Cpu future proof intel or amd

[0oGOkuo0]

Hello im just curious,many times i go to steam and find requirements for certain games and i notice that why steam recommends older intel cpus than amd ones, like for example mortal kombat 11 recommended cpu is i5 2300 while in amd side its ryzen 5 1400?? such a huge gap for intel, does that mean intel cpus tend to have more juice over the years and last longer than amd side?? and still powerful enough to play games even after lets say 7 yrs ahead?? pls elighten me

[Slottr]

That's because AMD had kinda shittier chips up until now

No one can tell you what will be good 7 years from now, we'll give you the best you can get with what you want to spend today

[Sauron]

There's no such thing as future proof hardware, the entire concept is ill conceived and meaningless.

 

System requirements for games are also pretty meaningless, they are only a rough indication and nothing more.

 

Intel had better offerings than AMD in 2011, that's why Intel chips from that time are still considered decent while the AMD ones are not. That says absolutely nothing about Intel's current offerings or those from AMD.

[0oGOkuo0]

so this means intel i series 2nd gen still kicks ass?? wow talk about my grandma

[0oGOkuo0]

1 hour ago, Sauron said:

There's no such thing as future proof hardware, the entire concept is ill conceived and meaningless.

 

System requirements for games are also pretty meaningless, they are only a rough indication and nothing more.

 

Intel had better offerings than AMD in 2011, that's why Intel chips from that time are still considered decent while the AMD ones are not. That says absolutely nothing about Intel's current offerings or those from AMD.

thanks for the answer that clears things up

[Sauron]

9 hours ago, 0oGOkuo0 said:

so this means intel i series 2nd gen still kicks ass?? wow talk about my grandma

Hey, I have a bunch of sandy CPUs! Don't age shame me!

[trevb0t]

14 hours ago, 0oGOkuo0 said:

so this means intel i series 2nd gen still kicks ass?? wow talk about my grandma

Kinda.. For their age, they hold up well if they've been taken care of. 4th gen has a strong overclock following.

 

That said, they support much slower DDR3 RAM and you're stuck with used stuff, which could be a toss up.

Even a new Ryzen 3 system will be comparable or better, and not cost much more.

 

As for future proofing, it's impossible to say. The Ryzen chips promise to use the same chipset until 2020 (which probably seemed badass in first gen. We are practically there.) So possible MOBO security for CPU changes through then.

[Mister Woof]

Objectively, the faster and more cores you have, the more capable your cpu is.

 

 

[trevb0t]

23 minutes ago, Plutosaurus said:

Objectively, the faster and more cores you have, the more capable your cpu is.

Objectively haha. But you know that an AMD A10-7700K with Quad core 3.4ghz is not going to outperform a Ryzen 3 1200 at 3.1

 

As time moves on the way the CPUs actually operate and how the cores communicate in multi core tasks becomes much more efficient and effective. So a 7 year old CPU is almost never going to outperform a current gen without some serious OCing or something.

[Mister Woof]

3 minutes ago, trevb0t said:

Objectively haha. But you know that an AMD A10-7700K with Quad core 3.4ghz is not going to outperform a Ryzen 3 1200 at 3.1

 

As time moves on the way the CPUs actually operate and how the cores communicate in multi core tasks becomes much more efficient and effective. So a 7 year old CPU is almost never going to outperform a current gen without some serious OCing or something.

"Faster"

[trevb0t]

1 minute ago, Plutosaurus said:

"Faster"

Am I not following you here, Pluto? lol

[Mister Woof]

15 minutes ago, trevb0t said:

Am I not following you here, Pluto? lol

I used the word "faster" not "higher frequency", because as you showed, frequency doesn't mean much if IPC is trash. "Faster" just means in the context of just being faster at completing tasks/pushing frames.

 

So objectively, whichever CPU is "faster" and has the most cores is going to be more capable.

 

It's capability in 7 years is just a guess, but slower CPUs with less cores have never performed better than faster CPUs with more cores as time passes.

 

So it's safe to assume that whichever present CPU is faster and has more cores will last longer than present CPUs that are slower with less cores.

 

How much longer? Anyone's guess.

[dDave64]

If you listen to Linus, the answer is more or less that “it depends”.

 

AMD and Intel chips with similar specs on paper end up performing certain tasks better than the other.

 

In general, Intel is better for gaming (by a wide margin in some cases) and AMD is supposedly better for productivity.

 

 

Which one will be “faster” in the future? It depends on what you’re doing. If you’re gaming then You have to make the argument for Intel since they already have superior gaming performance in the modern day.

[xg32]

17 hours ago, 0oGOkuo0 said:

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in terms of futureproofing, wait for 7nm to come out, steve had a video basically suggesting we'll be stuck on 7nm for a LONG time, any improvements made after zen 2 will likely be incremental, 8 or 16 cores should be enough for gaming and light workloads.

[0oGOkuo0]

are intel cpus right now(like 6th to 9th gen) still performs like the old i series cpus 2nd to 4th when it comes to performance and ipc, or like my grandma used to say “old is better”??? cuz some says that older i series had great potential(higher ipc,high oc capabilites and whatnot)

[Mister Woof]

1 minute ago, 0oGOkuo0 said:

are intel cpus right now(like 6th to 9th gen) still performs like the old i series cpus 2nd to 4th when it comes to performance and ipc, or like my grandma used to say “old is better”???

6th gen and 9th gen are basically the same IPC, but 7th had better frequency and 8th and 9th had better frequency and more cores.

 

[Benjeh]

Nothing can be future proofed, tech is constantly moving, Intel refresh their CPUs every 2 years and AMD do too.

[Benjeh]

1 minute ago, Plutosaurus said:

6th gen and 9th gen are basically the same IPC, but 7th had better frequency and 8th and 9th had better frequency and more cores.

 

Better bins *cough*

[Mister Woof]

Just now, Benjeh said:

Better bins *cough*

however it was done, it's still basically just skylake with minor refinements or more cores.

[Benjeh]

Just now, Plutosaurus said:

however it was done, it's still basically just skylake with minor refinements or more cores.

It's how they do it, and I agree with you, I even said it in the post just after yours.

[MadmanRB]

While no one can predict  he future i say right now AMD may have the edge.

Only because of intel shortages and Intels move away from desktop processors, AMD seems very cemented on the desktop right now.

Now how long this will last is uncertain but i still say right now AMD will be more future proof due to its high core/thread count.

Sure that means little for gaming now but who knows, with AMD regaining popularity with DIY builders this could mean better optimization and good longevity for AMD's platform.

Not to mention intel has a nasty habit of changing the socket every 10 seconds, socket AM4 is at least slated to last till 2020 and its possible that AMD will use a similar socket for whatever comes after AM4

[andrewmp6]

11 hours ago, MadmanRB said:

While no one can predict  he future i say right now AMD may have the edge.

Only because of intel shortages and Intels move away from desktop processors, AMD seems very cemented on the desktop right now.

Now how long this will last is uncertain but i still say right now AMD will be more future proof due to its high core/thread count.

Sure that means little for gaming now but who knows, with AMD regaining popularity with DIY builders this could mean better optimization and good longevity for AMD's platform.

Not to mention intel has a nasty habit of changing the socket every 10 seconds, socket AM4 is at least slated to last till 2020 and its possible that AMD will use a similar socket for whatever comes after AM4

The am3+ socket lasted like what 8 years or so?The phenom line made it come out and they used it all the way through the fx line up.

[MadmanRB]

Indeed, though we dont know if AM4 will follow the same pattern and have a AM4+ varient, keeping the same socket and compatibility.

The biggest issue is DDR5, we dont know if that will make AMD reconsider changing the socket to avoid compatibility issues

[Mister Woof]

1 hour ago, andrewmp6 said:

The am3+ socket lasted like what 8 years or so?The phenom line made it come out and they used it all the way through the fx line up.

I don't know if that's really a good example though

 

It's like how the Nissan Frontier is basically unchanged since 2005

[MadmanRB]

On 4/14/2019 at 10:05 AM, Plutosaurus said:

I don't know if that's really a good example though

 

It's like how the Nissan Frontier is basically unchanged since 2005

Well while AM3 had its faults it was appreciated, plus i do think AMD did learn from that experience a little.

Plus there is such thing as if it aint broke dont fix it, a concept Intel has no idea about