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Assuming you don't win or lose the silicon lottery (5.0ghz before temps and voltages go too high for a 240mm AIO), which coolers can cool the 8600k to only 4.8ghz, only 4.9ghz, and 5.0ghz?

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Basically any decent air cooler or AIO will handle the 8600K.

 

If you're shooting for 5Ghz, I would look at a high end air cooler or a higher end, larger AIO.

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1 minute ago, Crunchy Dragon said:

Basically any decent air cooler or AIO will handle the 8600K.

 

If you're shooting for 5Ghz, I would look at a high end air cooler or a higher end, larger AIO.

Sorry, but I don't have the point of reference for "decent". 

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Just now, ears_ears said:

Sorry, but I don't have the point of reference for "decent". 

BeQuiet! Dark Rock/Dark Rock Pro series, the more expensive Noctua coolers, most expensive Cryorig for air coolers.

 

For AIOs, you want a lot of radiator surface area, such as a 280mm or 360mm radiator. I'd recommend Corsair's AIOs personally, as they seem to be the best around.

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2 minutes ago, Crunchy Dragon said:

For AIOs, you want a lot of radiator surface area, such as a 280mm or 360mm radiator. I'd recommend Corsair's AIOs personally, as they seem to be the best around.

I don't really think brand matters in AIOs. Asetek is the OEM of almost all AIOs currently on the market, with the same design, the only difference being surface area. But feel free to correct me.

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2 minutes ago, ears_ears said:

I don't really think brand matters in AIOs. Asetek is the OEM of almost all AIOs currently on the market, with the same design, the only difference being surface area. But feel free to correct me.

NZXT Kraken X62 coolers have a higher failure rate, despite being essentially the same hardware as found in Corsair's AIOs.

 

I don't know much about Thermaltake or Cooler Master AIOs, but I've found Corsair to largely be the best and most reliable.

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16 minutes ago, ears_ears said:

which coolers can cool the 8600k to only 4.8ghz, only 4.9ghz, and 5.0ghz?

honestly still the same bunch of coolers :)

 

 

tier 5 is just enough, I'd aim for tier 4 or better to lower noise levels.

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: HP EX920 1TB PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + Crucial MX500 1TB 2.5" SATA SSD, 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally, 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172) left outside Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

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5 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

honestly still the same bunch of coolers :)

 

 

tier 5 is just enough, I'd aim for tier 4 or better to lower noise levels.

Sorry, but I'm not going to trust a list that puts the Scythe Mugen 5 in tier 3 and the Macho Direct / Windale 6 2 tiers below even though they're all within a single degree of each other.

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42 minutes ago, ears_ears said:

Assuming you don't win or lose the silicon lottery (5.0ghz before temps and voltages go too high for a 240mm AIO), which coolers can cool the 8600k to only 4.8ghz, only 4.9ghz, and 5.0ghz?

i think i was using 135w on a 5.1 oc? somewhere around there, so check the tdp rating on the coolers.

5950x 1.33v 5.05 4.5 88C 195w ll R20 12k ll drp4 ll x570 dark hero ll gskill 4x8gb 3666 14-14-14-32-320-24-2T (zen trfc)  1.45v 45C 1.15v soc ll 6950xt gaming x trio 325w 60C ll samsung 970 500gb nvme os ll sandisk 4tb ssd ll 6x nf12/14 ippc fans ll tt gt10 case ll evga g2 1300w ll w10 pro ll 34GN850B ll AW3423DW

 

9900k 1.36v 5.1avx 4.9ring 85C 195w (daily) 1.02v 4.3ghz 80w 50C R20 temps score=5500 ll D15 ll Z390 taichi ult 1.60 bios ll gskill 4x8gb 14-14-14-30-280-20 ddr3666bdie 1.45v 45C 1.22sa/1.18 io  ll EVGA 30 non90 tie ftw3 1920//10000 0.85v 300w 71C ll  6x nf14 ippc 2000rpm ll 500gb nvme 970 evo ll l sandisk 4tb sata ssd +4tb exssd backup ll 2x 500gb samsung 970 evo raid 0 llCorsair graphite 780T ll EVGA P2 1200w ll w10p ll NEC PA241w ll pa32ucg-k

 

prebuilt 5800 stock ll 2x8gb ddr4 cl17 3466 ll oem 3080 0.85v 1890//10000 290w 74C ll 27gl850b ll pa272w ll w11

 

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23 minutes ago, ears_ears said:

Sorry, but I'm not going to trust a list that puts the Scythe Mugen 5 in tier 3 and the Macho Direct / Windale 6 2 tiers below even though they're all within a single degree of each other.

You could ask why @WoodenMarker put them that way, not like moderators here refuse to communicate of anything

 

I myself just buy 140mm dual towers because my case can hold them :P

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: HP EX920 1TB PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + Crucial MX500 1TB 2.5" SATA SSD, 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally, 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172) left outside Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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4 hours ago, ears_ears said:

Sorry, but I'm not going to trust a list that puts the Scythe Mugen 5 in tier 3 and the Macho Direct / Windale 6 2 tiers below even though they're all within a single degree of each other.

The tiers aren't determined by a specific temperature difference. It's not like 1c difference means the same performance gap in all situations. The goal is to determine the better cooler when performance otherwise seems similar. This means looking for more differences than similarities. The result is a list where there shouldn't be a cooler that sticks out as a much better or worse performer compared to coolers of the same tier because they're similar. 

 

Depending on what your criteria is, the Mugen 5, Macho Direct, and Windale can all be similar. But if you had to pick the best of the 3? Which would it be?

5 hours ago, ears_ears said:

to only 4.8ghz, only 4.9ghz, and 5.0ghz?

Real life results for cooling are too complicated to practically predict and calculate. Everyone who has a job related to cooling just overcompensates for what's roughly expected instead of aiming for exactly what's necessary. The best you can get is an educated guess.

 

You can see some examples of oc'ed 8600k's here: https://pcpartpicker.com/builds/by_part/Mr2rxr#C=1

 

Moved to Air Cooling. 

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The jigahertz questions is irrelevant. It really is. Clocks don't raise temps, not in same multitude as voltages do. So when looking for  cooler, you don't look for 100MHz changes. You look at mild OC (100-300MHz above stock/turbo), average (300-700MHz above stock/turbo) or high which is max you should be able to get. For mild OC you can go off easily with budget cooler, even on toastier CPUs. But for midrange you need midrange cooler and for high, high/top-end cooler. There are CPUs that would benefit from triple rads if you aim to top.

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