Ryzen 1600 not changing clock speed and other problems

[Chevytech65]

Hey I just finished my first pc build last week and was working through installing updates and drivers among other things and noticed a few things. The first is that task manager has never shown me taxing the cpu more that 50% while cpuid hw monitor is showing 100% on the cores while running prime 95 to test thermals. It is also showing that it is only hitting 1.5 GHz when it is running at that while I know it should be going up to 3.0 GHz or more right? Also I have tried to install the chipset drivers on my MSI B350 PC Mate mobo at least 3 times and it doesn't show that it is updated when I run Live Update 6 after I restart the system. What are my options? The system is a Ryzen 1600 with 16 GB of Corsair memory a Asus Strix 1070 OC 8 GB with an SSD boot drive and 1 TB hard drive.

[johndms]

Something screwed with Windows' Power Plan?  I installed the AMD Chipset Drivers and use the recommended Ryzen Balanced Power Plan (included) from https://community.amd.com/community/gaming/blog/2017/04/06/amd-ryzen-community-update-3

 

I'd give that a try, or at least check to see which Power Plan you've got it currently set.

[iRileyx]

Do you have any power plans active?

 

Check the advanced settings of whatever power plan you're on, scroll down to processor power management, and then check the maximum state.

[Chevytech65]

The current state has Max processor frequency at 0 MHz. Minimum processor state at 5%. System cooling policy is active. Max processor state at 100%

[johndms]

3 minutes ago, Chevytech65 said:

The current state has Max processor frequency at 0 MHz. Minimum processor state at 5%. System cooling policy is active. Max processor state at 100%

That's how my Ryzen Balanced Power Plan looks.  I'm wondering if it's some sort of fail-safe setting due to potentially unsafe bios frequency settings.  If they're not already, try setting both CPU and Ram frequency to Auto, non-XMP, in the bios.  Just the stock 2133MHz for the ram and see if that makes a difference.  Also, have you updated to the latest bios version?

[Chevytech65]

Alright I will download the chipset driver you linked to and double check the bios settings when I reboot. I do know that the ram is 2133 MHz because I saw that when I was first setting up the computer.

[Chevytech65]

I believe I have the current chipset drive installed and the settings are as you said.MSI_SnapShot.bmp

[johndms]

 

32 minutes ago, Chevytech65 said:

I believe I have the current chipset drive installed and the settings are as you said.MSI_SnapShot.bmp

I don't know why your VCore would default to something so dangerously high.  I've read above 1.4 isn't recommended.  At stock (3.2GHz for Ryzen 5 1600), mine is 1.2375.

 

 

[johndms]

Which is actually strange, because your HW Monitor screenshot shows 1.231 V.  

[RadiatingLight]

18 minutes ago, Chevytech65 said:

I believe I have the current chipset drive installed and the settings are as you said.MSI_SnapShot.bmp

disable core performance boost.

it's an automatic feature that attempts to auto-overclock AFAIK, but something with the auto-OC might have borked the system.

[Chevytech65]

I will disable core performance boost. Should I also go in and change my VCore as well? If so where do I go to do that?

[johndms]

6 minutes ago, Chevytech65 said:

I will disable core performance boost. Should I also go in and change my VCore as well? If so where do I go to do that?

Right there in the bios, just type it in, in place of Auto, I would assume.

[Chevytech65]

Should I use my HW Monitor value or a different value? Sorry should've asked that in the last post

[johndms]

Try 1.23750, or something close to it. 1.25 is fine.  Ideally, you use the lowest possible voltage that is stable at your current core clock.  Stability tested with Aida64 or Prime95.  Lower voltage = lower temperatures = Longer CPU lifespan.

[Chevytech65]

I did as you said and it is now going up to 99% usage and running between 3.14 and 3.17 MHz on task manager. When leaving it idle it goes to like 2.84 MHz on task manager but HW Monitor is showing it staying at 3.1-3.2 MHz. Is this fine to let it run at that speed all the time? I appericate all the help johndms!

[johndms]

Windows will lower the VCore and CPU frequency when the computer is idle.  If you're using the Ryzen Balanced Power Plan, that plan sets the lowest frequency the CPU will go to 90% of your base clock speed of 3.2GHz.  90% of 3.2 is 2.8.  However, the Ryzen 5 1600 should be boosting itself higher than that by default.  Mine, with everything stock, .. well, I'll just post a screenshot.

 

I *think* 6-core Ryzen CPUs, if thermals permit at stock 3.2GHz, will boost three cores to 3.6GHz, or one to 3.7GHz, which may explain my screenshot frequency listings.  I use the Ryzen Balanced Power Plan, so 90% of 3.7 is 3.3.

 

I never disabled the Core Performance Boost option, which I think disables the CPU boost feature I just mentioned?  I'm not sure.  With your vcore set correctly at 1.2something, try re-enabling Core Performance Boost to see if those frequency's look better.

 

I'm also not sure why HWMonitor reports my VID at 1.550.  I hear software voltage monitoring is wonky, so pay no attention to it.  CPU-Z reports it correctly, but the bios is what I go by.

[johndms]

And for the record, my Task Manager is also showing a lower CPU frequency than HWMonitor.  Perhaps Windows 10 just doesn't quite understand Ryzen Boost technology yet.

[bcguru9384]

2 minutes ago, johndms said:

And for the record, my Task Manager is also showing a lower CPU frequency than HWMonitor.  Perhaps Windows 10 just doesn't quite understand Ryzen Boost technology yet.

or windows has realtime while the other apps are being passed to by windows

meaning windows getting the data first then shares on request so the app 

request

get data

request 

get data

while windows

show data

show data

show data

 

this i call fetching latency as you have cycles used for get data request/fetch

now if apps would say

get finished data result(let windows do the work) then app can go straight to show data

[johndms]

4 minutes ago, bcguru9384 said:

or windows has realtime while the other apps are being passed to by windows

meaning windows getting the data first then shares on request so the app 

request

get data

request 

get data

while windows

show data

show data

show data

 

this i call fetching latency as you have cycles used for get data request/fetch

now if apps would say

get finished data result(let windows do the work) then app can go straight to show data

Call it what you want, but when HWMonitor, CPU-Z, and Core Temp list my stock 3.2GHz at it's correct boost speeds of 3.6/3.7GHz respectively, never dropping below the correct 90% 3.3GHz, while Task Manager shows it falling to 2.98GHz at times, I err to the side of the programs whose only job is to list those frequencies correctly, lest their program develop the reputation of sucking.  Yet has my Task Manager shown the frequency to go above 3.2GHz.

[bcguru9384]

get osciloscope and confirm accuracy

maybe you will be surprised at which has greater accuracy

[johndms]

2 minutes ago, bcguru9384 said:

get osciloscope and confirm accuracy

maybe you will be surprised at which has greater accuracy

I don't have to.  The math is on my side. 

[bcguru9384]

what the formula being used?

i can with most third party software show that first party windows does better, not best, better...