Ryzen and high fps

[Newbie390]

Hello there

I read somewhere around here that Ryzen is good and all but it's not the best when you want to play at higher frame rates (144hz) and that intel is better for that.

My question is why is that? In paper Ryzen should perform better but I heard it doesn't, why? or is it just fake news?

[GoldenLag]

intel has hon average higher clockspeeds with their CPUs. 

 

Ryzen works just fine on up to 144hz gaming. its exagurated how much of an issue that actually is. 

 

you are also better off spending the extra you save on Ryzen towards a better GPU as in titles you can reach higher than what Ryzen achieves you usually need a very good GPU. 

[ELSknutson]

lower clock speeds.

[Turtle Rig]

3 minutes ago, Newbie390 said:

Hello there

I read somewhere around here that Ryzen is good and all but it's not the best when you want to play at higher frame rates (144hz) and that intel is better for that.

My question is why is that? In paper Ryzen should perform better but I heard it doesn't, why? or is it just fake news?

This is not true.  Sure with a 9900k you will get 10 or 15fps more then a Ryzen, but you can't tell a difference if your already getting triple FPS with Ryzen compared to Intel.  See if you get 140fps in a AAA title then with a 9900k you will get 150 or 155fps.  This difference in frame rate without using a FPS counter;  You will not tell a difference in performance.

[Fasauceome]

4 minutes ago, Newbie390 said:

In paper Ryzen should perform better

Should it? I mean, more core to core latency, lower frequency, it's very efficient but it doesn't really have quite as much horsepower.

 

That being said, it actually does do 144Hz if you haven't got the cash for an Intel build. My friend uses his 2600 and DDR4 3000 with his RX 580 for some 120+fps gameplay 

[Ankerson]

No, it's real.

 

The CPU's just don't have the power to push the high frame rates, noticeable at 1080P.

 

That's why we normally say that it's better to run them at 1440P or above especially with the high end GPU's and playing at 1080P AMD will normally bottleneck the shit out of them. High end GPUs are anything from the GTX 1080Ti and above.

[Mister Woof]

Assuming equal and sufficiently bpowerful GPUs, you will need to sacrifice significantly more CPU-based settings on the AMD to get to 144 than you will on unlocked OC Intel chips.

[minibois]

It's all fake news! All a conspiracy by BIG INTEL!

/s

 

In a game the CPU and GPU both work together to make frame of the game. Many games still don't operate with a lot of cores (the thing AMD has the biggest advantage in), so single core performance (where Intel is a lot better) thus shines as the best thing out there.

Keeping that general* idea in mind, Intel has an easier time pushing a ton of frames out, making it easy to keep up with the GPU.

 

On a higher fps resolution (like 4K), you get less frames per second; thus the CPU has to do less. While at high fps (or low detail, meaning the GPU does less work), the CPU has to do more per second, making the Intel CPU's better in those scenarios.

 

* of course this is a very big generalization of the real world, how one game reacts might be totally different from another, so always first check the benchmarks for whatever game (or other program) you will use to see what is better.

[Turtle Rig]

Also note the Zen 2 7nm fab is coming in two months.  I bet my money it will keep up with the 9900k while give you sh*T load of more cores.  

[Mister Woof]

1 minute ago, Minibois said:

It's all fake news! All a conspiracy by BIG INTEL!

/s

 

In a game the CPU and GPU both work together to make frame of the game. Many games still don't operate with a lot of cores (the thing AMD has the biggest advantage in), so single core performance (where Intel is a lot better) thus shines as the best thing out there.

Keeping that general* idea in mind, Intel has an easier time pushing a ton of frames out, making it easy to keep up with the GPU.

 

On higher fps, you get less frames per second; thus the CPU has to do less. While at high fps (or low detail, meaning the GPU does less work), the CPU has to do more per second, making the Intel CPU's better in those scenarios.

 

* of course this is a very big generalization of the real world, how one game reacts might be totally different from another, so always first check the benchmarks for whatever game (or other program) you will use to see what is better.

I think you mean resolution

[minibois]

Just now, Plutosaurus said:

I think you mean resolution

I sure did, thanks for notifying!

2 minutes ago, Turtle Rig said:

Also note the Zen 2 7nm fab is coming in two months.  I bet my money it will keep up with the 9900k while give you sh*T load of more cores.  

Isn't the '3700X' (not sure if that's the official name already) going to be a 12 core 24 thread CPU, as compared to the 9900K's 8 core 16 threads?

The next logical step would of course be 16c32t, but I expect them to keep that on their Threadripper platform..

[Ankerson]

19 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

 

 

Ryzen works just fine on up to 144hz gaming. its exagurated how much of an issue that actually is. 

 

 

 

Not really, with the high end GPUs from the GTX 1080Ti and above and at 1080P the bottleneck is normally very bad. They can make it a little better by cranking up the graphics settings to max and OCing the CPU.

 

That said, playing at 1440P is much better and people with those GPU's should really be playing at 1440P in the 1st place.

[Turtle Rig]

15 minutes ago, Minibois said:

I sure did, thanks for notifying!

Isn't the '3700X' (not sure if that's the official name already) going to be a 12 core 24 thread CPU, as compared to the 9900K's 8 core 16 threads?

The next logical step would of course be 16c32t, but I expect them to keep that on their Threadripper platform..

There will be a 16 core 32 thread Zen 2 Ryzen and it will cost around 600 dollars.  The ThreadRipper will have up to 32 cores 64 threads and will cost about 1700 dollars.  Now before anyone jumps on me, this is just speculation and not the real facts.  With the research I have done the Zen 2 Ryzen will destroy a Intel as far as core count.

[MadmanRB]

Well the main issue facing AMD ryzen is the fact that while they do great at multithread tasks, most games are targeted at single thread and this is where Ryzen falters a little.

Mind you that Ryzen is still very competitive and is the best AMD has ever done in years.

It only falls behind intel a mere 10-15% thats impressive for a company most counted out 3 years ago.

[GoldenLag]

23 minutes ago, Ankerson said:

Not really, with the high end GPUs from the GTX 1080Ti and above and at 1080P the bottleneck is normally very bad. They can make it a little better by cranking up the graphics settings to max and OCing the CPU.

with the time ive had on the forum, its quite exagerated. 

 

and a Ryzen 5 holds up quite well in a lot of title at 1080p using that GPU. also buying something more expencive than a Ryzen 5 is not that clever with Zen 2 on the horizon

[Ankerson]

11 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

with the time ive had on the forum, its quite exagerated. 

 

and a Ryzen 5 holds up quite well in a lot of title at 1080p using that GPU. also buying something more expencive than a Ryzen 5 is not that clever with Zen 2 on the horizon

 

Nope, it's really not.

 

And notice I put and above in there.

 

It has actually been a real issue since the 1080Ti came out, worse in some games than others.

 

Then start getting in the real issues outside of the reviews that have tried to hide the problems.

 

Recently however there have been some known reviewers that have actually came out and focused on them and actually showed how bad it really is.

 

 

[GoldenLag]

1 minute ago, Ankerson said:

Then start getting in the real issues outside of the reviews that have tried to hide the problems.

with the exception of perhaps assasins creed ive yet to see it being an actual holdback or issue. 

 

Ryzen holds up really well, at 1080p or above. better to spend the extra on a better GPU than better CPU, even at 1080p. 

 

3 minutes ago, Ankerson said:

It has actually been a real issue since the 1080Ti came out, worse in some games than others.

1080ti came out before Ryzen........ yes we know ryzen is the super amazing fram pusher, but it holds up well enough to the point where its not really an issue.