Am I dumb, or did I get a lemon?

[TempestCatto]

Hello there! I just built myself a new PC and can't seem to get my RAM to run at it's rated 3600mhz. To be honest, I didn't think I would be able to run it out of the box like that, but I thought I could at least get it with some tweaking. But alas, I can't seem to get it running at anything over 3200mhz. I test it using Memtest and get loads of errors on the first pass of test 7 if I go above 3200mhz. So am I just dumb, and not tweaking right? Or should I RMA it? (if it matters, I'm running Windows 10 LTSB). Thank you!

 

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD - Ryzen 7 2700X 3.7 GHz 8-Core Processor	$294.89 @ OutletPC
CPU Cooler	Corsair - H150i PRO 47.3 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler	$164.90 @ OutletPC
Motherboard	ASRock - X470 Taichi Ultimate ATX AM4 Motherboard	$239.99 @ Newegg
Memory	G.Skill - Trident Z 32 GB (4 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory	$350.98 @ Newegg
Storage	Samsung - 960 PRO 512 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive	$193.00 @ Amazon
Video Card	Sapphire - Radeon VII 16 GB Video Card	$699.99 @ Amazon
Power Supply	Corsair - RMx 1000 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply	$155.89 @ OutletPC
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total (before mail-in rebates)	$2139.64
	Mail-in rebates	-$40.00
	Total	$2099.64
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-04-19 13:26 EDT-0400

 

[Oalei]

1 minute ago, TempestCatto said:

Hello there! I just built myself a new PC and can't seem to get my RAM to run at it's rated 3600mhz. To be honest, I didn't think I would be able to run it out of the box like that, but I thought I could at least get it with some tweaking. But alas, I can't seem to get it running at anything over 3200mhz. I test it using Memtest and get loads of errors on the first pass of test 7 if I go above 3200mhz. So am I just dumb, and not tweaking right? Or should I RMA it? (if it matters, I'm running Windows 10 LTSB). Thank you!

 

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD - Ryzen 7 2700X 3.7 GHz 8-Core Processor	$294.89 @ OutletPC
CPU Cooler	Corsair - H150i PRO 47.3 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler	$164.90 @ OutletPC
Motherboard	ASRock - X470 Taichi Ultimate ATX AM4 Motherboard	$239.99 @ Newegg
Memory	G.Skill - Trident Z 32 GB (4 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory	$350.98 @ Newegg
Storage	Samsung - 960 PRO 512 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive	$193.00 @ Amazon
Video Card	Sapphire - Radeon VII 16 GB Video Card	$699.99 @ Amazon
Power Supply	Corsair - RMx 1000 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply	$155.89 @ OutletPC
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total (before mail-in rebates)	$2139.64
	Mail-in rebates	-$40.00
	Total	$2099.64
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-04-19 13:26 EDT-0400

 

Well does your mobo support it? 

[LukeSavenije]

5 minutes ago, Oalei said:

Well does your mobo support it? 

taichi should do it with ease...

 

up the voltage to 1.35 manually, any changes?

[TempestCatto]

4 minutes ago, Oalei said:

Well does your mobo support it? 

It supports upto 3466mhz, but I can't even get it up to there without loads of errors flying everywhere. It's stuck at 3200mhz otherwise. I would like to use the 10gbe for a future NAS, but I'm wondering if I should just replace the motherboard for something better.

[TempestCatto]

11 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said:

taichi should do it with ease...

 

up the voltage to 1.35 manually, any changes?

I tried that, along with following many different guides specific for either the board or the Trident Z line of memory. Though nothing worked for me.

[nick name]

Well running 4x8GB is always going to be more difficult and especially difficult if trying to reach higher speeds.  Have you tried the DRAM Calculator for Ryzen yet?

 

https://www.overclock.net/forum/13-amd-general/1640919-dram-calculator-ryzena-1-4-0-1-overclocking-dram-am4-307.html

 

Also, I couldn't get my 2x8GB 3600MHz kit to run at 1.35V and had to go up to 1.37V for DOCP.  You may wanna push 1.4V (won't hurt anything) on DRAM and 1.1V on SOC with whatever your DOCP settings are.  

[jiyeon]

17 minutes ago, TempestCatto said:

G.Skill - Trident Z 32 GB (4 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory

I've had the same issue where my 4x4GB kit of Patriot Viper 4 which is rated for 3000 refused to run at that speed for my brother's Ryzen 2200G machine.

 

I was informed that running 4 sticks of RAM is difficult to run at high speeds, and so I had to settle for 2933MHz at 1.35V.

 

You could probably up the voltage slightly in this case if you want those high speeds.

[nick name]

If you really wanna shoot for the higher speed you might do better with with a 2x16GB kit.  It removes some of the motherboard RAM topology out of the equation.  

[Dedayog]

Just now, seoz said:

I've had the same issue where my 4x4GB kit of Patriot Viper 4 which is rated for 3000 refused to run at that speed for my brother's Ryzen 2200G machine.

 

I was informed that running 4 sticks of RAM is difficult to run at high speeds, and so I had to settle for 2933MHz at 1.35V.

 

You could probably up the voltage slightly in this case if you want those high speeds.

Is this a Ryzen issue?  I've got 4x8GB running at 3200 without issue at all.

[jiyeon]

1 minute ago, jstudrawa said:

Is this a Ryzen issue?  I've got 4x8GB running at 3200 without issue at all.

Not sure for certain.

 

I have a 4x4GB kit of Corsair Vengeance running at 3000MHz on my own PC with an i5-8600K.

[.Apex.]

22 minutes ago, TempestCatto said:

Hello there! I just built myself a new PC and can't seem to get my RAM to run at it's rated 3600mhz. To be honest, I didn't think I would be able to run it out of the box like that, but I thought I could at least get it with some tweaking. But alas, I can't seem to get it running at anything over 3200mhz. I test it using Memtest and get loads of errors on the first pass of test 7 if I go above 3200mhz. So am I just dumb, and not tweaking right? Or should I RMA it? (if it matters, I'm running Windows 10 LTSB). Thank you!

I don't think you can achieve 3600Mhz on Ryzen, Buildzoid maxed out at 3466Mhz(with difficulty) on Ryzen, he couldn't get anything above that to work

[Origami Cactus]

I also have a 4x8gb 3600mhz ddr4, but because i have a ryzen 1700, i can only run it at 2933mhz fully stable, and that is at 1.36v.

If you have 2x8gb you can run it at higher speed, but yeah. I hope ryzen 3000 fixes the memory issues for good.

[nick name]

Just now, _Syn_ said:

I don't think you can achieve 3600Mhz on Ryzen, Buildzoid maxed out at 3466Mhz(with difficulty) on Ryzen, he couldn't get anything above that to work

You can absolutely get 3600MHz on Ryzen.  Getting it on larger capacity RAM kits and especially a 4xanything kit will be harder.  

[Dedayog]

Just now, nick name said:

You can absolutely get 3600MHz on Ryzen.  Getting it on larger capacity RAM kits and especially a 4xanything kit will be harder.  

I see you have a bit better RAM than most use, is that B-die?  Could be the reason you're running what you are.

[nick name]

6 minutes ago, jstudrawa said:

Is this a Ryzen issue?  I've got 4x8GB running at 3200 without issue at all.

And it is a Ryzen issue.  AMD locks down some RAM things that Intel doesn't so mobo manufacturers can't optimize for AMD as they can for Intel.  

[TempestCatto]

Interesting info from all of you. I do wonder if the next gen Ryzen would fix these issues as well. Should I hold out for that or trade in my RAM for something different? I wanted to stick with B-Die RAM and 32GB as well (and no RGB).

Just now, jstudrawa said:

I see you have a bit better RAM than most use, is that B-die?  Could be the reason you're running what you are.

Yes, it's B-Die. Isn't B-Die supposed to be higher tier though?

[Velcade]

According to the memory QVL it isn't supported.

https://www.asrock.com/MB/AMD/X470 Taichi Ultimate/index.asp#MemoryPR

[nick name]

2 minutes ago, TempestCatto said:

Interesting info from all of you. I do wonder if the next gen Ryzen would fix these issues as well. Should I hold out for that or trade in my RAM for something different? I wanted to stick with B-Die RAM and 32GB as well (and no RGB).

Yes, it's B-Die. Isn't B-Die supposed to be higher tier though?

Samsung b-die is arguably the best, but there are lower binned b-die kits.  Hynix CJR can clock pretty high, but with looser timings.  

 

If you're gonna switch kits then go with a 2x16GB kit as I mentioned above.  

 

And have you tried the DRAM Calculator I linked to above?

[GabeThePCHelper]

Ryzen is very very picky on their ram, certain brands, and then certain speeds.

[Turtle Rig]

7 minutes ago, GabeThePCHelper said:

Ryzen is very very picky on their ram, certain brands, and then certain speeds.

From my research on Ryzen and RAM you can push it to 4000Mhz and beyond granted you loosen the timings and raise the voltage to 1.4v

[Zando_]

13 minutes ago, GabeThePCHelper said:

Ryzen is very very picky on their ram, certain brands, and then certain speeds.

1st gen Ryzen is, second gen is much better. Can occasionally be picky but it's not really any worse than Intel unless you're doing extreme RAM OCing. 

[TempestCatto]

31 minutes ago, Velcade said:

According to the memory QVL it isn't supported.

https://www.asrock.com/MB/AMD/X470 Taichi Ultimate/index.asp#MemoryPR

QVL's are just a suggestion. Merely what the manufacturer takes the time to test themselves. Per this list, my RAM shouldn't work period (yet it does).

30 minutes ago, nick name said:

Samsung b-die is arguably the best, but there are lower binned b-die kits.  Hynix CJR can clock pretty high, but with looser timings.  

 

If you're gonna switch kits then go with a 2x16GB kit as I mentioned above.  

 

And have you tried the DRAM Calculator I linked to above?

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA4YU59N1251

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820232740

The problem with these two kits are the timings. I don't think they'll be any better than what I run now. I fear I may be stuck.

 

I did "try" it. I have no idea what I'm doing.

[nick name]

5 minutes ago, Turtle Rig said:

From my research on Ryzen and RAM you can push it to 4000Mhz and beyond granted you loosen the timings and raise the voltage to 1.4v

This isn't helpful.  I've seen 1 person on here say they had their kit that high and stable, but they never responded when asked for more information so I can't really confirm.   Beyond that I have seen very very few people with very expensive kits boot with 4000MHz, but never stable.  

 

Some folks are able to run high speeds on boards with 2 RAM slots, but I haven't seen anyone really go above 3600MHz on ATX boards.  Almost all of the high speed folks are also running expensive 4000+MHz kits and topping out at 3666MHz ~ 3733MHz with stability.  Hynix CJR has been seen at 3800MHz and stable with looser timings.  

 

And that voltage sounds like a number pulled from thin air.  

[Turtle Rig]

2 minutes ago, nick name said:

This isn't helpful.  I've seen 1 person on here say they had their kit that high and stable, but they never responded when asked for more information so I can't really confirm.   Beyond that I have seen very very few people with very expensive kits boot with 4000MHz, but never stable.  

 

Some folks are able to run high speeds on boards with 2 RAM slots, but I haven't seen anyone really go above 3600MHz on ATX boards.  Almost all of the high speed folks are also running expensive 4000+MHz kits and topping out at 3666MHz ~ 3733MHz with stability.  Hynix CJR has been seen at 3800MHz and stable with looser timings.  

 

And that voltage sounds like a number pulled from thin air.  

Sorry nick name I didn't know this about the RAM not being stable.  Thanks for your post.  Will we see this sorted out with Zen 2 ?

[Velcade]

2 minutes ago, TempestCatto said:

Merely what the manufacturer takes the time to test themselves

Right... so if you choose RAM that has been tested by the manufacturer you don't run into the issues you're having.