4K TN or 2K IPS

[Cabdriver35]

Hello Linustechtips family ,so I will buying a new monitor and I have  two options for a monitor;

 

https://www.asus.com/Monitors/VZ27AQ/overview/

https://www.asus.com/Monitors/VP28UQG/overview/

 

And also I have gtx 1070 and I will go buy rtx 2070 when it's come out. As a result I will not able to play games in native 4K many times, except for 4K videos and old title games. So I need downscale to 2K or 1080p time to time, What do you think?  should I go with 4K or 2K ?

 

 

[Guest]

RTX 2070 should be able to handle 4K games quite well, same for gtx 1070 if you turn the settings down a bit.

I really really like IPS and would never go back, so I'd pick the IPS one.

But what do you think about this one:

LG 27UD59-B

It's got IPS and 4K, and is pretty cheap. I have 2 and they are perfect.

[Origami Cactus]

Just now, timl132 said:

RTX 2070 should be able to handle 4K games quite well, same for gtx 1070 if you turn the settings down a bit.

I really really like IPS and would never go back, so I'd pick the IPS one.

But what do you think about this one:

LG 27UD59-B

It's got IPS and 4K, and is pretty cheap. I have 2 and they are perfect.

Yeah i can vouch for the LG IPS 4k monitor too. 

No reason to get a crappy tn 4k for the same price as a good quality 4k ips from LG.

[Jurrunio]

Why on earth would they make 4K TN... The point of high resolution is high video quality. The colour reproduction and viewing angles on TN panels suck and makes quality worse...

[Cabdriver35]

33 minutes ago, timl132 said:

RTX 2070 should be able to handle 4K games quite well, same for gtx 1070 if you turn the settings down a bit.

I really really like IPS and would never go back, so I'd pick the IPS one.

But what do you think about this one:

LG 27UD59-B

It's got IPS and 4K, and is pretty cheap. I have 2 and they are perfect.

thanks for that monitor advice but I kept with 2 displays because I have migraine and I need buy a flicker free screen, otherwise your ips monitor idea is very good thanks anyway

[Guest]

17 minutes ago, Cabdriver35 said:

thanks for that monitor advice but I kept with 2 displays because I have migraine and I need buy a flicker free screen, otherwise your ips monitor idea is very good thanks anyway

I tried the fan test with my monitor and there is no flicker, I also checked the specs of my monitor and it says it's "Flicker safe", so I think my monitor is flicker free too.

Source: https://www.lg.com/us/monitors/lg-27UD59-B-4k-uhd-led-monitor

Look at the specs section

 

Edit:

I am sure my monitor is flicker free too, it uses DC backlight controll, no PWM. And my Fan test and spces page prove that.

[Cabdriver35]

3 hours ago, timl132 said:

I tried the fan test with my monitor and there is no flicker, I also checked the specs of my monitor and it says it's "Flicker safe", so I think my monitor is flicker free too.

Source: https://www.lg.com/us/monitors/lg-27UD59-B-4k-uhd-led-monitor

Look at the specs section

 

Edit:

I am sure my monitor is flicker free too, it uses DC backlight controll, no PWM. And my Fan test and spces page prove that.

really thanks for advice and after my research I am also see that "flicker safe = flicker free" so thank you very much for your time and people too 

[Cabdriver35]

13 hours ago, timl132 said:

I tried the fan test with my monitor and there is no flicker, I also checked the specs of my monitor and it says it's "Flicker safe", so I think my monitor is flicker free too.

Source: https://www.lg.com/us/monitors/lg-27UD59-B-4k-uhd-led-monitor

Look at the specs section

 

Edit:

I am sure my monitor is flicker free too, it uses DC backlight controll, no PWM. And my Fan test and spces page prove that.

do you have a  screen bleeding too much ? While researching in detail I see people complain about huge screen bleeding

[Guest]

5 hours ago, Cabdriver35 said:

do you have a  screen bleeding too much ? While researching in detail I see people complain about huge screen bleeding

Nope, not at all actually. I tried opening a white image, and a black image after that, and there is no vidible bleeding. Reviews in my country(Netherlands) are very good actually!

Edit:

The one you are probably talking about is the LG 27UD68, which had quite some issues, of wich pretty much all were fixed in the LG 27UD59-B.(Which I have 2 of)

[jones177]

Hi

 

I own 2 TN 4k monitors

 

one is a ASUS PB287Q 28".  This monitor does perfect 1440. I know this because mine is in the middle of 2 ASUS 1440 monitors. Payed around $400. You can get one for about $350.

 

My first 4k monitor was a Samsung U28E590D 28". I paid $500 in 2015 but you can get one for $340 now. Like the ASUS monitor it does a perfect 1440. 

 

The reason it is important to have a  4k monitor that does a perfect 1440 is If you don't have a GTX 1080 ti or better you will need to drop the resolution on some games. None of the 4k monitors I have used do 1080 well. All the 4k monitors I have used do 1440 well. The 4k TNs seem to do 1440 best.

 

The VZ27AQ is basically a 60hz monitor. The only advantage over 4k TN are viewing angles. To me that is pointless since I sit in front of my monitors.

Even with your 1070 you can enjoy replaying your older games at 4k. For that alone I would not replace my 4k monitor with a 1440.

 

Only a 3440 X 1440 wide screen is on par with 4k but they are expensive. 

[Cabdriver35]

22 hours ago, timl132 said:

Nope, not at all actually. I tried opening a white image, and a black image after that, and there is no vidible bleeding. Reviews in my country(Netherlands) are very good actually!

Edit:

The one you are probably talking about is the LG 27UD68, which had quite some issues, of wich pretty much all were fixed in the LG 27UD59-B.(Which I have 2 of)

so I have been looking for 27UD59-B but I have been found 27UD58-B so is that 58 also good you think?

[Guest]

4 hours ago, Cabdriver35 said:

so I have been looking for 27UD59-B but I have been found 27UD58-B so is that 58 also good you think?

https://www.displayspecifications.com/en/comparison/80f732e8e

They seems to be the same, so pick whichever one you like, the only difference I can find is the color of the stand.

So yeah, 58 is a good choice too.

[Guest]

13 hours ago, jones177 said:

None of the 4k monitors I have used do 1080 well. All the 4k monitors I have used do 1440 well. The 4k TNs seem to do 1440 best.

???You know that 1080p is 1/4th of 4K, so that will be the best? And that 1440p will just make everything fuzzy, and the point of 1440p is gone?

13 hours ago, jones177 said:

The only advantage over 4k TN are viewing angles

And color quality.(Which is REALLY worth it when watching video's or playing games with nice landscapes)

13 hours ago, jones177 said:

To me that is pointless since I sit in front of my monitors.

You don't, or at least, you'r not supposed to, people here at works and on the internet keep talking about how your eyes should be at the same height as the top of your screen, meaning your looking at the bottom of your screen form above, which is enough to wash out colors and make it difficult to see the difference between some colors.

[jones177]

7 hours ago, timl132 said:

???You know that 1080p is 1/4th of 4K, so that will be the best? And that 1440p will just make everything fuzzy, and the point of 1440p is gone?

Your monitor may look fuzzy at 1440 & great at 1080 but mine don't.

7 hours ago, timl132 said:

And color quality.(Which is REALLY worth it when watching video's or playing games with nice landscapes)

I use 4k TN 10bit panels. Their color accuracy is a bit better than your average IPS panel. TNs get a bad rap because budget ons are only 6bit. 

May favorite gaming panel is my Samsung 3440 X 1440 VA & the 4k panel I personally use is a LG 32" VA.   

Until we get affordable HDR panels I will stick with my VAs.

7 hours ago, timl132 said:

You don't, or at least, you'r not supposed to, people here at works and on the internet keep talking about how your eyes should be at the same height as the top of your screen, meaning your looking at the bottom of your screen form above, which is enough to wash out colors and make it difficult to see the difference between some colors.

I started doing 3d graphics for a living in the 80s. When you are doing that kind of intense work you tend to not move your head or blink. I learned too late that you have to sit up straight & have your eyes level with the center screen. I pay for that mistake every hour I am awake.   

 

 

 

[Guest]

6 hours ago, jones177 said:

Your monitor may look fuzzy at 1440 & great at 1080 but mine don't.

That's weird. Are you sure your monitor is 4K?

6 hours ago, jones177 said:

I use 4k TN 10bit panels. Their color accuracy is a bit better than your average IPS panel.

I have 8 bit IPS panels, but because you got more colors doesn't mean they are more accurate. The bit count is the the amount of colors your monitor can display, NOT the accuracy of them. TN's still have far worse color quality compared to IPS.

6 hours ago, jones177 said:

May favorite gaming panel is my Samsung 3440 X 1440 VA & the 4k panel I personally use is a LG 32" VA.   

Until we get affordable HDR panels I will stick with my VAs.

I agree with that, I hven't had any VA panels before, but I heard they are what you need when you care about viewing angles and pixel time/response time.(Whatever it was called) HDR panels are indeed to expensive right now, and honestly, I don't care that much about dark black's anyway.

 

[ShoshinUK]

Generally speaking,

 

The improved colour quality of IPS over TN is true, it's not a massive difference but it exists.

The improved response of TN over IPS is true, it's not a massive...........LOL as above.

 

VA does strike a sensible middle ground of both colour quality and response.

I have this monitor, i'm a gamer first focused on immersive FPS titles.

https://www.asus.com/uk/Monitors/ROG-Strix-XG32VQ/

For the price this is an outstanding gaming monitor IMO, i have been very happy with it. I don't think it would be ok for pro content creation.
 

[jones177]

6 hours ago, timl132 said:

That's weird. Are you sure your monitor is 4K?

6 hours ago, timl132 said:

I have 8 bit IPS panels, but because you got more colors doesn't mean they are more accurate. The bit count is the the amount of colors your monitor can display, NOT the accuracy of them. TN's still have far worse color quality compared to IPS.

Your panel is 10bit(8bit + A-FRC). 

 

When I bought the TNs in 2015, IPS panels were way over $800 & some used 2 panels to get 4k(no good for gaming). 

At the time I bought the monitors I did computer graphics for a living. Color accuracy was more important to me than color quality.

Color accuracy is how close a monitor portrays colors that print on CMYK printers. That is what Adobe RGB is all about.

If you are not creating images that will be printed on a CMYK pantone printer it is not really a big deal. 

 

Color quality is in the eye of the beholder.

 

 

I was introduced to this channel with this review.

6 hours ago, timl132 said:

I agree with that, I hven't had any VA panels before, but I heard they are what you need when you care about viewing angles and pixel time/response time.(Whatever it was called) HDR panels are indeed to expensive right now, and honestly, I don't care that much about dark black's anyway.

 

The 32" VA panel does 1440 well but not perfect. It my be because it is 32". Color accuracy is not even close to my TN panels but I was retiring, so it did not matter. 

[Guest]

1 hour ago, jones177 said:

Your panel is 10bit(8bit + A-FRC).

No, it's 8 bit, 8 bit+A-FRC doesn't make it 10 bit, it just uses 10 bits per color of your data cable.

1 hour ago, jones177 said:

Color accuracy was more important to me than color quality.

If you care about colour accuracy, then you need an IPS monitor, if you care about colour count, and not accuracy, then choose a 10 bit panel.(or a 10 bit IPS panel if you need both)

(I consider Color accuracy and quality to be the same btw.)

1 hour ago, jones177 said:

Color accuracy is how close a monitor portrays colors that print on CMYK printers. That is what Adobe RGB is all about.

Exactly, but you know that contradicts with what you said in the above quote? You said you have 10bit TN panels, which provide more colours, but NOT better accuracy!

1 hour ago, jones177 said:

If you are not creating images that will be printed on a CMYK pantone printer it is not really a big deal.

That's not true, camera's take pictures in sRGB or Adobe RGB(you can convert values between these 2), meaning that a picture taken with a camera will be accurate like in reality. Not just when you print something. I care about colour quality when I design a game, because with sRGB(or Adobe RGB) I know that all colors should look pretty much the same on any colour calibrated monitor. And since in game design, there are a lot of textures that are just a picture made to be seamless....