patent122 said:

Wait for custom RX cards, maybe new drivers will come out and fix this crap. It's a disaster currently. Worst drivers I have ever seen, RX 590 also got hit and lost 20% performance in this driver version

Did you try the new driver? With latest DDU.

[patent122]

10 hours ago, xAcid9 said:

Did you try the new driver? With latest DDU.

There was something wrong either with game or entire RadeonSettings.exe. I used custom driver installation and selected to install ONLY driver without Wattman etc. Game finally works. I managed to play for 3 hours without crash, earlier I coudn't even play for 1 hour. However I can't use Freesync and do UV because of that. AMD must release huge driver fixing atleast most of these issues. I can actually write you a wall of text which include current RX 5700 issues

[Nena Trinity]

I say with my experience with both GTX 960, 970 and Vega 56 if 5700 cards have same reliable driver I vote for that! (only concern could be RTX tough I do not have faith it will be a requirement for games any time soon...)

[Cigano]

On 7/18/2019 at 12:48 AM, WallacEngineering said:

Lol even though you acknowledge the fact that the AMD RX 5700-XT will get much better with custom cards, you still think this argument still holds some sort of value.

 

Congrats on your new card man, its not like tbe Nvidia RTX 2070-Super is a bad card by any means. Its an awesome card.

 

However, RT is completely useless at this point, probably will be for the next few years, not worth the performance hit, and really only the RTX 2080 and above cards have enough RT power to be decent at it.

 

On top of all that, the RX 5700-XT overclocks beyond the performance of even a max overclocked RTX 2070-Super, as I showed earlier. The AMD card is simply a better value and theres no arguing that, but hey at least you don't have to wait another 4 weeks for decent cooling, and I do really like the finish and cleaness of modern Nvidia Reference designs.

yeah for raw FPS on a card that won't thermal throttle it's a better value when specifically talking about FPS I agree. But like I said it comes with two games that support RT that I planned on buying anyway which would have cost me 90$. I completely disagree about ray tracing though there are many different ways it can be implemented and a decent list of games that already support it with good enough frame rates. I'm fine with playing a single-player game at 60FPS to see some new technology for essentially 10$ extra. These are all the games that support RT and that will support RT just until the end of this year.

• Assetto Corsa Competizione
• Atomic Heart
• Battlefield V
• Call of Duty: Modern Warfare (2019)
• Control
• Cyberpunk 2077
• Enlisted
• Justice
• JX3
• MechWarrior 5: Mercenaries
• Metro Exodus
• ProjectDH
• Quake II
• Shadow of the Tomb Raider
• Vampire: The Masquerade – Bloodlines 2
• Watch Dogs Legion
• Wolfenstein: Youngblood

The implementation of RT in existing games has gotten better and better over time and RT can be enjoyed with satisfactory performance in a number of games right this moment. Many more will obviously "unofficially" support it and the performance will get better over time. The 5700xt is a cool card It's just not as exciting for me. 

[WallacEngineering]

@Cigano Ill consider RT relevant when its supported by around 50% of modern games and doesnt absolutely tank your FPS to enable it. Until then, useless.

 

Give me 100+ FPS with RT enabled at a reasonable price around $500 or less with support for most AAA titles and then I might think the hype is worth buying into.

 

Not too mention there are still major bugs happening in RT. Stability, reliability, performance, and affordability, thats what I need to see before I pay the RTX tax.