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Hi guys, serious question time:


I have the i7 5930K on Intel's X99 platform and I'm thinking about upgrading whole rig to 3900X + X570. This would cost me about 2700€ (CPU + MOBO + RAM + 4.0 SSD + water cooling upgrade) or I could just grab a i7 6950X (10c/20t OC about 4.2-4.4 GHz on all cores) for something like 500€. On paper Ryzen 9 is (much) better but I'm not sure if is it better enough to justify the difference in price.

 

What would you do?

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3 minutes ago, Dudi4PoLFr said:

i7 6950X (10c/20t OC about 4.2-4.4 GHz on all cores)

Until they broke it with microcode updates. No overclock for Broadwell-E

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: HP EX920 1TB PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + Crucial MX500 1TB 2.5" SATA SSD, 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally, 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172) left outside Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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For what use?

HAL9000: AMD Ryzen 9 3900x | Noctua NH-D15 chromax.black | 32 GB Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 3200 MHz | Asus X570 Prime Pro | ASUS TUF 3080 Ti | 1 TB Samsung 970 Evo Plus + 1 TB Crucial MX500 + 6 TB WD RED | Corsair HX1000 | be quiet Pure Base 500DX | LG 34UM95 34" 3440x1440

Hydrogen server: Intel i3-10100 | Cryorig M9i | 64 GB Crucial Ballistix 3200MHz DDR4 | Gigabyte B560M-DS3H | 33 TB of storage | Fractal Design Define R5 | unRAID 6.9.2

Carbon server: Fujitsu PRIMERGY RX100 S7p | Xeon E3-1230 v2 | 16 GB DDR3 ECC | 60 GB Corsair SSD & 250 GB Samsung 850 Pro | Intel i340-T4 | ESXi 6.5.1

Big Mac cluster: 2x Raspberry Pi 2 Model B | 1x Raspberry Pi 3 Model B | 2x Raspberry Pi 3 Model B+

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13 minutes ago, Dudi4PoLFr said:

This would cost me about 2700€ (CPU + MOBO + RAM + 4.0 SSD + water cooling upgrade

Why do you need to get all of this?

 

Im guessing custom watercooling, but cant you get a waterblock for AM4 And reuse the rest of the look?

 

CPU, Mobo and Ram is only like 750-800 + Ram config. 

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5 minutes ago, Dudi4PoLFr said:

They still didn't fix this bug from last year??

Fixed, but then broken again with no ETA of a fix.

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: HP EX920 1TB PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + Crucial MX500 1TB 2.5" SATA SSD, 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally, 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172) left outside Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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Neither. Stick with what you have. Upgrade to Ryzen 9 when you know you need it.

Gaming system: R7 7800X3D, Asus ROG Strix B650E-F Gaming Wifi, Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SE ARGB, Corsair Vengeance 2x 32GB 6000C30, MSI Ventus 3x OC RTX 5070 Ti, MSI MPG A850G, Fractal Design North, Samsung 990 Pro 2TB, Alienware AW3225QF (32" 240 Hz OLED)
Productivity system: i9-7980XE, Asus X299 TUF mark 2, Noctua D15, 64GB ram (mixed), RTX 4070 FE, NZXT E850, GameMax Abyss, Samsung 980 Pro 2TB, iiyama ProLite XU2793QSU-B6 (27" 1440p 100 Hz)
Gaming laptop: Lenovo Legion 5, 5800H, RTX 3070, Kingston DDR4 3200C22 2x16GB 2Rx8, Kingston Fury Renegade 1TB + Crucial P1 1TB SSD, 165 Hz IPS 1080p G-Sync Compatible

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1 minute ago, GoldenLag said:

Why do you need to get all of this?

 

Im guessing custom watercooling, but cant you get a waterblock for AM4 And reuse the rest of the look?

 

CPU, Mobo and Ram is only like 750-800 + Ram config. 

 

CPU alone is 580-600€ and I will not buy a lower tier X570 mobo.

I need to change the ram because right now I have 8*8GB so I need to buy a 4*16 kit to keep  64GB.

Yes I'm running a custom loop but with the switch/upgrade I will do a small modification to my CPU loop the price is included in both values.

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3 minutes ago, Dudi4PoLFr said:

CPU alone is 580-600€ and I will not buy a lower tier X570 mobo.

You get top tier boards for like 250-300€....

1 minute ago, Dudi4PoLFr said:

Well this is the thing I need more CPU horsepower because my 5930K is running at 90-100% which slows me down quite a bit.

Not able to hold on for 2 years untill intel 10/7nm and AM5?

 

Tho honestly, getting into a new plattform isnt a bad idea instead of sinking more into your current one.

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11 minutes ago, Dudi4PoLFr said:

Well the 5960X for 300€ or less is still a valid option.

For only 33% more core count, and hence 0% gain in single thread and 33% gain in multithread work? Not really. See how the 9900k beat the 5960X? The 3900X is about that level if not higher. If you want to be cheaper, you could wait for the 16 core 3950X to take away 3900X's flagship status and buy the 12 core then, or pick up one that's used for not very long.

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: HP EX920 1TB PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + Crucial MX500 1TB 2.5" SATA SSD, 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally, 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172) left outside Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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28 minutes ago, Dudi4PoLFr said:

Well this is the thing I need more CPU horsepower because my 5930K is running at 90-100% which slows me down quite a bit.

Ok, still a difficult choice since if you go for the CPU only upgrade, everything will work as it is now with minimal effort, but I'm not sure on the value of that route in performance terms. Are there any similar Xeons that could be a possibility too? No OC in that case, but but another option.

 

Clean start to current Ryzen would be a more obvious jump with some potential upgrade path. It doesn't sound like the stuff you do is that demanding so it would probably suffice, but also consider waiting a little to see what they do with Zen 2 Threadrippers. Personally I wouldn't consider AMD CPUs before Zen 2 today.

Gaming system: R7 7800X3D, Asus ROG Strix B650E-F Gaming Wifi, Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SE ARGB, Corsair Vengeance 2x 32GB 6000C30, MSI Ventus 3x OC RTX 5070 Ti, MSI MPG A850G, Fractal Design North, Samsung 990 Pro 2TB, Alienware AW3225QF (32" 240 Hz OLED)
Productivity system: i9-7980XE, Asus X299 TUF mark 2, Noctua D15, 64GB ram (mixed), RTX 4070 FE, NZXT E850, GameMax Abyss, Samsung 980 Pro 2TB, iiyama ProLite XU2793QSU-B6 (27" 1440p 100 Hz)
Gaming laptop: Lenovo Legion 5, 5800H, RTX 3070, Kingston DDR4 3200C22 2x16GB 2Rx8, Kingston Fury Renegade 1TB + Crucial P1 1TB SSD, 165 Hz IPS 1080p G-Sync Compatible

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28 minutes ago, porina said:

Ok, still a difficult choice since if you go for the CPU only upgrade, everything will work as it is now with minimal effort, but I'm not sure on the value of that route in performance terms. Are there any similar Xeons that could be a possibility too? No OC in that case, but but another option.

 

Clean start to current Ryzen would be a more obvious jump with some potential upgrade path. It doesn't sound like the stuff you do is that demanding so it would probably suffice, but also consider waiting a little to see what they do with Zen 2 Threadrippers. Personally I wouldn't consider AMD CPUs before Zen 2 today.

Well I will get better performance now so I can wait for the next gen Intel/AMD in 2020. Also AI training even if it's running of the GPU is still heavily depending on the CPU.

 

Also yes, TR3 is a option but there are no news/leaks about it so far. It might comme in Q3 this year as well as next year.

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On 7/14/2019 at 3:05 AM, Dudi4PoLFr said:

Well I will get better performance now so I can wait for the next gen Intel/AMD in 2020. Also AI training even if it's running of the GPU is still heavily depending on the CPU.

 

Also yes, TR3 is a option but there are no news/leaks about it so far. It might comme in Q3 this year as well as next year.

I think tr3 is coming in september. or it's epyc. you said you will be changing your 8x8gb ram? Tell me the specs and I might buy it :D
 

something else you could consider though is 2nd gen TR, just a mobo and cpu and recycle the ram.

 

still be a great upgrade and if price is an issue you can either get a low bined cpu or just 2nd hand one. this option will be even better if the platform is compatible with 3rd gen TR as you can just swap out a cpu later

 

 

also you might be able to trade your ram for a 4x16gb kit as well fyi.

 

 

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