AMD GPU, is it really faulty as people say?

[AznDrummer]

I've recently setup a new computer with Ryzen 7 2700x and a low-end RX570 ('cause I don't really play games and wasn't intending on playing games), RAM is by Crucial Ballstix DDR4 3000 16GB... and here's the list of potential issues; but first the issue is as follows : 1) Computer freezes after some moderate to heavy use such as LoL or Premiere Pro, the freeze occurs for few seconds and up to few minutes at times 2) I've previously had my computer reboot in the middle of playing LoL (but the issue no longer happens after I updated the BIOS for MoBo and drivers for all the components.)

Okay, now here's what my list of suspects look like:

1) SSD is taken from my previous comp. which is now 4 yrs old (it was refreshed when I transferred) and considering it's somewhat old it could be SSD failure

2) It could be the PSU as it too is from the previous comp. with similar aging with non-name brand (meaning not the usual brand that is considered 'safe bet') mfg, so it could be the PSU starting to fail and not keep a steady flow of power

3) It could be that GPU is just stupidly over working itself since it is indeed a low-end card... but c'mon it's LoL running in low-medium settings. I was suspecting bottlenecking since the cpu benchmarking gave nowhere near result to what others post as is.

4) It... may be the CPU really just being faulty?? (bad luck??)

 

I've come to these possible causes after tracking GPU, CPU temp & power stability, RAM check, and viewing the history of the logs which PC keeps as it faces issues (SSD failure seemed to have been seen quite often), and as I've said above the drivers and BIOS are updated to the latest settings.

 

I've ordered new SSD from Samsung to try and resolve the storage issue for starters, but I would like additional thoughts (guru knowledge from those of you having dipped your feet in this area for a long time, and tips). Is AMD really that bad? I've read up from forum after forum that AMD has issues in regards to Drivers for the GPU... I wonder if Linus ever came across such issues with AMD components. :/

 

*My friend who built a new comp. with Ryzen 7 2700x and Vega 64, Intel SSD, Corsair Vengeance 16GB RAM, with MSI Tomahawk MoBo (new 650W PSU from Rosewill, reviews were good, people didn't report to the model being faulty) faced the same issue just few days ago*

             Could it be that AMD driver really is faulty?? Is his system just underpowered? Does bottlenecking cause such issues in the first place??

 

*if there are info needed to better understand and diagnose my situation, let me know please. Thanks*

[Firewrath9]

my gpu is fine...

idk

never had any issues, just some overclocking crashes

[AznDrummer]

thanks for the info :) helps trim down on likely culprit of the issue for me and my friend.

[Fasauceome]

@Stefan Payne 

[SupaKomputa]

Currently using amd card. No problem.

Back when i used gtx it also has some problems like wonky hardware accelerations and choppy timeline scrubbing.

The problem forced me to use cpu  for like 2 months until a driver update somehow make it go away.

[Stefan Payne]

2 hours ago, AznDrummer said:

4) It... may be the CPU really just being faulty?? (bad luck??)

No, probably not.

But everything else could be as CPUs are usually really light. So if you play soccer with them, they still should survive. I once threw a CPU against the wall and it still worked after that.

I doubt that will be the case with Graphics Cards, Motherboards or other things.

 

BUT: Freezes, especially at medium load, could be PSU Issues, although, that:

2 hours ago, AznDrummer said:

) Computer freezes after some moderate to heavy use such as LoL or Premiere Pro, the freeze occurs for few seconds and up to few minutes at times

Sounds like a Drive Issue...

That's how a system behaves when you have an HDD with bad sectors (or other similar things such as bad cable, incompatibility).

2 hours ago, AznDrummer said:

2) I've previously had my computer reboot in the middle of playing LoL (but the issue no longer happens after I updated the BIOS for MoBo and drivers for all the components.)

Memory Issue...

Now with the updated BIOS the Timing and other stuff is fixed, so the Memory works fine.

That is why you should update the BIOS of a Motherboard even before you fire up windows, as soon as it boots...

 

2 hours ago, AznDrummer said:

1) SSD is taken from my previous comp. which is now 4 yrs old (it was refreshed when I transferred) and considering it's somewhat old it could be SSD failure

Yep, I think that as well...

And I even had an SSD die on me and it happened that the Board also died...

So could be that the SSD took out the Motherboard, could be the Motherboard took out the SSD. Don't know...

 

2 hours ago, AznDrummer said:

It could be the PSU as it too is from the previous comp. with similar aging with non-name brand (meaning not the usual brand that is considered 'safe bet') mfg, so it could be the PSU starting to fail and not keep a steady flow of power

urgh, that's bad. Really really bad.

What do you mean with NoName Brand??

But with that System, a low quality 0W (in spec) PSU could cause all kinds of trouble...

 

2 hours ago, AznDrummer said:

3) It could be that GPU is just stupidly over working itself since it is indeed a low-end card... but c'mon it's LoL running in low-medium settings. I was suspecting bottlenecking since the cpu benchmarking gave nowhere near result to what others post as is.

Well, to be fair, that doesn't sound like a GPU Failure, that sounds like a PSU Problem.

Because the way modern PSU work, the stress for the PSU can be higher at medium loads than higher loads as they change the frequency regularly. With AMD, press CTRL-SHIFT-O and you see what I mean. The GPU Frequency might jump all over the place. And that causes consumption spikes, wich your low quality PSU don't like, so voltage drops and once it drops enough, the System reboots.

 

2 hours ago, AznDrummer said:

Is AMD really that bad?

If you got good quality components, a decent Board and also a good quality PSU, there is no difference whatsoever between the company.

As for GPU Drivers: They are all equally crap.

 

2 hours ago, AznDrummer said:

*My friend who built a new comp. with Ryzen 7 2700x and Vega 64, Intel SSD, Corsair Vengeance 16GB RAM, with MSI Tomahawk MoBo (new 650W PSU from Rosewill, reviews were good, people didn't report to the model being faulty) faced the same issue just few days ago*

What 650W Rosewill?

This one?

https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16817182299?Description=Rosewill 650W&cm_re=Rosewill_650W-_-17-182-299-_-Product

 

With him, the PSU is a likely candidate, but also a defective component (Memory, Motherboard, GPU) could be the issue.

 

I'd start with checking what BIOS Version is installed and if the newest one fixes that.

[AznDrummer]

@Stefan Payne damn, thanks for the detailed input. and as for my friend, his PSU was this: https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16817182263
I tried calculating his build and PSU Watt demand using the CoolerMaster website... and it came out around 700-750W... so as you said, it could be his PSU not keeping up with the demands of the components.

[xg32]

AMD GPUs are about as faulty as nvidia gpus.

 

The Sapphire 3870s back in the days were literally a dumpster fire.

 

GTX 480s and 580s remain some of the hottest cards to date imo.

 

GTX 970 (very popular at the time) was actually gimped and the amount of coil whine was unacceptable

 

RTX series shipped with a batch of faulty Micron ram that made it even onto the 2080 ti. (it's likely Micron rushed gddr6 and nvidia just took what they had). This one is relatable to the PS3 launch, there were problems that wasn't intentional and they fixed it.

 

Gigabyte Vega 56 has hilarious failure rates, newegg even had deep sales to get rid of them knowing they were bricks (check the reviews)

 

I'm not biased toward either side, but i used to sell consumer electronics way back in the days, the QC in a mass produced product in general is garbage (early Samsung LCD TVs and most of the current Asus products) . There are risks involved and the best you can ask for is that sellers give u something that's up to specs with no known flaws. Get something with a warranty that's tested. (nvidia's lucky they have evga)

[Stefan Payne]

9 minutes ago, AznDrummer said:

@Stefan Payne damn, thanks for the detailed input. and as for my friend, his PSU was this: https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16817182263

Ah, OK, that doesn't look too bad and should work...

But can be that the Capstone isn't that great for VEGA and causes trouble.

9 minutes ago, AznDrummer said:

I tried calculating his build and PSU Watt demand using the CoolerMaster website... and it came out around 700-750W...

Well, I have a similar Build than him (should have mentioned it ;))
And its a Ryzen 1700x on either an MSI B450I or ASUS X370-F Strix with a Sapphire Nitro+ VEGA 64. And I'm using it with a 550W Chieftec CSN-550C (wich has a shitty fan controller, if that would be fixed it would be a decent PSU) 

 

And that website used (Outervision) I intensively dislike because its overestimating so much...

9 minutes ago, AznDrummer said:

so as you said, it could be his PSU not keeping up with the demands of the components.

NO, the wattage is more than sufficient...

Either Memory Problem or something else. But its NOT normal.

I don't have any reboots, shutdowns or other stuff - except when I'm messing around and overclock or other stuff...

[AznDrummer]

Update on the Issue:

 

For my computer

1) I've replaced and Clean installed WIndows OS onto a new SSD using new PSU, and the problem is all fixed.

 - So glad it wasn't the gpu issue, it would have been so bothersome trying to convince MSI that gpu was bad and I've tried all the suggested solutions and what not...

 - ADDITIONALLY!!! I've come to understand the importance of using the cables the manufacturers send with their products... XD my HDD and M.2 SATA III SSD were greatly affected by the difference in SATA cables used.

 

For my friend's computer

1) He borrowed another GPU from a friend and his computer was completely normal. As I have no issues with drivers for AMD GPU, we've come to conclude that the hardware is the issue... so he's gotten a replacement from the manufacturer. It's all good now.

 

 

Thanks everyone for the insightful info and help.