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Hello all! Sorry for being such a noob, but I can't seem to find a straight answer from Google on this one. I'm building a new rig (found here: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/PhvpJ8) and I'm thinking about putting in an AIO liquid cooler on the cpu for those good looks. But I've seen whispers here and there that AIOs can present the problem of overheating the VRM and RAM.

However, some seem to say not to worry about it too much. There's even the ASUS Ryujin that has a fan in the waterblock to cool those parts, but it's kinda expensive (I got many of my parts for good deals on black Friday prices and the wife has me on a budget), and rumored to be a little loud.

So, I thought I would get your opinions on the matter. Do I need to do some additional cooling beyond the AIO and a case fan or two to keep the VRM and RAM nice and cool? Are AIOs a waste of time with an air cooler being a better option? 

 

Note: I'm a noob, and although a custom loop would be neat, I really wouldn't know what I was doing and would rather not go that route. 

 

No immediate plans to overclock, but I like to tinker and may go that route in the future. 

 

Thanks in advance, and please don't hate on my RGB. ;D

 

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With this board, you will need a lot of airflow to the VRM. That's what happens when you use an underwhelming board. The memory stick doesnt need specialized cooling, just the case airflow is enough (unless you raise memory voltage greatly beyond the 1.35v setting XMP profiles use).

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2 minutes ago, frysauce01 said:

Hello all! Sorry for being such a noob, but I can't seem to find a straight answer from Google on this one. I'm building a new rig (found here: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/PhvpJ8) and I'm thinking about putting in an AIO liquid cooler on the cpu for those good looks. But I've seen whispers here and there that AIOs can present the problem of overheating the VRM and RAM.

However, some seem to say not to worry about it too much. There's even the ASUS Ryujin that has a fan in the waterblock to cool those parts, but it's kinda expensive (I got many of my parts for good deals on black Friday prices and the wife has me on a budget), and rumored to be a little loud.

So, I thought I would get your opinions on the matter. Do I need to do some additional cooling beyond the AIO and a case fan or two to keep the VRM and RAM nice and cool? Are AIOs a waste of time with an air cooler being a better option? 

 

Note: I'm a noob, and although a custom loop would be neat, I really wouldn't know what I was doing and would rather not go that route. 

 

No immediate plans to overclock, but I like to tinker and may go that route in the future. 

 

Thanks in advance, and please don't hate on my RGB. ;D

 

with that retarded motherboard yes, the VRM's "might" overheat depending on the workload regardless if you're using an AIO or Air Cooler since there's no heatsink on the VRM's either way to cool it.

 

that motherboard is intended for the low end Ryzen CPU's, not the Midrange or High End

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PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
Type Item Price
CPU AMD - Ryzen 5 2600 3.4 GHz 6-Core Processor $169.99 @ Amazon
Motherboard Gigabyte - B450 AORUS ELITE ATX AM4 Motherboard $89.99 @ Newegg
Memory Corsair - Vengeance RGB 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory $119.99 @ Amazon
Storage Intel - 660p Series 512 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive $84.99 @ Amazon
Storage Gigabyte - UD PRO 512 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive $59.99 @ Newegg
Video Card Asus - Radeon RX 580 8 GB ROG STRIX Video Card $359.99 @ B&H
Case Phanteks - Eclipse P350X (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case $69.99 @ Amazon
Power Supply EVGA - SuperNOVA G3 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply $65.88 @ OutletPC
  Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts  
  Total (before mail-in rebates) $1040.81
  Mail-in rebates -$20.00
  Total $1020.81
  Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-11-30 21:52 EST-0500  

 

here's an update to your list, and you can get an AIO with this one.

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6 minutes ago, syn2112 said:

@frysauce01

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
Type Item Price
CPU AMD - Ryzen 5 2600 3.4 GHz 6-Core Processor $169.99 @ Amazon
Motherboard Gigabyte - B450 AORUS ELITE ATX AM4 Motherboard $89.99 @ Newegg
Memory Corsair - Vengeance RGB 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory $119.99 @ Amazon
Storage Intel - 660p Series 512 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive $84.99 @ Amazon
Storage Gigabyte - UD PRO 512 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive $59.99 @ Newegg
Video Card Asus - Radeon RX 580 8 GB ROG STRIX Video Card $359.99 @ B&H
Case Phanteks - Eclipse P350X (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case $69.99 @ Amazon
Power Supply EVGA - SuperNOVA G3 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply $65.88 @ OutletPC
  Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts  
  Total (before mail-in rebates) $1040.81
  Mail-in rebates -$20.00
  Total $1020.81
  Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-11-30 21:52 EST-0500  

 

here's an update to your list, and you can get an AIO with this one.

I see. Is there a board of the ASUS variety that would be a better suit for the processor? I was kind of entertaining the idea of having an aura sync capable one. 

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2 minutes ago, frysauce01 said:

I see. Is there a board of the ASUS variety that would be a better suit for the processor? I was kind of entertaining the idea of having an aura sync capable one. 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
Type Item Price
CPU AMD - Ryzen 5 2600 3.4 GHz 6-Core Processor $169.99 @ Amazon
Motherboard Asus - ROG STRIX B450-F GAMING ATX AM4 Motherboard $109.99 @ Newegg
Memory Corsair - Vengeance RGB 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory $119.99 @ Amazon
Storage Intel - 660p Series 512 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive $84.99 @ Amazon
Storage Gigabyte - UD PRO 512 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive $59.99 @ Newegg
Video Card Asus - Radeon RX 580 8 GB ROG STRIX Video Card $359.99 @ B&H
Case Phanteks - Eclipse P350X (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case $69.99 @ Amazon
Power Supply EVGA - SuperNOVA G3 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply $65.88 @ OutletPC
  Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts  
  Total (before mail-in rebates) $1060.81
  Mail-in rebates -$20.00
  Total $1040.81
  Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-11-30 22:07 EST-0500  

 

I wouldn't go any lower than this with ASUS, they're not really known for "the best" VRM's on cheap motherboards, but this is good enough and you shouldn't have any issues

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13 hours ago, syn2112 said:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
Type Item Price
CPU AMD - Ryzen 5 2600 3.4 GHz 6-Core Processor $169.99 @ Amazon
Motherboard Asus - ROG STRIX B450-F GAMING ATX AM4 Motherboard $109.99 @ Newegg
Memory Corsair - Vengeance RGB 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory $119.99 @ Amazon
Storage Intel - 660p Series 512 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive $84.99 @ Amazon
Storage Gigabyte - UD PRO 512 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive $59.99 @ Newegg
Video Card Asus - Radeon RX 580 8 GB ROG STRIX Video Card $359.99 @ B&H
Case Phanteks - Eclipse P350X (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case $69.99 @ Amazon
Power Supply EVGA - SuperNOVA G3 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply $65.88 @ OutletPC
  Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts  
  Total (before mail-in rebates) $1060.81
  Mail-in rebates -$20.00
  Total $1040.81
  Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-11-30 22:07 EST-0500  

 

I wouldn't go any lower than this with ASUS, they're not really known for "the best" VRM's on cheap motherboards, but this is good enough and you shouldn't have any issues

What if I were to apply aftermarket heatsinks to my original board? If I put the radiator on the front of the case and used case fans in the top and rear, combined with some applied heatsinks, that should be enough, right? 

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10 minutes ago, frysauce01 said:

What if I were to apply aftermarket heatsinks to my original board? If I put the radiator on the front of the case and used case fans in the top and rear, combined with some applied heatsinks, that should be enough, right? 

you're talking about the B450M-A? where are you gonna find aftermarket VRM heatsinks?

 

and if you did somehow manage to find a heatsink then yeah it should be enough even if you make the top and rear fans to blow air out instead of in

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25 minutes ago, frysauce01 said:

, that should be enough, right? 

just get a few 10mm 40x40 noctua's and use them to blast air on the VRM, 

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prefer some nice copper sinks myself. All sorts of sizes available. 

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12 minutes ago, Mick Naughty said:

prefer some nice copper sinks myself. All sorts of sizes available. 

nice :)    i got 20-30 of those myself that are fun to mess with  and a round Enzotech NB heatsink thats very similar in design but a 47mm round. and 2" tall

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