Vega vii or second hand 1080ti

[DragonsRift]

Looking to replace my 780 and with the new Vega coming out I was wondering what you guys think i should do in terms of getting the new card or buying a second hand 1080ti on eBay 

[BobVonBob]

Nobody knows how the new Vega card will actually perform, the answer depends almost entirely on that.

[r2724r16]

Hey guys, I wanna replace my 970 and the RTX 9080 is coming out, should I get that or a used 1080 Ti.

 

No one can answer these types of questions because we don't know what the performance will look like. Similarly, we don't know how powerful the new Vega card(s) will be, so I suggest you wait until benchmarks come out to decide what GPU to get.

 

I think that the 1080 Ti will perform better than the upcoming Vega card, although this is just speculation.

[Princess Luna]

GTX 1080 Ti might still be faster and consume less power.

 

I would go with it, I own a 1080 Ti myself and it's still what? realistically speaking taking the brainless overpriced TITAN cards out the picture the 2nd fastest gaming card on the market tied up with the RTX 2080 and only behind the RTX 2080 Ti.

 

If that is not enough do think that second hand prices are attractive, the 1080 Ti also supports FreeSync now... it's an amazing card... the Radeon 7 won't support Ray Tracing either so it's not like you'll be missing DXR, also have in mind if you wanna play at 3440x1440p ultrawide or 4k the 1080 Ti has 3gb more VRAM than the Radeon 7 if we go by the latest Resident Evil 2 benchmarks VRAM at 4k is starting to actually really matter.

 

With all that having been said I'd honestly not bother with AMD, if they had brought Navi already maybe but this Vega 2.0? it's a big meh... specially at 700 US$ MSRP.

 

Go straight with the GTX 1080 Ti, you won't really regret it.

[Jurrunio]

1080ti if below $450. You can get 2080 for $700 today, which is a new card that can use RTX features just fine.

[DragonsRift]

3 minutes ago, Geography said:

Hey guys, I wanna replace my 970 and the RTX 9080 is coming out, should I get that or a used 1080 Ti.

 

No one can answer these types of questions because we don't know what the performance will look like. Similarly, we don't know how powerful the new Vega card(s) will be, so I suggest you wait until benchmarks come out to decide what GPU to get.

Alright so waiting seems to be the optimal strategy here

[Firewrath9]

7 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

t 3440x1440p ultrawide or 4k the 1080 Ti has 3gb more VRAM than the Radeon 7 

the radeon 7 has 16GB of vram, so it has 5GB more, it also has 2x the memory bandwidth as the 1080 ti (1TB/s vs 484GB/s)

 

OP: I'd only get the 1080 ti if its 50$ or more cheaper than a 700$ vega VII/2080.

[Princess Luna]

2 minutes ago, Firewrath9 said:

the radeon 7 has 16GB of vram, so it has 5GB more, it also has 2x the memory bandwidth as the 1080 ti (1TB/s vs 484GB/s)

Sorry I brain derp apparently, thought it was still 8gb of HBM2... you know how it is, too much to keep track of for a single mind

 

Regardless, the bandwidth is rather completely meaningless for gaming, these cards are not starving on it at all, the Radeon 7 will have far more than it truly needs just like the Fury X had far more bandwidth it needed but lacked actual VRAM turning it into a poop.

 

Not saying there aren't workloads that can benefit from the rather awkward and expensive memory configuration on the Radeon 7 but Gaming ain't one.

[SupaKomputa]

Memory bandwidth are useless in games. AMD usually have the upperhand in theoritical specs, but in reality it is fruitless.

Nvidia usually defeat it with highly optimized divers and more support from the software developer.

[Firewrath9]

1 minute ago, Princess Cadence said:

Sorry I brain derp apparently, thought it was still 8gb of HBM2... you know how it is, too much to keep track of for a single mind

 

Regardless, the bandwidth is rather completely meaningless for gaming, these cards are not starving on it at all, the Radeon 7 will have far more than it truly needs just like the Fury X had far more bandwidth it needed but lacked actual VRAM turning it into a poop.

 

Not saying there aren't workloads that can benefit from the rather awkward and expensive memory configuration on the Radeon 7 but Gaming ain't one.

I hope that AMD makes like a Vega 32-40 (i.e RX 580 level stuff), with 12-16gb of regular vram, because that would be amazing for machine learning and training. And make it have full INT8/FP16 support.

 

yeah, I'll agree that 16GB of HBM is abosolutely useless. mabye remove one of the HBM packages, so 12GB of vram, and 768GB/s of bandwidth, then perhaps reduce the price by 50$, or make it 20mm longer, and make the fans bigger, for better cooling (those stock fans are ugly)

[Firewrath9]

Just now, SupaKomputa said:

Memory bandwidth are useless in games. AMD usually have the upperhand in theoritical specs, but in reality it is fruitless.

Nvidia usually defeat it with highly optimized divers and more support from the software developer.

not really, some games have good async compute, which is where AMD excels.

[SupaKomputa]

Okay take for example the RX560 vs 1050 2gb (its equivalent).

30% more gflops, 40% more shaders, 30% more texture unit.

gtx wins in higher clock speed, but in games its mostly defeated RX560.

And in Cuda optimized programs, like Adobe and most other popular programs, it can be twice faster

But its catching up as more developer optimizing opencl.