TN vs IPS? Is it really worth $300?

[ryanmassey1337]

48 minutes ago, Streetguru said:

The best time to build a PC is coming soon actually with the Ryzen APUs

 

you got a budget?

Well... I would like to play games at 60 FPS at 1440p High detail and beyond no problem... so anywhere from $1,000-$1,800... And yeah, I've heard about those Apu's and they seem very interesting. That's why I'm waiting to see what performance is like and I would like to see what Nvidia has up their sleeve.

[Streetguru]

9 minutes ago, ryanmassey1337 said:

Well... I would like to play games at 60 FPS at 1440p High detail and beyond no problem... so anywhere from $1,000-$1,800... And yeah, I've heard about those Apu's and they seem very interesting. That's why I'm waiting to see what performance is like and I would like to see what Nvidia has up their sleeve.

Their performance is basically an R5 1400 + RX 550

So it's alright* for 1080p gaming

 

and there's a number of 1080p 75Hz IPS displays to go with them

 

You don't need to spend $1000 to get a good gaming experience for now, and when GPU prices settle you can just throw in a top tier GPU and be fine for 60-75hz gaming

Just gotta sub in the new APU, it'll be $169

Overkill PSU because why not, won't need to replace it

RAM prices are still deadly though
 

PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/VT6d8K
Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/VT6d8K/by_merchant/

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1500X 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($164.49 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: ASRock - AB350M Pro4 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($74.33 @ OutletPC)
Memory: Team - Vulcan 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($92.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($46.55 @ OutletPC)
Case: Deepcool - TESSERACT SW ATX Mid Tower Case  ($39.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: SeaSonic - FOCUS Gold 750W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($89.59 @ SuperBiiz)
Monitor: LG - 24MP59G-P 23.8" 1920x1080 75Hz Monitor  ($146.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $654.93
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-01-29 00:47 EST-0500

[DutchTexan]

I spent more on a 1440p monitor than I did on my gtx 1080 about a year ago and don't regret it. With a 6gb 1060, I think he should invest in a nice high refreshrate ISP 1080p monitor similar to these: 

 

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824160164

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA7AB3X13255

 

[ryanmassey1337]

1 minute ago, Streetguru said:

Their performance is basically an R5 1400 + RX 550

So it's really solid for 1080p gaming

 

and there's a number of 1080p 75Hz IPS displays to go with them

 

You don't need to spend $1000 to get a good gaming experience for now, and when GPU prices settle you can just throw in a top tier GPU and be fine for 60-75hz gaming

Just gotta sub in the new APU, it'll be $169

Overkill PSU because why not, won't need to replace it

RAM prices are still deadly though
 

PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/VT6d8K
Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/VT6d8K/by_merchant/

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1500X 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($164.49 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: ASRock - AB350M Pro4 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($74.33 @ OutletPC)
Memory: Team - Vulcan 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($92.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($46.55 @ OutletPC)
Case: Deepcool - TESSERACT SW ATX Mid Tower Case  ($39.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: SeaSonic - FOCUS Gold 750W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($89.59 @ SuperBiiz)
Monitor: LG - 24MP59G-P 23.8" 1920x1080 75Hz Monitor  ($146.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $654.93
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-01-29 00:47 EST-0500

If you just made that part list you are fucking amazing, thank you. 

 

And yeah I guess you're right. I can always upgrade in the future. My old PC that died had a GTX 670 and an AMD Phemom ii x6 processor paired with a 900p 60Hz display so I want to get and more in depth PC experience if you get what I mean. Thanks for the parts list.

[Streetguru]

2 minutes ago, DutchTexan said:

 

It looks like you could have saved $300 with a free-sync display though

Those are both 60hz?

 

 

Just now, ryanmassey1337 said:

 

I fixed it, it should have read Alright* for 1080p gaming, at least while GPU pricing is insane, you should be able to live on it, especially with free-sync

 

 

[LienusLateTips]

8 minutes ago, Streetguru said:

Their performance is basically an R5 1400 + RX 550

So it's alright* for 1080p gaming

 

and there's a number of 1080p 75Hz IPS displays to go with them

 

You don't need to spend $1000 to get a good gaming experience for now, and when GPU prices settle you can just throw in a top tier GPU and be fine for 60-75hz gaming

Just gotta sub in the new APU, it'll be $169

Overkill PSU because why not, won't need to replace it

RAM prices are still deadly though
 

PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/VT6d8K
Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/VT6d8K/by_merchant/

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1500X 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($164.49 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: ASRock - AB350M Pro4 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($74.33 @ OutletPC)
Memory: Team - Vulcan 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($92.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($46.55 @ OutletPC)
Case: Deepcool - TESSERACT SW ATX Mid Tower Case  ($39.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: SeaSonic - FOCUS Gold 750W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($89.59 @ SuperBiiz)
Monitor: LG - 24MP59G-P 23.8" 1920x1080 75Hz Monitor  ($146.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $654.93
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-01-29 00:47 EST-0500

1400 = 1500X prettyt much

Why Deepcool - build quality sucks, and you can get CM Lite 5 or Cougar MX300 for that price

[Streetguru]

1 minute ago, JDE said:

1400 = 1500X prettyt much

Why Deepcool - build quality sucks, and you can get CM Lite 5 or Cougar MX300 for that price

The 1500X is close in price to the upcoming $169 APU

The CM Lite 5 is a joke, and is a massive hot box

 

Dunno about the cougar, but at least it's meshy

I'd go for a masterbox 5 black though, I just quickly grabbed budget parts

[ryanmassey1337]

2 minutes ago, Streetguru said:

The 1500X is close in price to the upcoming $169 APU

The CM Lite 5 is a joke, and is a massive hot box

 

Dunno about the cougar, but at least it's meshy

I'd go for a masterbox 5 black though, I just quickly grabbed budget parts

Should I wait for APU or get an R5 1600 + GTX 1060 3GB/RX570... Or maybe r5 1400 but 4 core processors aren't doing to well when it comes to intensive games.

[LienusLateTips]

Just now, ryanmassey1337 said:

Should I wait for APU or get an R5 1600 + GTX 1060 3GB/RX570... Or maybe r5 1400 but 4 core processors aren't doing to well when it comes to intensive games.

APU won't deliver 1440p. Sorry.

R5 1600 and 570 would be preferred, but that won't really do 1440 either.

[Streetguru]

1 minute ago, ryanmassey1337 said:

Should I wait for APU or get an R5 1600 + GTX 1060 3GB/RX570... Or maybe r5 1400 but 4 core processors aren't doing to well when it comes to intensive games.

the R5 1400 is perfectly fine for 60-75hz AAA gaming, and will do 100+ fps in any esports game

 

Considering you can't buy a 1060 or RX 570, and next Gen GPUs are surely being announced this year, just live with the APU is my suggest to just about everyone

CPUs bottleneck your refresh rate

 

GPUs bottleneck your Resolution/Quality settings

There's Ryzen CPU scaling, even the R3 1200 is fine for 60hz

 

[ryanmassey1337]

1 minute ago, JDE said:

APU won't deliver 1440p. Sorry.

R5 1600 and 570 would be preferred, but that won't really do 1440 either.

I'll do 1080p but 60 FPS is a must

[DutchTexan]

3 minutes ago, Streetguru said:

It looks like you could have saved $300 with a free-sync display though

What and how? I love my monitor. It was released in November of 2015 and it's still selling for $700 today.

[LienusLateTips]

2 minutes ago, ryanmassey1337 said:

I'll do 1080p but 60 FPS is a must

570 will do for that in most games.

[Streetguru]

1 minute ago, DutchTexan said:

What and how? I love my monitor. It was released in November of 2015 and it's still selling for $700 today.

The $399 free-sync 1440p 144hz IPS dispalys didn't come out until later though
 

1 minute ago, JDE said:

APU won't deliver 1440p. Sorry.

R5 1600 and 570 would be preferred, but that won't really do 1440 either.

The Polaris 10 chips are pretty alright at medium-high settings 1440p gaming in AAA games

the 3GB 1060 will certainly struggle at times though depending on the settings

CPU has nothing to do with what resolution you can push, but yes the APUs are only really going to do 1080p in most cases
 

 

[ryanmassey1337]

3 minutes ago, Streetguru said:

the R5 1400 is perfectly fine for 60-75hz AAA gaming, and will do 100+ fps in any esports game

 

Considering you can't buy a 1060 or RX 570, and next Gen GPUs are surely being announced this year, just live with the APU is my suggest to just about everyone

CPUs bottleneck your refresh rate

 

GPUs bottleneck your Resolution/Quality settings

There's Ryzen CPU scaling, even the R3 1200 is fine for 60hz

 

But you can buy a 1060 or 570... in the form of a pre-built system which is currently cheaper than building your own

[DutchTexan]

2 minutes ago, ryanmassey1337 said:

I'll do 1080p but 60 FPS is a must

Maybe wait a few weeks or a month for this. Samsung is starting production for GDDR6, so next gen Nvidia GPU's are around the corner. Plus pricing is truly insane right now. Do not buy this overpriced bullshit.

[Streetguru]

2 minutes ago, ryanmassey1337 said:

in the form of a pre-built system which is currently cheaper than building your own

Which may leave you with a sub par motherboard, or PSU, or case

But ya it's not that bad sometimes, pre-builts are alright right now sometimes, Check Cyberpower and ibuypower

 

Unless you have any interest in a really small form factor build?

[ryanmassey1337]

1 minute ago, DutchTexan said:

Maybe wait a few weeks or a month for this. Samsung is starting production for GDDR6, so next gen Nvidia GPU's are around the corner. Plus pricing is truly insane right now. Do not buy this overpriced bullshit.

Pre-built systems are un-affected by miners and price increases actually... and VOLTA coming out just means current gpu's will get a price cut. Hopefully. I'll still waiting and see what Volta has to offer however

[Sol3R]

Just now, ryanmassey1337 said:

Pre-built systems are un-affected by miners and price increases actually... and VOLTA coming out just means current gpu's will get a price cut. Hopefully. I'll still waiting and see what Volta has to offer however

How sure are we that Volta will be the new Gen. I think I heard something about Ampere. 

[ryanmassey1337]

1 minute ago, Streetguru said:

Which may leave you with a sub par motherboard, or PSU, or case

But ya it's not that bad sometimes, pre-builts are alright right now sometimes, Check Cyberpower and ibuypower

 

Unless you have any interest in a really small form factor build?

Small form factor would be nice. I could put it on the shelf in my desk.

[DutchTexan]

1 minute ago, ryanmassey1337 said:

Pre-built systems are un-affected by miners and price increases actually... and VOLTA coming out just means current gpu's will get a price cut. Hopefully. I'll still waiting and see what Volta has to offer however

Just now, Sol3R said:

How sure are we that Volta will be the new Gen. I think I heard something about Ampere. 

Volta/Ampere I am not knowing for sure, but it's coming!

 

[Streetguru]

26 minutes ago, ryanmassey1337 said:

Small form factor would be nice. I could put it on the shelf in my desk.

Then an APU might be what you want anyways since you can go Ultra ITX without a GPU

Like with the Elite 110
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119299&cm_re=Elite_110-_-11-119-299-_-Product

Or one of the even smaller ITX cases that usually come with a 150W or 200W flex ATX PSU
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA2F84N93953

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA2F84D68853

[ryanmassey1337]

4 minutes ago, Streetguru said:

Then an APU might be what you want anyways since you can go Ultra ITX without a GPU

Like with the Elite 110
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119299&cm_re=Elite_110-_-11-119-299-_-Product

Or one of the even smaller ITX cases that usually come with a 150W or 200W flex ATX PSU
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA2F84N93953

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA2F84D68853

That is true, don't get me wrong. I looked into it and decided on the r5 2400G but... it's got gt 1030 like performance... it's liveable tho... If I got a gpu, would it fit in those cases? Do you know what airflow is like?

[Streetguru]

2 minutes ago, ryanmassey1337 said:

That is true, don't get me wrong. I looked into it and decided on the r5 2400G but... it's got gt 1030 like performance... it's liveable tho... If I got a gpu, would it fit in those cases? Do you know what airflow is like?

The APU alone won't be running very hot, especially if you enable Radeon Chill, the stock fan is going to be the intake

The Elite 110 can take a dual slot small form factor GPU. Vega Nano would be perfect if it's ever released, but there are ITX 1080s/1080tis though they'll run hotter or louder in general due to being so small

The Elite 110 can also take a 120mm AIO, and it takes ATX PSUs, likely one of the smallest cases to do that

and very likely X470 AM4 ITX boards will be coming soon for the Ryzen 2 launch in april
 

If you want something for longer GPUs go for the Core 500, as it can take 240mm AIOs, though then you don't have a the Ultra case like those IN WIN cases. course those can never really take a dedicated GPU

 

 

[ryanmassey1337]

19 minutes ago, Streetguru said:

The APU alone won't be running very hot, especially if you enable Radeon Chill, the stock fan is going to be the intake

The Elite 110 can take a dual slot small form factor GPU. Vega Nano would be perfect if it's ever released, but there are ITX 1080s/1080tis though they'll run hotter or louder in general due to being so small

The Elite 110 can also take a 120mm AIO, and it takes ATX PSUs, likely one of the smallest cases to do that

and very likely X470 AM4 ITX boards will be coming soon for the Ryzen 2 launch in april
 

If you want something for longer GPUs go for the Core 500, as it can take 240mm AIOs, though then you don't have a the Ultra case like those IN WIN cases. course those can never really take a dedicated GPU

 

 

Have you looked at the inwin 301? What would you recommend?