Assange arrested

[wasab]

6 hours ago, floofer said:

Looks like Ecuador is after him now. Pretty meritable stuff too, engaging in these hacking sort of activities while in the embassy.

Ecuador is 100% pro whistleblowers, until the whistleblowers start hacking its own government and published it's state secrets. 

[Delicieuxz]

 

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25 minutes ago, wasab said:

Did the names of 250,000 military personel and intelligence agents leaked by Manning and published on wikileaks helped stopping dictators and terrorists? I bet these guys family can sleep easy knowing Taliban has their names while they are on foreign soil combating terrorists.

At least they can still sleep, unlike the hundreds of thousands of civilians killed in the wars that the US started.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, wasab said:

Ecuador is 100% pro whistleblowers, until the whistleblowers start hacking its own government and published it's state secrets. 

I would imagine many governments are.

[wasab]

1 hour ago, Captain Chaos said:

At least they can still sleep, unlike the hundreds of thousands of civilians killed in the wars that the US started.

Yeah? Civilians can sleep easy while Talibans and ISIS are terrorizing the country side? During WWII, the allies were known to deliberately carpet bomb the Axis civilians. Today, we are complaining about a few misguided drone strikes?

[Delicieuxz]

9 minutes ago, wasab said:

Yeah? Civilians can sleep easy while Talibans and ISIS are terrorizing the country side? During WWII, the allies were known to deliberately carpet bomb the Axis civilians. Today, we are complaining about a few misguided drone strikes?

Who do you think created ISIS?

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13 minutes ago, wasab said:

Civilians can sleep easy while Talibans and Isis are terrorizing the country side?

And whose fault is that?  Who has been meddling in the entire middle east, creating power vacuums that are perfect for such organizations?

[wasab]

3 minutes ago, Captain Chaos said:

And whose fault is that?  Who has been meddling in the entire middle east, creating power vacuums that are perfect for such organizations?

For Talibans? The soviets of course. 

The ISIS? Arab spring. 

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49 minutes ago, wasab said:

For Talibans? The soviets of course. 

The ISIS? Arab spring. 

Close ... but no cigar

ISIS was no threat whatsoever until the 2003 invasion if Iraq.  After that war they swore loyalty to Bin Laden.  Remember him?  He's the guy from Al-Qaida, the guys originally trained and funded by the CIA to fight the Soviets.  That's when sh*t started to hit the fan.

The Arab Spring started in late 2010.  By that time ISIS were quite big already.  They basically took over from Al-Qaida in late 2007 - early 2008.

 

As for the Taliban, you're close but not quite close enough.  They were helped by Pakistan, who at that point were pretty pissed about US embargoes against them because of their nuclear program.  (the US didn't have a problem with India having one, probably due to economic reasons).

[Delicieuxz]

1 hour ago, wasab said:

For Talibans? The soviets of course. 

The ISIS? Arab spring. 

 

Wrong answer.

 

 

How the U.S. Created Al-Qaeda In 1979 - while speaking to the Mujahideen in Pakistan, President Carter’s National Security Advisor told the Jihadist group, “your cause is right, and God is on your side.”

Blowback: How Isis Was Created by the U.S. Invasion of Iraq

 

 

 

 

 

We finally know what Hillary Clinton knew all along – US allies Saudi Arabia and Qatar are funding Isis

 

 

The US even helped the Nazis and Hitler rise to power, and supported the Nazis well into WW2. Hitler’s anti-Jew crusade was inspired by Henry Ford’s anti-Jew publications:

 

In 1938, Henry Ford was given the Grand Cross of the German Eagle, an award created by Hitler and the highest honour Nazi Germany could give to any foreigner. From 1920 to 1927 Henry Ford ran anti-Jewish articles in his newspaper in the US, and they were released in Germany under the title “The International Jew, the World’s Foremost Problem”.

 

More information.

 

In 1931, Hitler said he regarded Ford as his “inspiration”, and kept a life-size portrait of Ford next to his desk. Author Steven Watts wrote that Hitler “revered” Ford, proclaiming that “I shall do my best to put his theories into practice in Germany”.

 

The holocaust was a US design, carried out by proxy via Hitler's Nazis.

 

 

Wall Street and the Rise of Hitler

 

"The contribution made by American capitalism to German war preparations can only be described as phenomenal. It was certainly crucial to German military capabilities.... Not only was an influential sector of American business aware of the nature of Nazism, but for its own purposes aided Nazism wherever possible (and profitable)--with full knowledge that the probable outcome would be war involving Europe and the United States."

 

GM / Opel was supplying Germany with vehicles until the Autumn of 1940.

Standard Oil was shipping 13,000 of tons of crude oil to Germany each month.

Ford was supplying Germany with rubber and tires until losing control of its factories to the Nazis after the Pearl Harbour attack in December, 1941.

Prescott Bush continued profiting from business dealings with Nazi Germany until his assets were seized in 1942 under the Trading with the Enemy Act.

 

It is entirely probable that WW2 would have not happened if the US hadn’t contributed to Hitler’s ideology and rise, and to the Nazis’ war machine. And so, WW2 itself was in large part a creation of the US.

 

 

“If we see that Germany is winning the war, we ought to help Russia; and if that Russia is winning, we ought to help Germany, and in that way let them kill as many as possible …”

 

- Harry Truman, 1941

 

 

Despite the domestic propaganda that conditions US people to think that the US is some just and noble force, everything the US does on the global stage is done simply for money or power, and funding fascists, dictators, and terrorists is actually the normal method of operation for the US - which is why Assange's and WikiLeaks' exposing the true nature of US operations in the US and elsewhere is so critical for the world.

 

 

Former US diplomat and foreign policy adviser, Jim Jatras:

 

"Of course we are a sponsor of terrorism. For us to say the Iranians are sponsoring terrorists... Look, a lot of countries use terrorists as a means of policy, so there's a certain 'pot and kettle, black' issue here. But, for us to say Iran's the prime sponsor of terrorism when we and our friends, particularly the Saudis, are front and centre on that is grotesque, actually."

 

 

[Sauron]

1 hour ago, wasab said:

During WWII, the allies were known to deliberately carpet bomb the Axis civilians.

During WWII, everyone carpet bombed everyone. I don't think we should take it as a shining example of normality. It's a bit like saying that you shouldn't complain about being hit by a car because "at least" the driver didn't reverse to make sure you were dead, didn't go find your family to roadkill them too and didn't burn down your entire neighborhood.

 

Furthermore, while the US is drone striking these places, those nations have no means to respond in kind, unlike the axis in WWII (the US was still in an advantageous position because of the ocean btw).

[wasab]

2 hours ago, Captain Chaos said:

Close ... but no cigar

ISIS was no threat whatsoever until the 2003 invasion if Iraq.  After that war they swore loyalty to Bin Laden.  Remember him?  He's the guy from Al-Qaida, the guys originally trained and funded by the CIA to fight the Soviets.  That's when sh*t started to hit the fan.

The Arab Spring started in late 2010.  By that time ISIS were quite big already.  They basically took over from Al-Qaida in late 2007 - early 2008.

 

As for the Taliban, you're close but not quite close enough.  They were helped by Pakistan, who at that point were pretty pissed about US embargoes against them because of their nuclear program.  (the US didn't have a problem with India having one, probably due to economic reasons).

This is like tracing the cause of Nazism all the way back to Adolf Hitler's ancestors from thousands of years ago and blaming them for starting WWII. 

 

No, Taliban exists because of commies that coup the moderate Afghan constitutiona monarchy. 

 

ISIS happens because Arab spring destabilizes Middle East. 

 

Finally, Iran turned to radical again because of commies who tried to nationalize the oil fields. 

 

Everything is either

1) commie

2) commie sponsoring terrorism

 

 

 

[wasab]

2 hours ago, Sauron said:

During WWII, everyone carpet bombed everyone. I don't think we should take it as a shining example of normality. It's a bit like saying that you shouldn't complain about being hit by a car because "at least" the driver didn't reverse to make sure you were dead, didn't go find your family to roadkill them too and didn't burn down your entire neighborhood.

 

Furthermore, while the US is drone striking these places, those nations have no means to respond in kind, unlike the axis in WWII (the US was still in an advantageous position because of the ocean btw).

What you talking about? Terrorists can respond regardless if there is an ocean in between . 9/11 happens on American soil. 

[wasab]

2 hours ago, Delicieuxz said:

 

Wrong answer.

 

 

How the U.S. Created Al-Qaeda In 1979 - while speaking to the Mujahideen in Pakistan, President Carter’s National Security Advisor told the Jihadist group, “your cause is right, and God is on your side.”

Blowback: How Isis Was Created by the U.S. Invasion of Iraq

 

 

 

 

 

We finally know what Hillary Clinton knew all along – US allies Saudi Arabia and Qatar are funding Isis

 

 

The US even helped the Nazis and Hitler rise to power, and supported the Nazis well into WW2. Hitler’s anti-Jew crusade was inspired by Henry Ford’s anti-Jew publications:

 

In 1938, Henry Ford was given the Grand Cross of the German Eagle, an award created by Hitler and the highest honour Nazi Germany could give to any foreigner. From 1920 to 1927 Henry Ford ran anti-Jewish articles in his newspaper in the US, and they were released in Germany under the title “The International Jew, the World’s Foremost Problem”.

 

More information.

 

In 1931, Hitler said he regarded Ford as his “inspiration”, and kept a life-size portrait of Ford next to his desk. Author Steven Watts wrote that Hitler “revered” Ford, proclaiming that “I shall do my best to put his theories into practice in Germany”.

 

The holocaust was a US design, carried out by proxy via Hitler's Nazis.

 

 

Wall Street and the Rise of Hitler

 

"The contribution made by American capitalism to German war preparations can only be described as phenomenal. It was certainly crucial to German military capabilities.... Not only was an influential sector of American business aware of the nature of Nazism, but for its own purposes aided Nazism wherever possible (and profitable)--with full knowledge that the probable outcome would be war involving Europe and the United States."

 

GM / Opel was supplying Germany with vehicles until the Autumn of 1940.

Standard Oil was shipping 13,000 of tons of crude oil to Germany each month.

Ford was supplying Germany with rubber and tires until losing control of its factories to the Nazis after the Pearl Harbour attack in December, 1941.

Prescott Bush continued profiting from business dealings with Nazi Germany until his assets were seized in 1942 under the Trading with the Enemy Act.

 

It is entirely probable that WW2 would have not happened if the US hadn’t contributed to Hitler’s ideology and rise, and to the Nazis’ war machine. And so, WW2 itself was in large part a creation of the US.

 

 

“If we see that Germany is winning the war, we ought to help Russia; and if that Russia is winning, we ought to help Germany, and in that way let them kill as many as possible …”

 

- Harry Truman, 1941

 

 

Despite the domestic propaganda that conditions US people to think that the US is some just and noble force, everything the US does on the global stage is done simply for money or power, and funding fascists, dictators, and terrorists is actually the normal method of operation for the US - which is why Assange's and WikiLeaks' exposing the true nature of US operations in the US and elsewhere is so critical for the world.

 

 

Former US diplomat and foreign policy adviser, Jim Jatras:

 

"Of course we are a sponsor of terrorism. For us to say the Iranians are sponsoring terrorists... Look, a lot of countries use terrorists as a means of policy, so there's a certain 'pot and kettle, black' issue here. But, for us to say Iran's the prime sponsor of terrorism when we and our friends, particularly the Saudis, are front and centre on that is grotesque, actually."

 

 

Sure just like Adolf Hitler's mom ought to take credit and be blamed for mass murder of 6 million Jews. Jesus Christ. 

 

I don't care if the Nazis drew their inspiration for the Holocaust from American Eurgencis or ethnic cleansing of the Native American tribes. The political factors, economic situations, and historical grievances within Germany at that time were the actual catalyst for the rise of Nazism, not outside factors from foreign sources. Don't go historical revisionism and point fingers elsewhere. 

 

[Sauron]

Just now, wasab said:

Terrorists can respond regardless if there is an ocean in between. 9/11 happens on American soil. 

Terrorists aren't a national army and bombing middle eastern civilians doesn't hinder them in any way; most terrorists aren't even born in the countries the US is bombarding. The group that was responsible for 9/11 was originally formed and trained by the US. Not to mention that, while 9/11 was horrible, the wars waged by the US using that as a pretext (with the actual goal of controlling oil rich territories) since then have caused orders of magnitude more casualties. In short, if the US could mind its own frigging business, 99% of these atrocities could have been avoided.

[wasab]

31 minutes ago, Sauron said:

Terrorists aren't a national army and bombing middle eastern civilians doesn't hinder them in any way; most terrorists aren't even born in the countries the US is bombarding. The group that was responsible for 9/11 was originally formed and trained by the US. Not to mention that, while 9/11 was horrible, the wars waged by the US using that as a pretext (with the actual goal of controlling oil rich territories) since then have caused orders of magnitude more casualties. In short, if the US could mind its own frigging business, 99% of these atrocities could have been avoided.

Taliban hides the terrorists. Why you have an issue with bombing them? Taliban insurgents mixed in with the civilian populations and fight just like guerilla. It is an enemy without uniform. You do not have to be a nation or an army to fight a freaking war. Talibans and other guerillas groups literally fought the entire war against the Soviet army. 

 

If the US minds it's own business, the entire Europe would either be under German Nazism or stalinsts communism by the end of 1950s, the entire Pacific and east Asia would be under Japanese imperialism. 

 

And who knows how many more hijacking and bombings would occur by terrorists funded by leftists/radical governments such as Gaddafi Libya or Taliban Afghanistan?  

[Delicieuxz]

27 minutes ago, wasab said:

Sure just like Adolf Hitler's mom ought to take credit and be blamed for mass murder of 6 million Jews. Jesus Christ. 

Only if Hitler said that he murdered 6 million Jews because his mom's anti-Jew propaganda inspired him to. And if his mom created and disseminated anti-Jew propaganda that was Hitler's inspiration for the holocaust, then she would indeed be to blame for it. Obviously.

 

Henry Ford, you know, the US businessman who started the Ford vehicle company, published anti-Jew articles, and Hitler, who was friends with Ford, said Ford's articles were his inspiration:

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From 1920 to 1927 Henry Ford ran anti-Jewish articles in his newspaper in the US, and they were released in Germany under the title “The International Jew, the World’s Foremost Problem”.

 

In 1931, Hitler said he regarded Ford as his “inspiration”, and kept a life-size portrait of Ford next to his desk. Author Steven Watts wrote that Hitler “revered” Ford, proclaiming that “I shall do my best to put his theories into practice in Germany”.

 

Literally, the holocaust occurred because of anti-Jew ideas born and advocated in the US.

 

Just think: Every time you buy a Ford vehicle, you are giving money to the company that caused the holocaust.

[wasab]

5 minutes ago, Delicieuxz said:

Only if Hitler said that he murdered 6 million Jews because his mom inspired him to.

 

Henry Ford, you know, the US businessman who started the Ford vehicle company, published anti-Jew articles, and Hitler, who was friends with Ford, said Ford's articles were his inspiration:

 

Literally, the holocaust was an idea born in the US.

You are tracing back causes to places where it just doesn't make sense. Your argument is nothing sort of a slippery slope. We can trace everything back to the dawn of humanities and blame human civilization for fascism, slavery, genocide by your logic. 

 

Anti semitism isn't exclusive to the US. Europeans had periodic periods of Jewish pogroms well before the Nazis and discovery of new worlds.

 

 

[Delicieuxz]

6 minutes ago, wasab said:

You are tracing back causes to places where it just doesn't make sense. Your argument is nothing sort of a slippery slope. We can trace everything back to the dawn of humanities and blame human civilization for fascism, slavery, genocide by your logic. 

Nonsense. Hitler literally said that his friend Henry Ford's anti-Jew ideas were his inspiration for the persecution of Jews in Nazi Germany, and that he was aiming to put Henry Ford's anti-Jew ideas into practice in Germany - and Henry Ford was grateful to Hitler for his appreciation and continued to help Hitler as much as he could.

 

There's no other way to put this: Henry Ford bear huge direct responsibility for WW2 and the holocaust.

 

Every time you buy a Ford vehicle, you are giving money to the company that deliberately inspired the holocaust and which was wilfully supplying the Nazis until their factories were seized in December 1941.

[wasab]

5 minutes ago, Delicieuxz said:

Nonsense. Hitler literally said that his friend Henry Ford's anti-Jew ideas were his inspiration for the persecution of Jews in Nazi Germany, and that he was aiming to put Henry Ford's anti-Jew ideas into practice in Germany - and Henry Ford was grateful to Hitler for his appreciation and continued to help Hitler as much as he could.

 

There's no other way to put this: Henry Ford bear huge direct responsibility for WW2 and the holocaust.

Did Henry Ford helped the Germans to vote the Nazis into power too? 

 

Did Ford convince President Ludendorff to appoint Hitler as Chancellor?

 

Did Ford published all the anti semetic progandas Hitler had witness during his early homeless years in Vienna?

 

Did Ford espouse the popular but false notions that Jews were the backstabbing traitors behind Germany's defeat in WWI? 

 

These anti semitic sentiments exists well before Ford. 

 

These anti semitism was purely native German inventions. 

 

Hitler had been genocidally anti semetic well before Ford. 

 

Your argument again makes no sense. 

[Sauron]

4 minutes ago, wasab said:

Taliban hides the terrorists. Why you have an issue with bombing them?

Except the vast majority of the bombings don't target Talibans.

7 minutes ago, wasab said:

Taliban insurgents mixed in with the civilian populations and fight just like guerilla. It is an enemy without uniform. You do not have to be a nation or an army to fight a freaking war. Talibans and other guerillas groups literally fought the entire war against the Soviet army.

Right, so why not just bomb the entire place in the odd chance that there is a single Taliban hiding among the civilians? Seriously...

 

And again, what threat do these people pose to the US? I'll tell you, none. Zip. 9/11 and every other terror attack related to these conflicts was entirely a consequence of the US meddling with governments and fighting in the middle east, and local Talibans don't have the means to get to the US and commit a terror attack anyway.

10 minutes ago, wasab said:

If the US minds it's own business, the entire Europe would either be under German Nazism or stalinsts communism by the end of 1950s, the entire Pacific and east Asia would be under Japanese imperialism.

Is that justification for being constantly engaged in oil wars for the following 80 years? Hell no. Just because the US' intervention was unambiguously useful ONE TIME doesn't mean they get to play that card to justify invading countries to steal their resources.

13 minutes ago, wasab said:

And who knows how many more hijacking and bombings would occur by terrorists funded by leftists governments such as Gaddafi Libya or Taliban Afghanistan?  

Lol, calling Geddafi a leftist is the funniest thing I've heard today.

 

Regardless, you seem to be... misremembering what happened to him; he was overthrown in a riot, the US had nothing to do with it and in fact supported his government. The intervention came later, once Libia descended into civil war.

 

And no, there would have been 0 terror attacks from the middle east if they hadn't felt (and been) manipulated and robbed by the US for decades.

[Delicieuxz]

12 minutes ago, wasab said:

Did Henry Ford helped the Germans to vote the Nazis into power too? 

 

Did Ford convince President Ludendorff to appoint Hitler as Chancellor?

 

Did Ford published all the anti semetic progandas Hitler had witness during his early homeless years in Vienna?

 

Did Ford espouse the popular but false notions that Jews were the backstabbing traitors behind Germany's defeat in WWI? 

 

These anti semitic sentiments exists well before Ford. 

 

These anti semitism was purely native German inventions. 

 

Hitler had been genocidally anti semetic well before Ford. 

 

Your argument again makes no sense. 

The you didn't actually read the previous information I presented you, because otherwise you would know what you're claiming is false:

 

Ford's anti-Jew publications ran from 1920 to 1927.

 

Hitler became leader of the Nazi party in 1921, and leader of Germany in 1933.

 

In 1931, before Hitler was the leader of Germany, he called Henry Ford his inspiration and said he would try to put Henry Ford's ideas into practice.

 

Nazi Germany's persecution of Jews started in 1933, after Hitler became Germany's leader.

 

World holocaust remembrance centre - Rise of the Nazis and Beginning of Persecution

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On March 9, 1933, several weeks after Hitler assumed power, organized attacks on Jews broke out across Germany. Two weeks later, the Dachau concentration camp, situated near Munich, opened. Dachau became a place of internment for Communists, Socialists, German liberals and anyone considered an enemy of the Reich. It became the model for the network of concentration camps that would be established later by the Nazis. Within a few months, democracy was obliterated in Germany, and the country became a centralized, single-party police state.

 

On April 1, 1933, a general boycott against German Jews was declared, in which SA members stood outside Jewish-owned stores and businesses in order to prevent customers from entering.

 

 

I can see that no matter what information is presented you, you simply default to an indoctrinated fairy-tale vision of the US.

[Noctus]

17 hours ago, wasab said:

Yeah? Then he would have no problem of going to Sweden for a full investigation now would he? After he serves his sentence in the US for leaking classified documents that is. 

It's quite apparent you didn't bother reading the other detailed replies of why he didn't leave the embassy and how Sweden didn't bother going to interview/investigate him in the embassy. It's also evident by the factual replies after your reply that you will happily ignore them or strawman certain points. You act like Assange personally dicked ur mom in the ass then stuck it in your mouth. Done with your stupid replies.

[wasab]

15 minutes ago, Sauron said:

Except the vast majority of the bombings don't target Talibans.

Right, so why not just bomb the entire place in the odd chance that there is a single Taliban hiding among the civilians? Seriously...

 

 

What you talking about? It is a nation full of radical Islamists. Taliban's blend in with the civilians and calling most drone strikes are targeting the civilians is just blatantly untrue. 

 

15 minutes ago, Sauron said:

 

And again, what threat do these people pose to the US? I'll tell you, none. Zip. 9/11 and every other terror attack related to these conflicts was entirely a consequence of the US meddling with governments and fighting in the middle east, and local Talibans don't have the means to get to the US and commit a terror attack anyway.

Is that justification for being constantly engaged in oil wars for the following 80 years? Hell no. Just because the US' intervention was unambiguously useful ONE TIME doesn't mean they get to play that card to justify invading countries to steal their resources.

Lol, calling Geddafi a leftist is the funniest thing I've heard today.

 

 

Yeah? What did the US do to deserve 9/11? For stopping Iraq from annexing Kuwait? 

15 minutes ago, Sauron said:

 

 

Regardless, you seem to be... misremembering what happened to him; he was overthrown in a riot, the US had nothing to do with it and in fact supported his government. The intervention came later, once Libia descended into civil war.

 

 

 

Gaddafi government leaked of Leftist rhetorics and communists policies. If the commie sounding people's revolutionary council and his immense Soviet support do not tick you off his leftist orientation, you are either ignorant or deliberately dishonest. 

[Sauron]

9 minutes ago, wasab said:

Did Ford convince President Ludendorff to appoint Hitler as Chancellor?

You mean Hindenburg. Lundendorff never even became president as far as I know.