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I was looking for RAM for the Ryzen 2700x and I saw a few posts mentioning to pick RAM with Samsung B-Die, I don't even know what that is.

 

Is it something important to have?

 

How do I know if a RAM has it?

 

Thank you

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It's the best type of chips a RAM kit can currently be based on, especially useful for achieving high memory speeds on Ryzen.

 

But you don't need it, it can be pretty expensive.

 

You'll have to check lists of memory kits that other people have checked. Many kits may not have been identified yet, so it's difficult.

 

I have a 2700X with memory chips that are not B-die, heck they're not even from Samsung.

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B-die is just the best overclocker among memory dies. If you will apply XMP and not manually adjust things, then there's no need to go after Bdie. Even if you will but arent looking to smash records, you dont need B-die

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2 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

B-die is just the best overclocker among memory dies. If you will apply XMP and not manually adjust things, then there's no need to go after Bdie.

 

So if I don't plan to overclock the RAM it's pointless to look for that b-die?

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9 minutes ago, Hi P said:

 

So if I don't plan to overclock the RAM it's pointless to look for that b-die?

Yes. btw memory frequency more than 2933 is considered an overclock, so I assume you will stay on or below 2666

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

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Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

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1 minute ago, Hi P said:

 

So if I don't plan to overclock the RAM it's pointless to look for that b-die?

It isn't pointless.  If you look at more than memory speed you will see that memory timings are better with b-die kits.  They are usually kits that have their timing numbers matching.  14-14-14 or 15-15-15 or 16-16-16.  A 3200MHz Hynix kit would be 16-18-18 whereas you can find Samsunb b-die that are same speed, but faster 14-14-14 timings.  

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11 minutes ago, Sakkura said:

I have a 2700X with memory chips that are not B-die, heck they're not even from Samsung.

 

Do you mind an out of topic question?

 

I noticed the AMD website list 2933 Mhz DDR4 as the system memory for the 2700x.

 

Is that the max RAM supported or what does it mean?

 

In the case of it being the max RAM supported, what if you put a 3200 Mhz on it?

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2 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

Yes. btw memory frequency more than 2666 is considered an overclock, so I assume you will stay on or below 2666

This is not exactly true.  

 

And there is no reason to stay at or below 2666.  

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1 minute ago, Hi P said:

 

Do you mind an out of topic question?

 

I noticed the AMD website list 2933 Mhz DDR4 as the system memory.

 

Is that the max RAM supported or what does it mean?

 

In the case of it being the max RAM supported, what if you put a 3200 Mhz on it?

It is the max "supported" but it isn't the max capability.  My 2700X is currently running 3600MHz.  100% stable with pretty good timings.  

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2 minutes ago, nick name said:

This is not exactly true.  

 

And there is no reason to stay at or below 2666.  

Corrected that, it's actually 2933.

 

tell OP, not me

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Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: HP EX920 1TB PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + Crucial MX500 1TB 2.5" SATA SSD, 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally, 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172) left outside Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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2 minutes ago, nick name said:

My 2700X is currently running 3600MHz.  100% stable with pretty good timings.  

 

Nice! :D

 

Then why does AMD list the 2933 Mhz? Is it just for stability purposes or why?

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B-Die mattered a lot more with the first gen of Ryzen, specifically a certain OEM's motherboards that just flat refused to take even 3200MHz kits with Hynix memory past 2666 (if they even got that high before becoming unstable/not being recognized). Now that everyone seems to have gotten their RAM compatibility figured out for Ryzen 2000, it's not as important unless you're planning on going above 3200MHz.

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21 minutes ago, Hi P said:

 

Nice! :D

 

Then why does AMD list the 2933 Mhz? Is it just for stability purposes or why?

I guess I would say it's the highest speed they are most confident in saying "all" their chips will be able to run.  Many, if not most, will run two sticks of single-rank (single-sided) configurations at faster speeds depending on the RAM kit and motherboard.  

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