6800k wont take an OC anymore

[ScaryFatKidGT]

So I after not using my computer for 6 months or so (some internet browsing but no gaming) I booted it up and updated everything and it seems like my CPU is just running stock setting don't know why. I just made a video so you guys can see everything.

 

 

1. Started computer and updated everything, saw no OC in updates CPU-Z

2. Went into BIOS and saw OC

3. Reset BIOS to default

4. Cleaned dust from pc topped of coolant res redid OC at specs in vid and fan curve

5. Still no OC in CPUZ

[Jurrunio]

Yeah Intel broke it with microcode updates. 

[Princess Luna]

That is normal, Intel was forced to roll out microcode security patch to all of Broadwell-E that locks the multiplier or in other words disables overclocking.

[ScaryFatKidGT]

2 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

Yeah Intel broke it with microcode updates. 

Huh? like to cover the security issues, what ever they were called? Can you fix it or you just can't OC any older chips anymore?

[ScaryFatKidGT]

And nobody is suing them? like WTF?

 

Does Skylake-X and Skylake-X refresh have these issues? Do they still have a performance hit from before this... I don't remember when this stuff went down, was Skylake-X refresh after these issues, so not effected by them?

[JabroniBaloney]

25 minutes ago, ScaryFatKidGT said:

And nobody is suing them? like WTF?

 

Does Skylake-X and Skylake-X refresh have these issues? Do they still have a performance hit from before this... I don't remember when this stuff went down, was Skylake-X refresh after these issues, so not effected by them?

Why don't you start the lawsuit then?

[ScaryFatKidGT]

7 minutes ago, JabroniBaloney said:

Why don't you start the lawsuit then?

Well seriously it's a K series... like wasn't there any other way to fix the security issues

[Jurrunio]

1 hour ago, ScaryFatKidGT said:

Huh? like to cover the security issues, what ever they were called? Can you fix it or you just can't OC any older chips anymore?

You can run older BIOS updates that carry older microcodes, but then you have to use older OS (not Windows 10 1903 for sure) because otherwise they tend to crash randomly, and you still dont get any overclocking.

 

38 minutes ago, ScaryFatKidGT said:

Well seriously it's a K series... like wasn't there any other way to fix the security issues

They wont tell us what went wrong under the hood, but neither Skylake nor Skylake-X nor Haswell-e suffer from the same problem

[ScaryFatKidGT]

42 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

You can run older BIOS updates that carry older microcodes, but then you have to use older OS (not Windows 10 1903 for sure) because otherwise they tend to crash randomly, and you still dont get any overclocking.

 

They wont tell us what went wrong under the hood, but neither Skylake nor Skylake-X nor Haswell-e suffer from the same problem

WOW how absolutely retarded..... I know a lot of CPU's were suppose to get a small performance hit because of the patch Meltdown was it? Does Skylake-X avoid that or no?

 

I really need to upgrade now and don't know what to get, I really don't want to spend $600 on a 9800 or $750 on a 9820 or $1000IWE#@@*$*@ on a 9900x... my 6800k was $359 or something, I really don't want to go with the 9900k, it really seems like what everyone is pushing right now, Micro center has it for $449 and everyone is coming out with new mobo's for it but with only 16 PCIE lanes I find the mainstream platforms kind of a joke... the HEDT is kind of a joke now with minimum entry price of $600 just for the processor and having less performance than the mainstream offering that is $150 less...

 

The answer here would have been and ALMOST was Ryzen, I was waiting to rush out an buy a 3900x and was waiting for over clocking performance and was incredibly disappointed, unlike almost every unlocked Intel processor that can almost always reach it's boost clock on an all core OC or higher the Zen 2 Ryzen chips don't even come anywhere near, 5ghz on 1 core but can't even reach 4.4/.4.5 in all core and you end up hurting your single core performance... I was very disappointed unless the 3700/3800x OC's better or something.

[Jurrunio]

1 minute ago, ScaryFatKidGT said:

Does Skylake-X avoid that or no?

Slight hit just like Skylake, Kaby Lake, Kaby Lake-X, Coffee Lake and Coffee Lake refresh. Big hit will be those on bigger nodes than 14nm. Not sure about Broadwell non-E's situation since they are quite rare.

 

2 minutes ago, ScaryFatKidGT said:

The answer here would have been and ALMOST was Ryzen, I was waiting to rush out an buy a 3900x and was waiting for over clocking performance and was incredibly disappointed, unlike almost every unlocked Intel processor that can almost always reach it's boost clock on an all core OC or higher the Zen 2 Ryzen chips don't even come anywhere near, 5ghz on 1 core but can't even reach 4.4/.4.5 in all core and you end up hurting your single core performance... I was very disappointed unless the 3700x OC's better or something.

Imo Ryzen compensates with IPC. They still only have 20 PCIe lanes though so TR should be your thing if PCIe matters so much

[ScaryFatKidGT]

10 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

Slight hit just like Skylake, Kaby Lake, Kaby Lake-X, Coffee Lake and Coffee Lake refresh. Big hit will be those on bigger nodes than 14nm. Not sure about Broadwell non-E's situation since they are quite rare.

So only Coffee Lake has been released without that issue on a hardware level?

 

10 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

mo Ryzen compensates with IPC. They still only have 20 PCIe lanes though so TR should be your thing if PCIe matters so much

From what I have seen it DOESN'T at least with a 3900X at 4.3ghz which is all they were able to achieve vs a 9900k at 5ghz, even stock the 9900k can boost 2 cores to 5 and the rest higher than the 3900x which can only boost 1 to 5. Like if the 3900x could achieve 4.7-4.8 all core I bet it would win but 4.3 just isn't enough to compete with 5ghz+ on the intel.

 

I haven't looked into it but if there was someway to boost 2 cores to 5ghz and the rest up as high as they will go in descending order like a really advanced OC it might compete as long as it could take the heat.

 

The 3900x's have real 20 pcie lanes right? not like Intels mainstream line with 16+4 on the mobo?

[Princess Luna]

1 hour ago, ScaryFatKidGT said:

Well seriously it's a K series... like wasn't there any other way to fix the security issues

It's frustrating yes, but this is Intel... they put something like 'overclocking' behind a paywall you have to overpay for and later locks it to show you their gigantic middle finger, get an AMD next time.

 

1 minute ago, ScaryFatKidGT said:

So only Coffee Lake has been released without that issue on a hardware level?

Coffee Lake and Coffee Lake Refresh have a lot of hardware level fixes for the past major issues, mainly the Hyper-Threading related ones... Intel is going as far as advising users to disable HT on all architectures Kaby Lake and older as ultimate security measure... another great case of a feature that could be on every chip but it isn't because they need paywalls to increase profits that later disappears.

 

So yeah... again, if you ever fancy the idea of an upgrade from the 6800K, go AMD Ryzen... you say you are disappointed that they don't overclock? why? I find it a great thing you don't need to OC to extract maximum performance of the CPU to begin with, you get to cheap up on motherboard and cooling getting a far better value proposition.

 

The performance is still there either ways, and so much for favoring Intel for "overclocking" when they literally make you pay for it only to remove it afterwards lel

[Jurrunio]

6 minutes ago, ScaryFatKidGT said:

So only Coffee Lake has been released without that issue on a hardware level?

 

6 minutes ago, ScaryFatKidGT said:

From what I have seen it DOESN'T at least with a 3900X at 4.3 which is all they were able to achieve vs a 9900k at 5ghz, even stock the 9900k can boost 2 cores 2 5 and the rest higher than the 3900x which can only boost 1 to 5.

I didn't say "fully compensates" the single core performance since the frequency doesn't go up that high. It does have more cores tho

 

overclocking Ryzen is technically "overclock memory on Ryzen" because that's where you get the most gains.

[ScaryFatKidGT]

3 minutes ago, Princess Luna said:

It's frustrating yes, but this is Intel... they put something like 'overclocking' behind a paywall you have to overpay for and later locks it to show you their gigantic middle finger, get an AMD next time.

 

Coffee Lake and Coffee Lake Refresh have a lot of hardware level fixes for the past major issues, mainly the Hyper-Threading related ones... Intel is going as far as advising users to disable HT on all architectures Kaby Lake and older as ultimate security measure... another great case of a feature that could be on every chip but it isn't because they need paywalls to increase profits that later disappears.

 

So yeah... again, if you ever fancy the idea of an upgrade from the 6800K, go AMD Ryzen... you say you are disappointed that they don't overclock? why? I find it a great thing you don't need to OC to extract maximum performance of the CPU to begin with, you get to cheap up on motherboard and cooling getting a far better value proposition.

 

The performance is still there either ways, and so much for favoring Intel for "overclocking" when they literally make you pay for it only to remove it afterwards lel

A stock 9900k is better than a stock 3900X in basically everything that didn't push past 16 threads, I watching Linus and Jayz2cents content on these, especially with the 9900k able to boost 2 cores to that level.

[ScaryFatKidGT]

3 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

 

I didn't say "fully compensates" the single core performance since the frequency doesn't go up that high. It does have more cores tho

 

overclocking Ryzen is technically "overclock memory on Ryzen" because that's where you get the most gains.

THANK YOU! That chart is very informative... Looks like only Coffee Lake-S? Wonder about regular Coffee Lake? What is Basin falls? Is that SKylake-X 9xx0X chips?

 

Yeah I'm still keeping an eye out on Ryzen 3000 OCing but it just didn't seem to compare to an all core OC on Intel or even to Turbo Boost 3/4/Max whatever numbers.

[Princess Luna]

14 minutes ago, ScaryFatKidGT said:

A stock 9900k is better than a stock 3900X in basically everything that didn't push past 16 threads, I watching Linus and Jayz2cents content on these, especially with the 9900k able to boost 2 cores to that level.

That is wrong but you seem to be loyal to Intel despite they burning you... so I won't argue, good luck with your future build.

[ScaryFatKidGT]

8 minutes ago, Princess Luna said:

That is wrong but if you seem to be loyal to Intel despite they burning you... so I won't argue, good luck with your future build.

Trust me I WANT to go AMD but if you OC a 3900x to 4.3 or even get lucky at 4.4 you are borking your 4.6-4.8ghz single boost core, unless there is a way to OC 1 or 2 cores to 4.8 and have the rest still run at 4.3 I don't see this competing with a 9900k at 5ghz all core or a 9900x at what 4.7/4.9 all core.

 

I have been saying 5ghz but it looks like the 3900x can only hit 4.8... like I said if it could do 4.7ish all core it would compete but at 4.3 all core than not even close to a 9900k all core despite the extra IPC's

 

[Jurrunio]

19 minutes ago, ScaryFatKidGT said:

THANK YOU! That chart is very informative... Looks like only Coffee Lake-S? Wonder about regular Coffee Lake? What is Basin falls? Is that SKylake-X 9xx0X chips?

 

Yeah I'm still keeping an eye out on Ryzen 3000 OCing but it just didn't seem to compare to an all core OC on Intel or even to Turbo Boost 3/4/Max whatever numbers.

Coffee Lake is the same as Coffee Lake Refresh I think. Basin falls is Skylake-X (7000) while basin falls refresh is Skylake-X refresh (9000)

 

Ryzen's still a bit about pricing and core count, but they are close enough that I'm willing to ignore the minor single thread disadvantage to Intel and give Ryzen praise for the rest of them. On the good side of the next to non-existent overclocking headroom, there's no need to get a cooler better than what's in the box.

[ScaryFatKidGT]

I'm looking into Ryzen OCing and I guess there is PBO and AOC which is where I am getting confused on the clocks. It still has 4 more cores but it doesn't seem like a 3900x will even clock more than one core over 4.3.