$2000 for a new School/Gaming/Workstation Laptop/Setup

[D2ultima]

11 minutes ago, Pendragon said:

This needs to be stressed. Clevo laptops without a stable bios are worse than Asus laptops. Maybe not as bad as Acer, but definitely worse than Asus.

Now I don't know about THAT. My D900F was and both sisters' N155RFs are stock from Sager. They work just fine. They could be better, but they aren't instantly trash.

 

If you're a performance chaser, however, that's a different story. But as-is, with so many prema partner shops, I CANNOT recommend a stock Clevo to anyone. Prema or nothing, go for broke. There's no reason to not get them, and they WILL be useful. And if you're someone who likes things custom? Better for you.

[Dackzy]

3 minutes ago, D2ultima said:

Now I don't know about THAT. My D900F was and both sisters' N155RFs are stock from Sager. They work just fine. They could be better, but they aren't instantly trash.

 

If you're a performance chaser, however, that's a different story. But as-is, with so many prema partner shops, I CANNOT recommend a stock Clevo to anyone. Prema or nothing, go for broke. There's no reason to not get them, and they WILL be useful. And if you're someone who likes things custom? Better for you.

well it is not everyone that can get a Clevo laptop with the Prema mod. I would have to go to the US. to get one with the Danish/nordic keyboard

[D2ultima]

Just now, Dackzy said:

well it is not everyone that can get a Clevo laptop with the Prema mod. I would have to go to the US. to get one with the Danish/nordic keyboard

Well, in your case you don't have one close (at least that you know of). This isn't the case for AUS, with Metabox partnering with Prema (voiding Venom computing as a viable option at all, etc) or I believe even Singapore. And I think there's shops in Portugal and the Philippines and even one in Brazil.

 

I do understand your situation though. Honestly you might just be able to donate a bit to him and get the mods yourself at some point though.

[Dackzy]

Just now, D2ultima said:

Well, in your case you don't have one close (at least that you know of). This isn't the case for AUS, with Metabox partnering with Prema (voiding Venom computing as a viable option at all, etc) or I believe even Singapore. And I think there's shops in Portugal and the Philippines and even one in Brazil.

 

I do understand your situation though. Honestly you might just be able to donate a bit to him and get the mods yourself at some point though.

there is one in Brazil, I know that.

I found a list of their partners: LIST

[Pendragon]

2 minutes ago, D2ultima said:

Well, in your case you don't have one close (at least that you know of). This isn't the case for AUS, with Metabox partnering with Prema (voiding Venom computing as a viable option at all, etc) or I believe even Singapore. And I think there's shops in Portugal and the Philippines and even one in Brazil.

I never understood why big retailers like Sager and XMG can't partner with Prema. Shouldn't Clevo be perfectly happy someone is doing their job for them, beyond the fact that each sale would have a small kickback towards Prema, it wouldn't effect Clevo at all as it would only cut into the bottom line of the specific retailer. 

[Pendragon]

2 minutes ago, Dackzy said:

I found a list of their partners: LIST

How's shipping from Poland?

[Dackzy]

Just now, Pendragon said:

How's shipping from Poland?

Expensive and only polish keyboard  

[Pendragon]

Just now, Dackzy said:

Expensive and only polish keyboard  

 

[Dackzy]

1 minute ago, Pendragon said:

 

yeah I am just going to wait for MM-vesion to get the new models and then donate 10$ to prema mod.

 

What model did OP end up with?

[D2ultima]

7 minutes ago, Dackzy said:

there is one in Brazil, I know that.

I found a list of their partners: LIST

I know of that list, but it isn't perfect. Like Metabox isn't there though I know they're in the process of partnering with him, and HIDevolution was added long after I knew they were a partner.

 

5 minutes ago, Pendragon said:

I never understood why big retailers like Sager and XMG can't partner with Prema. Shouldn't Clevo be perfectly happy someone is doing their job for them, beyond the fact that each sale would have a small kickback towards Prema, it wouldn't effect Clevo at all as it would only cut into the bottom line of the specific retailer. 

I saw that XMG doesn't want to tarnish their great standing with Clevo, but I know not how true this is.

 

Clevo... I don't know why they won't simply allow him to work on their BIOSes. They have awful software support in general, even though it appears they're trying, but Prema would be a big help to them.

[Pendragon]

Just now, D2ultima said:

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Sager then? Same thing as XMG?

[Pendragon]

2 minutes ago, Dackzy said:

What model did OP end up with?

No idea. He hasn't responded LOL.

[xaviersykora]

1 hour ago, Pendragon said:

No idea. He hasn't responded LOL.

Not sure yet. I have a bit of time to make the decision, and I'm still mulling it all over.

[Pendragon]

29 minutes ago, xaviersykora said:

Not sure yet. I have a bit of time to make the decision, and I'm still mulling it all over.

Do you care about 120hz or 4k or whatever on the screen?

[xaviersykora]

4 minutes ago, Pendragon said:

Do you care about 120hz or 4k or whatever on the screen?

Higher resolution would be nice. I guess I just don't get what's so bad about the 15.6" ASUS model.

[Dackzy]

35 minutes ago, xaviersykora said:

Higher resolution would be nice. I guess I just don't get what's so bad about the 15.6" ASUS model.

expect everything? Shitty support, bad cooling, meh build, no QC

[Ryujin2003]

Back to the original post, I was in the same position, looking for a workstation for school. I'm going for engineering, so I ended up deciding on an MSI WS72. I I haven't received it yet, but will do a review when I get it.

 

It's around the $2k budget, and in my experience, MSI comes with much less bloatware than HP does with their ZBook work stations. The work stations often come with minimum 16GB DDR4, and the NVIDIA Quadro GPUs. I would look for workstation for the emphasis on achool. If you want to game I would build a desktop. You can probably build something better than you're going to get with a laptop, and maybe have enough over to buy a small laptop if you still need one. Otherwise, go work station.

 

Apparently Linus is releasing a video about the NVIDIA Quadro and it's ability to get and be equivalent to the mainstream GPUs. We shall see, but online comparisons don't seem bad at and Lloyd. Go with and let least M2000M.

[Dackzy]

43 minutes ago, Ryujin2003 said:

Apparently Linus is releasing a video about the NVIDIA Quadro and it's ability to get and be equivalent to the mainstream GPUs. We shall see, but online comparisons don't seem bad at and Lloyd. Go with and let least M2000M.

That video is 100% BS, it is on vessel and he claims that the only reason to get the quadro in his video is if you need the extra vram. I wanted to slap him when I heard that, you get a quadro because of support, because what good is a GTX 1080 in a 3D program that only supports FirePro or quadro GPUs.

[D2ultima]

10 hours ago, Pendragon said:

Sager then? Same thing as XMG?

Yes. They all basically have mostly stock firmware and ECs and stock vBIOSes

 

To be honestly frank with you, I wouldn't take a pascal GPU beyond a 1060 without a custom vBIOS. Prema has more than once referred to "Boost 3.0" as "Throttle 3.0" and said not to be surprised by 1000MHz clockdrops.

[Dackzy]

1 minute ago, D2ultima said:

Prema has more than once referred to "Boost 3.0" as "Throttle 3.0" and said not to be surprised by 1000MHz clockdrops.

LOL they do? I just said that to a friend today, when he asked about it and how it would be for laptops  

[D2ultima]

3 minutes ago, Dackzy said:

LOL they do? I just said that to a friend today, when he asked about it and how it would be for laptops  

Yup. That's what was said. People run short benches and don't use the things to game over longer periods. I ran a firestrike at night here once, at 1006/6000 (up from nVidia base of 721+ boost/5000) and my cards didn't even crack 80c once. If I tried playing a game stressing both my cards for 10 minutes I guarantee you I wouldn't have sit at 80c.

[Dackzy]

4 minutes ago, D2ultima said:

Yup. That's what was said. People run short benches and don't use the things to game over longer periods. I ran a firestrike at night here once, at 1006/6000 (up from nVidia base of 721+ boost/5000) and my cards didn't even crack 80c once. If I tried playing a game stressing both my cards for 10 minutes I guarantee you I wouldn't have sit at 80c.

I have never seen my laptop go over 76c... Should prema mod fix "turbo. Boost 3.0"?

[D2ultima]

Just now, Dackzy said:

I have never seen my laptop go over 76c... Should prema mod fix "turbo. Boost 3.0"?

That's the intention. I still have to wait and see, since people aren't finding ways to flash pascal vBIOSes easily.

[Dackzy]

7 minutes ago, D2ultima said:

That's the intention. I still have to wait and see, since people aren't finding ways to flash pascal vBIOSes easily.

pascal seems more and more meh to me, with software support over hardware support, heat problems and pricing.

[D2ultima]

3 minutes ago, Dackzy said:

pascal seems more and more meh to me, with software support over hardware support, heat problems and pricing.

Because it is, xD. It's simply stronger than the last gen. And everybody is jumping straight on it, but that's it.

 

I'm really annoyed that nobody is criticizing pascal except tht one AMD lover on youtube.

 

But I don't want AMD lovers to do it. I want impartial people.