Intel 10th series socket?

[Noah0302]

So I wondered if Intel is going to reuse their 1151 socket yet again for their 10th series desktop processors (i7 or i9).

I'd guess that they will change the socket since the current one is already 4 years old, but I could not find reliable information about it.

 

I wonder about the socket because I want to upgrade my CPU, the question is if I should wait for the 10th gen with the rist ok Intel using a new socket or at the very least until Zen 2 is released and hope for a price drop of the 9900k.

Upgrading to a 9900k right now would be the easiest option since I already have a motherboard that can handle it (Maximus Hero X), but I'd be really pissed if the 10th gen releases on the same socket.

 

So does anybody know further information about Intels 10th gen other than the suspected release date?

[LukeSavenije]

well, knowing intel it won't

 

6, 7 - switch to new socket

4, 5 - switch to new socket

2, 3 - switch to new socket

 

you understand where I'm going with this?

 

and I'm not that sure how good a maximus x hero will handle a well overclocked i9...

[Noah0302]

3 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said:

well, knowing intel it won't

 

6, 7 - switch to new socket

4, 5 - switch to new socket

2, 3 - switch to new socket

 

you understand where I'm going with this?

 

and I'm not that sure how good a maximus x hero will handle a well overclocked i9...

Well if this video is anything to go by the Hero X should handle the 9900k just fine. I also read some forum posts that it should work ok, at least good enough to not waste another 250€+ on the Hero XI.

[Bananasplit_00]

might be the same socket but with an arbetrary limitation to sell more mobos again

[LukeSavenije]

2 minutes ago, Noah0302 said:

Well if this video is anything to go by the Hero X should handle the 9900k just fine. I also read some forum posts that it should work ok, at least good enough to not waste another 250€+ on the Hero XI.

I've seen some people having their 9900k throttle on a xi hero, that's why

 

so wasting 250 dollars on the xi would be literally money wasting. I'd test it and see how it goes, if it doesn't go well, you should rather get a gigabyte z390

 

and don't forget to update your bios

[Noah0302]

1 minute ago, LukeSavenije said:

I've seen some people having their 9900k throttle on a xi hero, that's why

 

so wasting 250 dollars on the xi would be literally money wasting. I'd test it and see how it goes, if it doesn't go well, you should rather get a gigabyte z390

 

and don't forget to update your bios

BIOS is already updated!

 

Yeah I'll probably wait for Zen 2 and hope that the price drops and test if it works as expected.

[GoldenLag]

36 minutes ago, Noah0302 said:

10th series desktop processors (i7 or i9).

i dont see the appeal of 10th series. 

 

its another coffelake refresh. this time with 10 core for that extra thermal and powerthrottling experience. 

[boey]

1 hour ago, Noah0302 said:

So I wondered if Intel is going to reuse their 1151 socket yet again for their 10th series desktop processors (i7 or i9).

I'd guess that they will change the socket since the current one is already 4 years old, but I could not find reliable information about it.

 

I wonder about the socket because I want to upgrade my CPU, the question is if I should wait for the 10th gen with the rist ok Intel using a new socket or at the very least until Zen 2 is released and hope for a price drop of the 9900k.

Upgrading to a 9900k right now would be the easiest option since I already have a motherboard that can handle it (Maximus Hero X), but I'd be really pissed if the 10th gen releases on the same socket.

 

So does anybody know further information about Intels 10th gen other than the suspected release date?

10th gen would probably be some coffee lake refresh made to lessen the damage AMD does to Intel's market share with the release of Ryzen 3000(and according to some leaks, Ryzen 4000 should come out before Intel's 10nm). Intel confirmed their low power 10nm notebook chips should be available by End of 2019, so we should be seeing desktop sometime late next year. There was also a roadmap I saw which went all the way to Q4 2020 and didn't say anything about 10nm desktop parts, but mentions 10nm xeon, laptop, notebook etc.

 

If I were you I'd wait for Ryzen 3000, but I doubt 9900k would drop in price significantly when that happens.

[GoldenLag]

5 minutes ago, _d0nut said:

but I doubt 9900k would drop in price significantly when that happens.

intel never drops in price. 

 

they are not as bad as Nvidia whn it comes to changing price, but they dont do it in response to AMD. they just dont sadly. 

[dgsddfgdfhgs]

1 hour ago, Noah0302 said:

So I wondered if Intel is going to reuse their 1151 socket yet again for their 10th series desktop processors (i7 or i9).

socket is meaningless for intel, 

even for 6th to 8th gen using same socket, intel will official claim it is not supported.

have to wait for hackers to their work...

[Mister Woof]

5 hours ago, Bananasplit_00 said:

might be the same socket but with an arbetrary limitation to sell more mobos again

Part of it is consumers are dumb, and they want to make sure you aren't stuck in a situation where you have an older motherboard that won't boot without a BIOS update (Zen+ on B350 bootkit situation) and and old chip.

 

Making them just need a new Mobo and telling you right off the bat helps to reduce confusion.

 

 

[PianoPlayer88Key]

It used to be that Intel switched sockets AFTER a node shrink, sometimes MULTIPLE shrinks.

 

Socket 7: 600 nm -> 350 nm

Slot 1: 350 nm -> 250 nm

Socket 370: 250 nm -> 180 nm -> 130 nm

Socket 423: 180 nm (this was a short-lived socket)

Socket 478: 180 nm -> 130 nm -> 90 nm

(My information gleaned from Wikipedia is a bit more sparse on the older sockets.)

LGA 775: 130 nm -> 90 nm -> 65 nm -> 45 nm

LGA 1156: 45 nm -> 32 nm (also LGA 1366, wish they hadn't split  the sockets like that. In my future build in 2021-2022 I want a board that I can put a $2K+ Xeon, i9, Threadripper, Epyc or whatever into the same socket that I could put a <$50 Celeron or Athlon.  And yes, Intel and AMD in the same socket - it used to be the norm in the 1990s, for example Socket 7.)

LGA 1155: 32 nm -> 22 nm (also LGA 2011)

LGA 1150: 22 nm -> 14 nm (also LGA 2011 v3; 14nm on 1150 only had 2 CPUs AFAIK - i7-5775C and i5-5675C)

LGA 1151: 14 nm

LGA 1151 (v2): 14 nm (?!?)

 

I have a 1st-gen LGA 1151 socket in my Clevo laptop, currently populated with an i7-6700K.  I still expect to be able to drop-in upgrade to a 10 nm (or 7 nm if Intel skips to that) desktop CPU whenever those come out.

 

 

On 4/29/2019 at 2:09 AM, GoldenLag said:

intel never drops in price. 

 

they are not as bad as Nvidia whn it comes to changing price, but they dont do it in response to AMD. they just dont sadly. 

 

Really? What about the Q6600?

 

[GoldenLag]

19 minutes ago, PianoPlayer88Key said:

Really? What about the Q6600?

ill be damned. ill correct it to be: "Dont expect companies to drop products in price if they have a large enough market share"

[PianoPlayer88Key]

22 hours ago, GoldenLag said:

ill be damned. ill correct it to be: "Dont expect companies to drop products in price if they have a large enough market share"

Speaking of "large.... market share", I'm pretty sure we would never see this actually happen ... but what if ...

Intel was to be suddenly punished with literally ZERO revenue (they wouldn't even have to file taxes) until AMD and at least 2 or 3 other manufacturers had completely caught up to Intel's lifetime market share, units sold, revenue, etc.?  Then once the underdogs have all caught up, see to it that no one company has a larger market share than the lesser of 25%, or 100% divided by number-of-companies-minus-one?   (I've read somewhere quite a while ago that in China, what they use for the equivalent of the Google Play store, there's multiple companies competing such that the largest one has less than a 25% market share.)

 

EDIT: Also @GoldenLag I forgot about the NVidia GTX 200 series.  Compare the GTX 260 and 280, vs the GTX 275, 285 and 295.  Also I came across some articles that mentioned significant price cuts on the 280.  (280 launched at $649, 285 at $359 I think.)

Oh, if AMD could beat their own mid 2000s performance...