Ryzen 3 2200g Bottleneck with 2070

[Hurlan]

Hi guys, I have put together just a cheap build and was looking at graphics cards I could get for it, i was going to get a 1070ti but for reasons now I may be getting a msi rtx 2070 gaming z, I am just wondering will I bottleneck and how bad? Like could I still play games or what 

 

[Jurrunio]

You can definitely play games, but don't expect it to give better frame rates than a 1060 6gb would in many cases.

[Spotty]

What resolution are you playing at? 1080p? 1440p? 4k?

[NelizMastr]

25 minutes ago, Hurlan said:

Hi guys, I have put together just a cheap build and was looking at graphics cards I could get for it, i was going to get a 1070ti but for reasons now I may be getting a msi rtx 2070 gaming z, I am just wondering will I bottleneck and how bad? Like could I still play games or what 

 

What makes you believe a $500 graphics card pairs well with a $99 CPU? Unless you're playing at 4K you're basically running the card at half performance. Might as well upgrade to a Ryzen 5 2600 in the process.

[Morgan MLGman]

2200G is not perfect for high-end GPUs, not only it's not fast-enough due to having only 4 threads, it's also limited to PCI-E 3.0 x8 as far as I know due to having a Vega iGPU inside. I'm not sure how significantly the latter impacts performance but even if it didn't, the CPU is not good-enough.
I have a 1080 which is around as fast as a 2070 and I've seen CPU usage spike even to almost 90% at 1440p in very CPU-demanding games like Battlefield 1. Keep in mind that I have a heavily overclocked i7-6700K which is miles better than the 2200G (around 70% faster multithreaded performance). If you're going to be playing at 1080p then the bottleneck will be even more significant.

I suggest you really switch that CPU to an R5 2600 which is perfect for this GPU and is the best value CPU you can get at that price point.

[Mugenjynn]

12 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

You can definitely play games, but don't expect it to give better frame rates than a 1060 6gb would in many cases.

Would it actually bottleneck that hard?

[Jurrunio]

3 minutes ago, Mugenjynn said:

Would it actually bottleneck that hard?

1080p yes, 1440p still yes, 4K no.

[Hurlan]

13 hours ago, Morgan MLGman said:

2200G is not perfect for high-end GPUs, not only it's not fast-enough due to having only 4 threads, it's also limited to PCI-E 3.0 x8 as far as I know due to having a Vega iGPU inside. I'm not sure how significantly the latter impacts performance but even if it didn't, the CPU is not good-enough.
I have a 1080 which is around as fast as a 2070 and I've seen CPU usage spike even to almost 90% at 1440p in very CPU-demanding games like Battlefield 1. Keep in mind that I have a heavily overclocked i7-6700K which is miles better than the 2200G (around 70% faster multithreaded performance). If you're going to be playing at 1080p then the bottleneck will be even more significant.

I suggest you really switch that CPU to an R5 2600 which is perfect for this GPU and is the best value CPU you can get at that price point.

So swap my r3 2200g for an r5, or should I go even further? 

[Morgan MLGman]

25 minutes ago, Hurlan said:

So swap my r3 2200g for an r5, or should I go even further? 

R5 2600 is perfectly sufficient. No need for an 8-core right there.

[Tristerin]

25 minutes ago, Hurlan said:

So swap my r3 2200g for an r5, or should I go even further? 

I agree no *need* but if you have the funds, Id pay the bit extra for the extra overhead. 8c/16t is mmmmmmmmmmm

[mayonnaiseblackhole]

31 minutes ago, Tristerin said:

I agree no *need* but if you have the funds, Id pay the bit extra for the extra overhead. 8c/16t is mmmmmmmmmmm

It will be a long time before people really need 8 cores and it is pretty obvious that you don't have money to just splurge. What is your current system, your display resolution, and your budget?

 

[Tristerin]

11 minutes ago, DustierDolphin said:

It will be a long time before people really need 8 cores and it is pretty obvious that you don't have money to just splurge. What is your current system, your display resolution, and your budget?

 

The guy is getting a RTX 2070, so I would put a good CPU in his budget lol.  Maybe ignorance for getting an APU to begin with.

 

And as a gamer with a Ryzen 7 who monitors usage at all times - I love watching my 16 threads do work, and I guess Ill have to pay attention to which games do not use them, likely older titles but anything new...mmmmm.  

[xg32]

16 hours ago, Hurlan said:

Hi guys, I have put together just a cheap build and was looking at graphics cards I could get for it, i was going to get a 1070ti but for reasons now I may be getting a msi rtx 2070 gaming z, I am just wondering will I bottleneck and how bad? Like could I still play games or what 

 

you can play games, you'll see bottlenecks in certain games, a r5 2600 is 150usd.

[Hurlan]

Okay to give you guys better understanding of what has happened and is happening i will explain.
So pretty much I was earning shit all, and wanted to build a pc, i told my mate and he was like yeah, ill help, but if you want to cut costs we can go with an APU, so thats what we did. (Bear in mind I live in NZ and parts are expensive.)

So I built my little potato (Ryzen 3 2200G, Crucial Ballistix 1x8gb 2666, Barracuda 2tb HDD, 960 evo 250gb, Gigabyte - GA-AB350-GAMING 3, EVGA 550 G2 psu)

The thing is now, I got a new job and can afford to buy a gpu, so I asked my friend in Taiwan to look for a 1070TI for me bu they couldn't find one, just 1070, then RTX 2070 upwards, and the price difference isnt actually that big, So I am willing to dish out for a GPU but I also want to know what else I need to upgrade in my system, like how someone is saying R5 2600 is good, But I am maybe thinking why not go even further. 
I would also like recommendations of whether i should look into buy more ram and what speeds etc as I am new to this all really. Bear in mind I will need to save for a while, and the 2070 I can get it in January next year as thats when my friend flys back. for reference the 2070 is the MSI RTX 2070 Gaming Z.

[FaintLocket424]

If you want to play games at 4k then you should be fine. You may see some bottlenecking at 1440p and a lot at 1080p as the lower the rez the higher the FPS so the hards your CPU has to work. If I were you i would just swap your 2200g for a ryzen 5 1/2600. If your motherboard is x370 then get a 1600 but x470 you should get a 2600.

[mayonnaiseblackhole]

20 minutes ago, Hurlan said:

Okay to give you guys better understanding of what has happened and is happening i will explain.
So pretty much I was earning shit all, and wanted to build a pc, i told my mate and he was like yeah, ill help, but if you want to cut costs we can go with an APU, so thats what we did. (Bear in mind I live in NZ and parts are expensive.)

So I built my little potato (Ryzen 3 2200G, Crucial Ballistix 1x8gb 2666, Barracuda 2tb HDD, 960 evo 250gb, Gigabyte - GA-AB350-GAMING 3, EVGA 550 G2 psu)

The thing is now, I got a new job and can afford to buy a gpu, so I asked my friend in Taiwan to look for a 1070TI for me bu they couldn't find one, just 1070, then RTX 2070 upwards, and the price difference isnt actually that big, So I am willing to dish out for a GPU but I also want to know what else I need to upgrade in my system, like how someone is saying R5 2600 is good, But I am maybe thinking why not go even further. 
I would also like recommendations of whether i should look into buy more ram and what speeds etc as I am new to this all really. Bear in mind I will need to save for a while, and the 2070 I can get it in January next year as thats when my friend flys back. for reference the 2070 is the MSI RTX 2070 Gaming Z.

If I were you I would get the 2600 (to reduce the bottleneck and that the upgrade to a Ryzen 7 really isn't great for the almost double price.) but since you said you cannot upgrade until January you might as well wait for Ryzne 3000 which should have a great performance upgrade.  Get another stick of the same ram because Ryzen loves fast ram, and get any graphics card you are comfortable with. Just don't upgrade to the processor yet because anything but the "G" series of Ryzen Processors have integrated graphics.

[FaintLocket424]

I would recommend buying another stick of the same RAM as well (not really for ryzen as ryzen 2nd gen doesn't need fast ram as much) but because having it in dual channel mode will significantly increase the performance of your RAM. Ryzen 3rd gen hasn't even been announced yet so don't bother and it will be more expensive compared to 1st and 2nd gen ryzen.

[ShO_otist]

i have 2200g and 2070.... ( +  8x2 = 16GB 3200mhz ddr4)

To all people who talk about "bottleneck" nonsense:

it all depend on resolution you play... if your CPU is fast enough to process all gaming details, then you wont get lower fps than high end CPUs... with higher resolution you will get more details to process.

Your graphics card can utilize only 8x PCI-E 3.0 lines (due to vega8 core). It is more than enough. In real world performance you will notice 1-2fps difference compared to x16.

Both Ryzen 1st and 2nd benefit from high frequency DDR4, however things may change with Ryzen 3rd gen. (two identical ram sticks should be used anyway)

 

i tested two games with current config:

world of tanks:  ultra settings 4k, hdr  - 55 to 65 fps

assassins creed origins: ultra settings 4k, hdr , i reduced anti alising a bit  - fps ? i have not checked fps but i get smooth gameplay.

 

2200g is not bad... it is temporary solution for me as im planing to get ryzen 7 3rd gen soon

 

 

 

[mlitttler89]

There's no harm in trying. You could upgrade to a better CPU later on our wait for the next generation of Ryzen if you find the performance lacking.