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[tfvanh]

Hey,

 

Currently looking to build a new PC. I have been upgrading parts for years but since the new generation cpu's requires a new mobo aswell I figured I'd just upgrade the whole rig to be able to sell my current system as a whole.

 

Primarly going to be used for gaming on 1080p, and may look into 1440p gaming in the future (screens are still quite expensive as I want 2 of them). Wanted to check if there's nothing major i'm messing up, or if you guys may have any suggestions for better alternatives. I think it's worth if it's a bit more expensive, if the it's a great gain for what I want to do (2060 will never run 1440p? 2070 will, that would be worth the upgrade). Besides gaming it's used for design software such as AutoCAD/Revit, which currently runs smooth already so not to worried about that. Rendering isn't really happening alot, so mostly just drawing (no need for a better cpu/gpu purely for faster rendering)

 

Games I play currently Tom Clancy's The Division 2, also running smooth but settings are quite low and backgroud programs cant be run. I can't run a youtube video on my 2nd monitor while playing division 2 for instance. I like to play games on a decently high fps 60-80 on 1080p but with 1440p in the future that might also mean 144 hz. I tend to play City Skylines aswell, which really had issues the bigger the city got mostly due to RAM/CPU for what I understand.

 

I'd love to play on high/ultra graphic settings but if I do decide to get 2x 144 hz 1440p screen I wouldn't mind turning that down to get a decent framerate & value out of the new monitor.

 

The budget I have about 1500 euro's purchasing the parts in the Netherlands, the parts I currently choose sum up to a total of about 1200 euro's. There's some room for upgrades, if that would be worth it for 'x'  reason.

 

Intel Core i5-9600K Boxed € 275,50

MSI Z390-A PRO € 124,90

MSI GeForce RTX 2060 GAMING Z 6G € 409,-

Thermaltake View 27 € 55,95

2x Corsair Vengeance LPX CMK16GX4M2B3200C16 € 111,01

Samsung 970 EVO 500GB € 119,99

 

With the total being around 1200 euros.

May add a CPU active cooler, not looking to overclock but it can get really hot in my room and for the price I'd say that's worth it. On top of that currently I have a PSU of 550W, may look to buy a new one but looks like its enough for the setup. OS windows 10 will be on the 970, combined with the Samsung 860 EVO I currently use to install programs/games on.

 

Do you guys see any problems, or have any input to improvements? I know 32 GB of RAM is (a little) overkill, however compared to the 16 GB I currently have running at 2300 Mhz that is something I won't have to change for a long while whilst getting good performance with designing software which benefits alot from RAM as far as I know. What I have most doubts about is the CPU and GPU, I looked into the Ryzen 7 2700x but since im going to use it mostly for gaming I have been told the SC speed of the i5 gives me more benefit. Besides that also the RTX 2060 seemingly isnt worth upgrading to from my current GTX 1060. I think 2070 is to expensive, and i don't really like buying a 2nd hand 1080 Titan used for bitmining or something.

[Sychic]

1. You need a cpu cooler. That CPU doesn't come with a stock cooler.

2. If you're willing to wait, Ryzen 3000 should have faster speeds and be cheaper than Intel CPU's.

3. I believe Linus's review of the 1660 said that the value of 1660ti was the best for upgrading from a 1060... you might want to look into that

[LukeSavenije]

29 minutes ago, tfvanh said:

MSI Z390-A PRO € 124,90 

remove that

[tfvanh]

26 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said:

remove that

What would be a better option? I'd like to have atleast 1 M.2. slot and ofcourse something that fits the new gen. CPU's. 

[tfvanh]

49 minutes ago, Sychic said:

1. You need a cpu cooler. That CPU doesn't come with a stock cooler.

2. If you're willing to wait, Ryzen 3000 should have faster speeds and be cheaper than Intel CPU's.

3. I believe Linus's review of the 1660 said that the value of 1660ti was the best for upgrading from a 1060... you might want to look into that

Oh right forgot to mention the CPU cooler, definatly getting that yeah. I was looking into ryzen CPU's but people keep telling me to get the i5 for the single core speed. For multicore, either 2700x or whatever they bring with the 3000 series is definatly better, not sure which one to go for between ryzen 2700x/3000 series and intel i5. Prices are fairly simular so that's not the issue between the options. Lastly I did watch the review of the 1660 ti, might have to look at that again. Thanks for the reply!

[LukeSavenije]

1 minute ago, tfvanh said:

What would be a better option? I'd like to have atleast 1 M.2. slot and ofcourse something that fits the new gen. CPU's. 

anything from this list, at least tier b, but higher is better

[LukeSavenije]

Just now, tfvanh said:

I was looking into ryzen CPU's but people keep telling me to get the i5 for the single core speed.

why not get a 2600 and upgrade to a zen 2 chip down the line?

[tfvanh]

1 minute ago, LukeSavenije said:

anything from this list, at least tier b, but higher is better

My guess is the MSI Z370 isn't highly rated on the list. I'll take a look.

[martward]

51 minutes ago, tfvanh said:

2060 will never run 1440p?

2060 will run 1440p just fine, as long as your expectations are realistic. This means that in certain (future) titles you'll need to set the quality settings lower than ultra and probably RT won't really make sense (though I don't think you'll be having a good time with raytracing at 1440p on a 2070 tbh). I upgraded from a 1060 to a 2060 and the difference really is quite noticeable since the 2060 is just way faster.

Personally I would wait for zen2 (Ryzen 3rd gen) before upgrading.

I'm not a huge fan of that case. It looks sick but has rather limited cooling options.

[LukeSavenije]

Just now, tfvanh said:

My guess is the MSI Z370 isn't highly rated on the list. I'll take a look.

it's just that board, it's more a office oriented one

[tfvanh]

3 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said:

why not get a 2600 and upgrade to a zen 2 chip down the line?

For the price/reviews/performance of the i5, that's definatly worth it for me. If i'd go for AMD, I would wait for the next generation, and probably go for the 2700x variant instead of the 2600x one mostly because of the additional benefits multicore has for graphical design. It's not needed, but feel like I might aswell go for the upgrade. The price difference between i5 and i7 is to big though.

[LukeSavenije]

Just now, tfvanh said:

For the price/reviews/performance of the i5, that's definatly worth it for me. If i'd go for AMD, I would wait for the next generation, and probably go for the 2700x variant instead of the 2600x one mostly because of the additional benefits multicore has for graphical design. It's not needed, but feel like I might aswell go for the upgrade. The price difference between i5 and i7 is to big though.

zen2 might drop in 2 months, but it's your choice. the 8600k/9600k is a good processor

[tfvanh]

6 minutes ago, martward said:

2060 will run 1440p just fine, as long as your expectations are realistic. This means that in certain (future) titles you'll need to set the quality settings lower than ultra and probably RT won't really make sense (though I don't think you'll be having a good time with raytracing at 1440p on a 2070 tbh). I upgraded from a 1060 to a 2060 and the difference really is quite noticeable since the 2060 is just way faster.

Personally I would wait for zen2 (Ryzen 3rd gen) before upgrading.

I'm not a huge fan of that case. It looks sick but has rather limited cooling options.

Yea the 2060 1440p thing was an example, good to know it is running fine. Obviously with the right expectations. I'm not quite sure about the ryzen, when do the new generations usually come out?

 

Regarding the case, idk I justpicked one. Not looking for water cooling tbh. Not even looking at it. (the case)

[tfvanh]

3 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said:

zen2 might drop in 2 months, but it's your choice. the 8600k/9600k is a good processor

Would probably end up going for the 9600k due to the good things I've heard about it, and look into a different MOBO to support it

[LukeSavenije]

1 minute ago, tfvanh said:

Would probably end up going for the 9600k due to the good things I've heard about it, and look into a different MOBO to support it

yeah, again, 9600k is a good one

 

just look around for that mobo and show me what you got, then I'll give my opinion on it too

[martward]

6 minutes ago, tfvanh said:

Yea the 2060 1440p thing was an example, good to know it is running fine. Obviously with the right expectations. I'm not quite sure about the ryzen, when do the new generations usually come out?

 

Regarding the case, idk I justpicked one. Not looking for water cooling tbh. Not even looking at it. (the case)

They are currently expected to arrive in June or July. I mean there's nothing wrong with the 9600K except that it's rather expensive. If the IPC improvements are as good as rumored Ryzen 3rd gen will basically crush Intel's lineup on every front. But then again these are rumors and AMD has disappointed me before.

 

[tfvanh]

3 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said:

yeah, again, 9600k is a good one

 

just look around for that mobo and show me what you got, then I'll give my opinion on it too

Well I looked at S and A tier, but thats a bit outside of my price range. But how about the MSI MPG Z390 Gaming Pro 9https://tweakers.net/pricewatch/1252491/msi-mpg-z390-gaming-pro-carbon/specificaties/) MSI MPG is B tier if not mistaken, has 2 M.2 Slots and in price range.

[tfvanh]

1 minute ago, martward said:

They are currently expected to arrive in June or July. I mean there's nothing wrong with the 9600K except that it's rather expensive. If the IPC improvements are as good as rumored Ryzen 3rd gen will basically crush Intel's lineup on every front. But then again these are rumors and AMD has disappointed me before.

 

Haha fair enough, to me the i5 for 280 is a fairly good price. That being said, I started out looking for an i7, so compared to those I went to AMD which just blew my away price wise. But due to SC performance I came back to a fairly reasonable price of the i5. Probably going for that one then, as June/July I want to have upgraded my Rig already.

[LukeSavenije]

1 minute ago, tfvanh said:

Well I looked at S and A tier, but thats a bit outside of my price range. But how about the MSI MPG Z390 Gaming Pro 9https://tweakers.net/pricewatch/1252491/msi-mpg-z390-gaming-pro-carbon/specificaties/) MSI MPG is B tier if not mistaken, has 2 M.2 Slots and in price range.

because i have the z370 version of it, i can tell you it's sufficient for your use

 

but you could also look into a aorus elite/pro or asrock extreme4 too

[tfvanh]

1 minute ago, LukeSavenije said:

because i have the z370 version of it, i can tell you it's sufficient for your use

 

but you could also look into a aorus elite/pro or asrock extreme4 too

Until this time around I have never actually looked at mobo's, are they that impactful? 

[LukeSavenije]

Just now, tfvanh said:

Until this time around I have never actually looked at mobo's, are they that impactful? 

well, part of it is just features (rgb, onboard sound, things like that), part is connectivity (fans, pcie cards (gpu too), hdds, things like that)

 

but there's also the power delivery part, which can vary wildly between some, and that's where i mostly focused on when working on that tier list

 

the pro carbon uses a fat 4+ 2 phase (8 phases in parallel with two for the integrated graphics) and the boards mentioned above run a 12+1/2 phase, which makes it have more solid power

 

and they look pretty similar look and pricewise, that's why i suggested them

[tfvanh]

12 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said:

well, part of it is just features (rgb, onboard sound, things like that), part is connectivity (fans, pcie cards (gpu too), hdds, things like that)

 

but there's also the power delivery part, which can vary wildly between some, and that's where i mostly focused on when working on that tier list

 

the pro carbon uses a fat 4+ 2 phase (8 phases in parallel with two for the integrated graphics) and the boards mentioned above run a 12+1/2 phase, which makes it have more solid power

 

and they look pretty similar look and pricewise, that's why i suggested them

Oh sweet, I'll check out those more later today. And make a decision on that one, also goes for the 1660 Ti vs 2060.

Completely off topic, but thanks for the help. Question though, where would one need a 550 euro mobo for? Thats quite insane compared to like 180 euros 

[LukeSavenije]

4 minutes ago, tfvanh said:

Oh sweet, I'll check out those more later today. And make a decision on that one, also goes for the 1660 Ti vs 2060.

Completely off topic, but thanks for the help. Question though, where would one need a 550 euro mobo for? Thats quite insane compared to like 180 euros 

good reasons. the mobos of that level are either meant for extreme overclocking, or for server/workstation use.

 

in your case, you don't need it, so there's no need for you in that part

[tfvanh]

5 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said:

good reasons. the mobos of that level are either meant for extreme overclocking, or for server/workstation use.

 

in your case, you don't need it, so there's no need for you in that part

Haha good, thanks man ^_^

 

[LukeSavenije]

4 minutes ago, tfvanh said:

Haha good, thanks man

 

no problem

 

anything else i can help with?