inadequate cooling or something else?

[SHADY16]

Ok, im sure some of you know i've had some high gpu temps and cpu temps lately.

I have done some testing and i think i have figured it out, im just wanting to know what you guys here think. I've tested the internal case temp with my fans at lowest speed vs highest and found that lowest case temp gets to 95f(35c) and with fan speed at max 93f(33.8c). I have also tested with side panel off and my gpu drops 3-5c. I'm thinking my cooling isn't the best due to this fact, but i've literally done everything i can think of for my case, so can't add any more fans at all etc. I'm at a loss of what to do next besides changing out my entire case for a new one.    ambient temp is around 77f (25c)

 

  SYSTEM

I7 6700K  65c avg 75C max

Corsair Vengance LED 3200MHZ 16gb 

MSI 1080 Ti FE 71c-75c avg 79c Max

Asus Z170-E

Samsung 960 Pro M2

Corsair RM750

Corsair 200R case with windowed side panel 

Corsair AF120 3x intake

Corsair MLpro 140 1x exhaust

Corsair SP120 on cpu rad exhaust

EVGA CLC 120 

 

I have also attached pictures of my case with side panel on and off for reference

Edited April 19, 2017 by SHADY16
forgot to add my cpu cooler in system

[Drak01112]

14 minutes ago, SHADY16 said:

 

This is pretty much normal for a idle temp for high-end components

[SHADY16]

2 minutes ago, Drak01112 said:

This is pretty much normal for a idle temp for high-end components

this is not idle it is while gaming

[Drak01112]

2 minutes ago, SHADY16 said:

this is not idle it is while gaming

Then you have too much cooling JK(Remember 80 -90 Celsius is throttling)

 

Edit: Go full watercooling if you want better tempatures

[SHADY16]

1 minute ago, Drak01112 said:

Then you have too much cooling (Remember 80 -90 Celsius is throttling)

idk i have to keep my cpu fan at 100% just to keep it under 70c at stock speed and have to keep my gpu at 80% to keep it under 80c also mind you it is not summer here yet which then my room gets to about 85f ambient sometimes 90f on really hot days. also its during a game which doesnt stress the system much. games like tomb raider and gta 5 and stress tested my gpu gets to 85c with 100% fan and my cpu around 76c

[Drak01112]

2 minutes ago, SHADY16 said:

idk i have to keep my cpu fan at 100% just to keep it under 70c at stock speed and have to keep my gpu at 80% to keep it under 80c also mind you it is not summer here yet which then my room gets to about 85f ambient sometimes 90f on really hot days. also its during a game which doesnt stress the system much. games like tomb raider and gta 5 and stress tested my gpu gets to 85c with 100% fan and my cpu around 76c

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1080-ti,4972-7.html

Note: Founder edition cards are notoriously bad because they have one fan.

 

Edit: trust me the temperatures are FINE.

[SHADY16]

5 minutes ago, Drak01112 said:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1080-ti,4972-7.html

Note: Founder edition cards are notoriously bad because they have one fan.

 

Edit: trust me the temperatures are FINE.

well my concern is mostly with my cpu though at stock clocks while running 1.24vcore hitting almost 80c with a liquid cooler concerns me a bit all while the fan and pump are at 100% usage..

[Drak01112]

14 minutes ago, SHADY16 said:

well my concern is mostly with my cpu though at stock clocks while running 1.24vcore hitting almost 80c with a liquid cooler concerns me a bit all while the fan and pump are at 100% usage..

120mm water coolers aren't really better than air cooling, 240mm radiators on the other hand...

Edit: I didn't see the tempatures, but those are a bit abnormal, thermal compound might be dried up or something.  for comparison I found this review of the CLC 120s http://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/2795-evga-clc-120-review-not-as-impressive/page-2 and only 50 C on load huh.

[DragonTamer1]

9 minutes ago, SHADY16 said:

well my concern is mostly with my cpu though at stock clocks while running 1.24vcore hitting almost 80c with a liquid cooler concerns me a bit all while the fan and pump are at 100% usage..

Replace and re-seat your CPU cooler. How old is the cooler? They tend to clog over time, even the closed loop ones will still clog. Clean the radiator very thoroughly of any dust that could be clogging the fins.

[SHADY16]

5 minutes ago, DragonTamer1 said:

Replace and re-seat your CPU cooler. How old is the cooler? They tend to clog over time, even the closed loop ones will still clog. Clean the radiator very thoroughly of any dust that could be clogging the fins.

it is only around 2 months old or less and i have already tried cleaning it out multiple times

[SHADY16]

56 minutes ago, Drak01112 said:

This is pretty much normal for a idle temp for high-end components

 

24 minutes ago, DragonTamer1 said:

Replace and re-seat your CPU cooler. How old is the cooler? They tend to clog over time, even the closed loop ones will still clog. Clean the radiator very thoroughly of any dust that could be clogging the fins.

also for reference i had a EVGA 1080 ACX that i had to keep at 90% fan just to keep under 75c

[DragonTamer1]

24 minutes ago, SHADY16 said:

 

also for reference i had a EVGA 1080 ACX that i had to keep at 90% fan just to keep under 75c

I had something I needed to do before, but now I'm able to get a good look at what you are working with.

 

Clean up the cable clutter at the bottom of the case in front of that intake fan. Despite what Luke said in his video that someone is sure to link, cable management does matter in a case under certain circumstances. You happen to have an example of one of these that needs proper cable management. The cables can make air turbulent and block its flow towards the GPU. The large number of cables in close proximity are aiding to block more air than normal. Try to get them into a single large group, preferably out of the way of this bottom intake. This bottom fan should also be a high airflow fan to move as much air as possible towards the GPU.

 

Put any high static pressure fans pushing air past the drive cages, however with this design with large round holes there is still going to be a lot of air that is blocked. That is simply the nature of the cages design.

 

For your CPU cooler I would suggest moving up to a 240 AIO or going with a high end air cooler. I'm not a liquid cooling expert since I prefer to never get any kind of water inside my case so I couldn't tell you why your temps are so high there.

 

I see four fans in your build and only one of them is an exhaust. I get that you want to maintain positive air pressure but it could be hurting you in this case. Flip your top case fan and make it an exhaust. If you are having temp problems, then it would be better to have neutral, if not negative air pressure inside the case to help displace the hot air more effectively. With your top fan as an intake you are also blowing air towards your bottom fan creating an area of high pressure right near the GPU where hot air is building up and unable to move away effectively. Using a  second top exhaust will help direct air through the case more effectively.

 

Also, you need blue LEDs. Everyone knows that the red ones emit extra heat and cause system components to run hotter. Not really though.

[SHADY16]

2 minutes ago, DragonTamer1 said:

I had something I needed to do before, but now I'm able to get a good look at what you are working with.

 

Clean up the cable clutter at the bottom of the case in front of that intake fan. Despite what Luke said in his video that someone is sure to link, cable management does matter in a case under certain circumstances. You happen to have an example of one of these that needs proper cable management. The cables can make air turbulent and block its flow towards the GPU. The large number of cables in close proximity are aiding to block more air than normal. Try to get them into a single large group, preferably out of the way of this bottom intake. This bottom fan should also be a high airflow fan to move as much air as possible towards the GPU.

 

Put any high static pressure fans pushing air past the drive cages, however with this design with large round holes there is still going to be a lot of air that is blocked. That is simply the nature of the cages design.

 

For your CPU cooler I would suggest moving up to a 240 AIO or going with a high end air cooler. I'm not a liquid cooling expert since I prefer to never get any kind of water inside my case so I couldn't tell you why your temps are so high there.

 

I see four fans in your build and only one of them is an exhaust. I get that you want to maintain positive air pressure but it could be hurting you in this case. Flip your top case fan and make it an exhaust. If you are having temp problems, then it would be better to have neutral, if not negative air pressure inside the case to help displace the hot air more effectively. With your top fan as an intake you are also blowing air towards your bottom fan creating an area of high pressure right near the GPU where hot air is building up and unable to move away effectively. Using a  second top exhaust will help direct air through the case more effectively.

 

Also, you need blue LEDs. Everyone knows that the red ones emit extra heat and cause system components to run hotter. Not really though.

the top fan is exhaust. and i have tried to move those cable out of the way of that bottom fan with how stiff those cables are they dont want to move much i have them pulled out as far as i can get them too. also there is very little space behind the case for cable management i have to force the back panel on and even then it bulges slightly.

[DragonTamer1]

3 minutes ago, SHADY16 said:

the top fan is exhaust. and i have tried to move those cable out of the way of that bottom fan with how stiff those cables are they dont want to move much i have them pulled out as far as i can get them too. also there is very little space behind the case for cable management i have to force the back panel on and even then it bulges slightly.

Does the front of your case have 2 case fans or 1?

[SHADY16]

1 minute ago, DragonTamer1 said:

Does the front of your case have 2 case fans or 1?

has 3 intake one in bottem one in the front and one behind HDD cage im using the 3 corsair AF 120's as intake the corsair SP120 as exhaust on rad and the corsair ML Pro 140 as top exhaust

[DragonTamer1]

Your GPU is going to run hot, that is the nature of a FE card. You can try to buy something like an Accelero cooler and stick it on which would drop GPU temps but would most likely not fit in your case.

 

Using a rad as an exhaust can cause higher temps because now the fan is pushing hot air through it rather than cool air so the minimum temp of the cooler is now whatever the internal case temperature is.

 

Your first post is a little hard to understand but from what I gathered your CPU was at 75*C under load and your GPU gets up to 80*C. Both of these are safe temps, if not on the high side. Moving the radiator to the front of the case would help since it would be pulling in fresh air from outside the case. Your GPU you are pretty much stuck with unless you try an aftermarket cooler like the one I suggested. If you don't want to go that far then you will need to try a different case.

 

If the temps that I listed in this post are correct then they are about what I would expect from a configuration like this. I though you were having much higher temps.

 

For reference, this is the cooling configuration in my system and the temps regularly hit 80*C on the CPU and 75*C on the GPU. Changing case fans makes no difference and they are in the best location for performance (except the front which could be moved inside the chassis more for a 1-2*C difference.

 

 

[SHADY16]

2 minutes ago, DragonTamer1 said:

Your GPU is going to run hot, that is the nature of a FE card. You can try to buy something like an Accelero cooler and stick it on which would drop GPU temps but would most likely not fit in your case.

 

Using a rad as an exhaust can cause higher temps because now the fan is pushing hot air through it rather than cool air so the minimum temp of the cooler is now whatever the internal case temperature is.

 

Your first post is a little hard to understand but from what I gathered your CPU was at 75*C under load and your GPU gets up to 80*C. Both of these are safe temps, if not on the high side. Moving the radiator to the front of the case would help since it would be pulling in fresh air from outside the case. Your GPU you are pretty much stuck with unless you try an aftermarket cooler like the one I suggested. If you don't want to go that far then you will need to try a different case.

 

If the temps that I listed in this post are correct then they are about what I would expect from a configuration like this. I though you were having much higher temps.

 

For reference, this is the cooling configuration in my system and the temps regularly hit 80*C on the CPU and 75*C on the GPU. Changing case fans makes no difference and they are in the best location for performance (except the front which could be moved inside the chassis more for a 1-2*C difference.

 

 

i know radiator in front would have lower temps but im unsure i can even fit it in front. i mean i suppose i could get custom sleeved cables to help get them away from my bottom fan but not sure how much that would help for the price. 

 

GPU 71c-75c avg 79c highest low demanding game 76-79c avg 85c max high demanding game or benchmarking after 70c 80% fan after 80c 100%

CPU 65c avg 74c highest low demanding 68-78c high demanding/benchmarking 100% fan after 60c

 

both are stock and not overclocked with my cpu running at 1.24 vcore