VRAM Usage GDDR5 vs GDDR6 at Same Graphical Settings?

[_Hustler_One_]

Hi guys..

 

Last night I Updated Monster Hunter: World, one of the update is HD textures.

 

Before this update I always play the game with all maxed out graphical setting and disabling the Volumetric Rendering. With this settings the game UI shows it need 4.12Gb of the 5.91Gb GPU VRAM I have, and I can get 60-85 FPS at 1080p resolution, depends on density of the environtment.

 

After the update I try to play with that new HD texture with the other setting still at the same value as before, I only increase the texture quality to the new maximum setting. With this settings the game now needs 5.48Gb of the 5.91Gb GPU VRAM, and this gives me lower FPS and it's not a pleasure to play. I spent 29.7Gb of data to update only to find myself dissapointed.

 

I feel this might be the indicator for me to upgrade my GPU, as my GTX 1060 6Gb just got a new level of challange which it can barely accept it to stay at the highest settings.

But right now I'm not at financially free to upgrade any of my PC components.

 

So far this GTX 1060 6Gb always serves me so well on the other game I play (World of Tanks +120 FPS easily all maxed out settings), but for MHW with its latest updates the GPU starts to struggle.

 

Before I'm ready to upgrade the GPU, I have some questions,

 

1. With certain game setting which currently occupies 5.42Gb of GDDR5 VRAM, will it occupies the same amount of GDDR6 or it's lower?

So I can aim to just get like RTX 2060 6Gb GDDR6 or any others with higher VRAM, as I don't have intention to go with higher resolution display, so the amount of VRAM is more important than the higher GPU cores.

 

2. Since the only most GPU intensive game I play is MHW, which GPU should I aim to play comfortably at 75-120 FPS 1080p without any compromise like I have to disable the Volumetric Rendering in the settings?

 

This will be the reference point for me to start save some cash for this upcoming upgrade, so it's not the GPU which should match the budget but otherwise based on requirements. Right now with 2 little kids I can spare for around $70/month just for this thing, actually I can spare more but it's for kids and other things. So the most suitable GPU for 6Gb VRAM usage and high FPS 1080p, that's all I need.

 

Thanks in advance..

[Mick Naughty]

A stronger card will be better overall. Even if it had less ram. 

 

Either turn some settings down, undo what you did or buy a better card. 

[_Hustler_One_]

1 minute ago, Mick Naughty said:

A stronger card will be better overall. Even if it had less ram. 

 

Either turn some settings down, undo what you did or buy a better card. 

Do you play MHW? Its texture before the update was comical..

 

But yeah, I stay with the previous settings till I can save enough cash to upgrade.

 

By saying a stronger card with less VRAM will be better, so do you thing 5.48 Gigs usage on GDDR5 will be lower on GDDR6?

 

So is the RTX 2060 will be the enough of that VRAM usage?

[xAcid9]

6 minutes ago, _Hustler_One_ said:

so do you thing 5.48 Gigs usage on GDDR5 will be lower on GDDR6?

No it won't. 

[_Hustler_One_]

3 minutes ago, xAcid9 said:

No it won't. 

So what is the best choice for that VRAM usage without being overkill?

I'm not a person who play many games, I tend to stick to few games for so long

[Mick Naughty]

Are you wanting better frames or less vram usage?

 

 

[_Hustler_One_]

11 minutes ago, Mick Naughty said:

Are you wanting better frames or less vram usage?

 

 

75-120 FPS on the the new texture settings, so it's basically I want it to be better frames with 6Gb VRAM usage. because if I have to stay with my current FPS and not using for what I spent of 29Gb of internet data to get the new updates, which is quiet expensive in my country then it's a waste of cost.

 

I can stay without using the new texture till I get the new GPU for it.

[mariushm]

The textures will use same amount of memory regardless if it's GDDR5 or GDDR6

 

Before you upgraded the game, the textures were of poorer quality so some quality settings probably were configured to some higher levels in order to improve quality (like let's say 8x anisotropic filtering, or some kind of full scene antialiasing).

Those options used some amount of video card processing power with the poorer quality textures, but use MORE processing power with the bigger textures.

Now that you have better textures, you may not need so strong processing on the higher quality textures, so you may be able to reduce those settings to some lower values (like only 2x or 4x anisotripic filtering, a simpler antialiasing method, whatever) and still have much better visual quality but with better fps. 

 

So of course, going up in texture sizes will affect fps... but you have lots of visual settings and reducing some will improve the fps and still get you better image quality than before. Play around.

 

Upgrading to a RTX 2060 will increase the fps but only because there's more "brains" in the gpu chip which can process the textures faster. The choice of memory GDDR5 or GDDR6 makes very little difference.

[Mick Naughty]

So get a better card. Real simple. Or turn down settings. 

[_Hustler_One_]

11 minutes ago, mariushm said:

The textures will use same amount of memory regardless if it's GDDR5 or GDDR6

So if I want upgrade the GPU, I still need a GPU with higher VRAM, right?

 

The 2060 seems not to suit the needs then

[_Hustler_One_]

13 minutes ago, Mick Naughty said:

So get a better card. Real simple. Or turn down settings. 

The choices will be gtx 1070 ti, 1080, or 2070. Which one will be the best value for long term 1080p high VRAM usage high fps?

[Mick Naughty]

14 minutes ago, _Hustler_One_ said:

The choices will be gtx 1070 ti, 1080, or 2070. Which one will be the best value for long term 1080p high VRAM usage high fps?

No idea, what ever YouTube benchmarks say. Not sure what high vram has to do with it but the better card in every way will be the newest. 

[Sychic]

21 minutes ago, _Hustler_One_ said:

The choices will be gtx 1070 ti, 1080, or 2070. Which one will be the best value for long term 1080p high VRAM usage high fps?

 BTW a 1070ti is just a slightly underclocked 1080... You can usually just OC it a bit to get it up to 1080 level

[_Hustler_One_]

20 minutes ago, Mick Naughty said:

No idea, what ever YouTube benchmarks say. Not sure what high vram has to do with it but the better card in every way will be the newest. 

Do you think if I'm out of VRAM but have more GPU cores, I still can maintain high fps with highest settings?

[Xkillerpn]

Get a Vega 56 or 64 if you enable HBCC you can get more vram allocation from the inicial 8g, Basicly you use your system ram to add to the gpu in a more eficient way. 

 

But first, what is HBCC?

In a nutshell, HBCC is, as its “high-bandwidth cache controller” name gives away, a complement to the framebuffer (or “high-bandwidth cache” as AMD now calls it) that will treat the VRAM as a last-level cache, and some system memory as VRAM. If a resource is requested by the GPU, but it’s not currently in video memory, the memory pages relating to the data will be pulled in to Vega’s HBC (framebuffer) for quicker access, while unused pages will be flushed out.

[_Hustler_One_]

21 minutes ago, Xkillerpn said:

Get a Vega 56 or 64 if you enable HBCC you can get more vram allocation from the inicial 8g, Basicly you use your system ram to add to the gpu in a more eficient way.

That may be an alternatives. But I'm more comfortable with NVidia

Wonder if my 650W PSU can feed it up sufficiently..

[Mick Naughty]

19 minutes ago, _Hustler_One_ said:

Do you think if I'm out of VRAM but have more GPU cores, I still can maintain high fps with highest settings?

Sure. If FPS is the only concern. Could get a Quadro card if you want more vram. 

[PlayStation 2]

...meh? Not really? Chances are that data would be able to move in and out of VRAM faster if you got a card with GDDR6, but from what I've heard, Monster Hunter: World got a sizable update that vastly improved some visuals in the games, most notably textures. I doubt VRAM usage would really change.

[_Hustler_One_]

51 minutes ago, Mick Naughty said:

Sure. If FPS is the only concern. Could get a Quadro card if you want more vram. 

If that's the case then I might consider the 2060 back to the list.

But I just want to have some spare of VRAM available without being overkill, in case the future game updates will need even more VRAM.

 

That 5.48 Gb VRAM usage is with the Volumetric Rendering disabled, if I enabled that setting, it will be 5.6Gb, so basically I'm out of VRAM.

[_Hustler_One_]

16 minutes ago, handymanshandle said:

...meh? Not really? Chances are that data would be able to move in and out of VRAM faster if you got a card with GDDR6, but from what I've heard, Monster Hunter: World got a sizable update that vastly improved some visuals in the games, most notably textures. I doubt VRAM usage would really change.

I'm sorry I cannot get what's the point, also my english is not so well..

[_Hustler_One_]

7 minutes ago, _StrikE_ said:

I'll test it out if you want since i have an rtx 2060 and mhw, just need the update.

The update will be 29.7 Gigs..

Anyway thanks for testing it for me..

[xAcid9]

Can't you just lower the setting a notch? Is it noticeable bad when you turn it down a notch? 

[_Hustler_One_]

22 minutes ago, xAcid9 said:

Can't you just lower the setting a notch? Is it noticeable bad when you turn it down a notch? 

Ofcourse.. Now I just stay with the previous setting I used to play before I updated the game cause it gives me 60-85 FPS just to wait till I can upgrade the GPU.

 

Also I don't want to waste my 29 Gb of data for updated the game last night without being able to use it comfortably at highest settings, so a GPU upgrade is necessary, but I'll save some cash while looking for the best candidate to get and hopefully there's some price drops when I'm ready with the money..

 

Still waiting for @_StrikE_ about the result with the 2060, I might get 2060 but unsure, just in case the next future game updates need even more VRAM. This updates was for the New World textures, the next expansion updates will be the MHW: Ice Born, I wonder if it will utilizing any aspect from higher specs GPU more than ever.

[_Hustler_One_]

10 minutes ago, _StrikE_ said:

As for the results, honestly it makes no difference, performance wise, i get the very same results i had before, i play on the highest settings preset, and of course i went in advanced settings menu and activated the HD textures, except for the improved visuals i get the same stable 60 FPS with some dips to 57-56 FPS lows ever so rarely then. Do take note though that i'm running the game of an SSD and i do have the best RTX 2060 card variant, also i could only test the ancient forest now, previously i could all zones but due to me being stupid and accidentally deleting my main save i lost access for now. But this update sure gives back life and fun to the game, i may start it up again.

What resolution do you play with that stable 60s, my 1060 can do 60-85 with disabling Volumetric Rendering but if it's enabled it's struggling at 46 FPS and barely do 50 FPS or more.

 

Can you see how much the VRAM usage in game? Does it eat up the whole VRAM capacity? You can use MSI Afterburner to overlay the FPS on screen.

 

If we are in the same resolution, I might get 2060 or maybe potentially 2070 for more VRAM and raw power.