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[21rkosta]

@m2234323 yes ISPS are kind of jerks like that. Threatining to walk often works in those situations though that doesnt work if your currently under contract

[m2234323]

Just now, 21rkosta said:

@m2234323 yes ISPS are kind of jerks like that. Threatining to walk often works in those situations though that doesnt work if your currently under contract

only issue is when they figuter out it only comast and we had them areayd so they say good luck you just be back and get the same rate 

[Donut417]

36 minutes ago, m2234323 said:

only issue is when they figuter out it only comast and we had them areayd so they say good luck you just be back and get the same rate 

Not necessarily. Most people dont give two fucks about upload rate. Verizon and Comcast both know this. Comcast can offer Gigabit across much of its foot print. On top of Gigabit Pro which is technically Metro Ethernet at a heavily discounted rate. $299/m might seem like a lot, but for the service you will get, its worth every penny, at least those who have it. Lots of people play the ISP shuffle every year. They get in to a deal with one, that one expires, so they go with the other option. Then when that deal expires they are back at the ISP they started with. Its just how the game is played. Be lucky you have options. My option is Comcast or 4G LTE, as AT&T no longer serves my neighborhood (when they did it was 6 Mbps DSL). Tell you dad, if he wants to save money, then he needs to play the ISP shuffle. 

 

Also being in a Verizon/Comcast area means most likely no data caps on the Comcast side. Thats another thing that blows, that pesky 1TB cap, every month. 

[m2234323]

1 hour ago, Donut417 said:

Not necessarily. Most people dont give two fucks about upload rate. Verizon and Comcast both know this. Comcast can offer Gigabit across much of its foot print. On top of Gigabit Pro which is technically Metro Ethernet at a heavily discounted rate. $299/m might seem like a lot, but for the service you will get, its worth every penny, at least those who have it. Lots of people play the ISP shuffle every year. They get in to a deal with one, that one expires, so they go with the other option. Then when that deal expires they are back at the ISP they started with. Its just how the game is played. Be lucky you have options. My option is Comcast or 4G LTE, as AT&T no longer serves my neighborhood (when they did it was 6 Mbps DSL). Tell you dad, if he wants to save money, then he needs to play the ISP shuffle. 

 

Also being in a Verizon/Comcast area means most likely no data caps on the Comcast side. Thats another thing that blows, that pesky 1TB cap, every month. 

i thin he is just going to get the best rate he can he hate have to switch isp all the time and for me after seen a how fast a 2 gig file upload it would be hard going to such slow speed i upload once in a while like once a week and love seen it upload so much and we are not verry ritch famile so 300 is out of the picture and i think dad is going to end up wiht about 110 to 130$  amonth for 100/100 he think the ohter is too good to be true is there a way to keepp verizon .net email  when going to comcst since my dad say no way is he moving all his acoundt to some other email and tell his frined 

[jake9000]

My boss lives out in the sticks in an unincorporated community with like 10 houses. He was telling me how the HOA got together and collected quotes from the two ISPs in the area (mediacom & AT&T) and they quoted around $30k/mile to run fiber from the nearest highway which had a buried fiber line next to it already. They weren't gonna just do it themselves because you'll never get a return on that investment with just 10 customers. 

Ended up building a microwave tower which was big drama due to it being 'unsightly.' 

The only ISPs that are expanding are new players who are limited to one or two municipalities each. Everywhere that can have wired broadband already has it... so let's hope 5G is all it's cracked up to be. 

[m2234323]

7 hours ago, jake9000 said:

My boss lives out in the sticks in an unincorporated community with like 10 houses. He was telling me how the HOA got together and collected quotes from the two ISPs in the area (mediacom & AT&T) and they quoted around $30k/mile to run fiber from the nearest highway which had a buried fiber line next to it already. They weren't gonna just do it themselves because you'll never get a return on that investment with just 10 customers. 

Ended up building a microwave tower which was big drama due to it being 'unsightly.' 

The only ISPs that are expanding are new players who are limited to one or two municipalities each. Everywhere that can have wired broadband already has it... so let's hope 5G is all it's cracked up to be. 

did you seee one artile i post some what back one isp install down a long drivway 

[m2234323]

15 hours ago, Donut417 said:

Not necessarily. Most people dont give two fucks about upload rate. Verizon and Comcast both know this. Comcast can offer Gigabit across much of its foot print. On top of Gigabit Pro which is technically Metro Ethernet at a heavily discounted rate. $299/m might seem like a lot, but for the service you will get, its worth every penny, at least those who have it. Lots of people play the ISP shuffle every year. They get in to a deal with one, that one expires, so they go with the other option. Then when that deal expires they are back at the ISP they started with. Its just how the game is played. Be lucky you have options. My option is Comcast or 4G LTE, as AT&T no longer serves my neighborhood (when they did it was 6 Mbps DSL). Tell you dad, if he wants to save money, then he needs to play the ISP shuffle. 

 

Also being in a Verizon/Comcast area means most likely no data caps on the Comcast side. Thats another thing that blows, that pesky 1TB cap, every month. 

He say he here bad thing about comast and rathe pay the money

[GuruOfNothing]

Cry me a river. I live in a rural area and can't get anything but satellite that doesn't work worth a shit. Verizon service is 3G... barely and ridiculous data caps. The only thing saving me is that HughesNet doesn't cap your internet when you run over the allotment you pay for. They throttle it. But in my case, the throttling is no slower than the normal speeds so I have internet all month for the lowest data package. But it is sloooooooooooow. 480P is about the best I get for YouTube streaming and that is at night. And that cost me $100 a month. Fiber runs past my house but they won't cut it and add a node. It is 2 miles all around me but will probably never get it where I live because the land plots are too large and population density is too low.

[m2234323]

10 minutes ago, GuruOfNothing said:

Cry me a river. I live in a rural area and can't get anything but satellite that doesn't work worth a shit. Verizon service is 3G... barely and ridiculous data caps. The only thing saving me is that HughesNet doesn't cap your internet when you run over the allotment you pay for. They throttle it. But in my case, the throttling is no slower than the normal speeds so I have internet all month for the lowest data package. But it is sloooooooooooow. 480P is about the best I get for YouTube streaming and that is at night. And that cost me $100 a month. Fiber runs past my house but they won't cut it and add a node. It is 2 miles all around me but will probably never get it where I live because the land plots are too large and population density is too low.

hum i think i would be look for a good provider when picking a house and wow one area they woint instalk some ohter aren then send a fiber 5mils away and up a 1/4 mill dryway 

how long is your drivway 

i think some shuld set up a petiton to deman fiir interent at a good pricer minum of 100 at 40or 50 per month 

[Donut417]

2 minutes ago, m2234323 said:

hum i think i would be look for a good provider when picking a house and wow one area they woint instalk some ohter aren then send a fiber 5mils away and up a 1/4 mill dryway 

how long is your drivway 

i think some shuld set up a petiton to deman fiir interent at a good pricer minum of 100 at 40or 50 per month 

Judging by your grammar and the lack of knowledge of how the world works Im guessing your pretty young. So let me lay it out for you. Generally ISP's have some kind of franchise agreement they enter in to with the state or local government, this agreement sets out what the ISP is required to do in terms of coverage. So as long as they are abiding by such agreements, the home owner cant do shit. 

 

ALSO, sometimes you dont know if the house can be wired until the ISP sends a crew out to look at the situation. In many instances the ISP's databases could be wrong and they cant really confirm without coming out to install service. Secondly just because @GuruOfNothing has fiber near, doesnt mean its used for supplying customers directly with internet. It could be a private line, a trunk line or used for some other purpose. You cant just cut shit in and make it work. ISP's have engineers who design the network properly. Many companies have dark fiber deployed, where customers can rent to use of these fibers. For example Charter is supplying fiber connections to a new cell site in my area. 

[m2234323]

58 minutes ago, Donut417 said:

Judging by your grammar and the lack of knowledge of how the world works Im guessing your pretty young. So let me lay it out for you. Generally ISP's have some kind of franchise agreement they enter in to with the state or local government, this agreement sets out what the ISP is required to do in terms of coverage. So as long as they are abiding by such agreements, the home owner cant do shit. 

 

ALSO, sometimes you dont know if the house can be wired until the ISP sends a crew out to look at the situation. In many instances the ISP's databases could be wrong and they cant really confirm without coming out to install service. Secondly just because @GuruOfNothing has fiber near, doesnt mean its used for supplying customers directly with internet. It could be a private line, a trunk line or used for some other purpose. You cant just cut shit in and make it work. ISP's have engineers who design the network properly. Many companies have dark fiber deployed, where customers can rent to use of these fibers. For example Charter is supplying fiber connections to a new cell site in my area. 

there is one think we can do is not live in that area that is why i said when i get my house i would be chose a areara where i can get good internet as number 1i may end up move to Vermont  or any other are taht have good internet and we can get a pettion  to get the govermnet to remove  franchise agreement or at lease change them so rasing the price each year like some one in fios are went from 150 to i think 250  same every think  can not happen 

[Donut417]

56 minutes ago, m2234323 said:

there is one think we can do is not live in that area that is why i said when i get my house i would be chose a areara where i can get good internet as number 1i may end up move to Vermont  or any other are taht have good internet and we can get a pettion  to get the govermnet to remove  franchise agreement or at lease change them so rasing the price each year like some one in fios are went from 150 to i think 250  same every think  can not happen 

What you speak is communism and socialism. Better not let the ultra conservatives hear this blasphemy. We are a free market economy and ISP's have the right to sell their product for the price the market feels is fair. For the record these franchise agreements are with the GOVERNMENT. State or Local generally. Varies state to state. On top of that, how do you think people in congress get elected? They need lots a cash for one. Where do you think they get this cash? DING DING DING thats right Corporations. Some of whom are telecommunications companies like AT&T, Comcast, Verizon and Charter. Oh and this is not just at the Federal Level, in several states, state governments have banned municipal fiber, basically government ran ISPs. While Muni Fiber might be a good idea, it takes a lot of capital to make happen. So either private businesses need to help or the government raises taxes and or takes out a bond. Any way you look at it, the tax payer is mostly on the hook for the bill. BUT the good thing is, if the Government runs the services, under US Federal Law they cant make a profit. Meaning, they can only charge enough to build out, maintain and payroll for the staff. BUT this is not likely to happen in most areas due to Citizens United. 

 

Vermont might be an ok state to live in. Thats Bernie Sanders state, I wouldnt mind having him as a senator. 

 

 

[m2234323]

1 minute ago, Donut417 said:

What you speak is communism and socialism. Better not let the ultra conservatives hear this blasphemy. We are a free market economy and ISP's have the right to sell their product for the price the market feels is fair. For the record these franchise agreements are with the GOVERNMENT. State or Local generally. Varies state to state. On top of that, how do you think people in congress get elected? They need lots a cash for one. Where do you think they get this cash? DING DING DING thats right Corporations. Some of whom are telecommunications companies like AT&T, Comcast, Verizon and Charter. Oh and this is not just at the Federal Level, in several states, state governments have banned municipal fiber, basically government ran ISPs. While Muni Fiber might be a good idea, it takes a lot of capital to make happen. So either private businesses need to help or the government raises taxes and or takes out a bond. Any way you look at it, the tax payer is mostly on the hook for the bill. BUT the good thing is, if the Government runs the services, under US Federal Law they cant make a profit. Meaning, they can only charge enough to build out, maintain and payroll for the staff. BUT this is not likely to happen in most areas due to Citizens United. 

 

Vermont might be an ok state to live in. Thats Bernie Sanders state, I wouldnt mind having him as a senator. 

 

 

i am just saying that some think are regulated  like milk  all i was wanting is the scam that is new people get 100/100 for 50 but we are stuck at 120 a month to stop i wish there werer more isp  like ting and such that just have a good rate non of this get a 6month free nexflix  on us  which just mean they add the price down the road or make old customer pay it 

[Donut417]

Just now, m2234323 said:

i am just saying that some think are regulated  like milk  all i was wanting is the scam that is new people get 100/100 for 50 but we are stuck at 120 a month to stop i wish there werer more isp  like ting and such that just have a good rate non of this get a 6month free nexflix  on us  which just mean they add the price down the road or make old customer pay it 

Good luck with that. Unless state governments start regulating it, it wont get done. Remember the FCC has limited control over ISP, thus doesn't have the authority to really tell them what to do as far as data caps, Throttling and pricing. Also, with states enforcing their NN laws, its a waiting game to see if these hold up in Federal Court. As its not clear is states have the authority to regulate internet providers as technically speaking ISP's fall under interstate commerce with falls under the Federal Government. Also keep in mind that regulations tend to cost us consumers more. More regulations mean more fees ISPs tag on to the bill to cover the fees the government will charge them to administer these regulations.