3600 or 3700x?

[Belac F]

Hey guys, planning a new build for about 13-1400 candadian for gaming and CAD design. I'm not doing the design proffessionaly or even at a high level, just learning it as a hobby. Currently using blender and fusion 360. I game at 144 hz 1080p.

Not sure if I should use a 3700x with a 5600xt  OR a 3600 with a 2060 super.

I don't know how much of a difference between the 3700x and 3600 there is for CAD and if using the GPU to render would make up for it.

Which should I use?

 

EDIT: the 3600 combo is much cheaper so I can fit in a 1tb NVME drive as opposed to 250 gb NVME with a 1tb HDD, as well as some fans for better airflow

[SethK]

Not 100% sure but im pretty sure blender is mostly CPU so if you can go for a 3700x, id try to go for that. the 3700x will always out-perform the 3600 no matter the card. DO you have a PC parts picker list? send that over if you do

[5x5]

3600 + 5700 XT - the 2060 Super is currently overpriced considering it's slightly behind a 5700 non-XT

[Belac F]

1 minute ago, SethK said:

Not 100% sure but im pretty sure blender is mostly CPU so if you can go for a 3700x, id try to go for that. the 3700x will always out-perform the 3600 no matter the card. DO you have a PC parts picker list? send that over if you do

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor	$248.75 @ Vuugo
Motherboard	MSI B450 GAMING PRO CARBON AC ATX AM4 Motherboard	$159.99 @ Canada Computers
Memory	G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory	$117.99 @ Newegg Canada
Storage	Crucial P1 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive	$148.99 @ Mike's Computer Shop
Video Card	Zotac GeForce RTX 2060 SUPER 8 GB MINI Video Card	$519.99 @ Mike's Computer Shop
Case	Antec NX400 ATX Mid Tower Case	$69.50 @ Vuugo
Power Supply	EVGA 550 W ATX Power Supply	$65.45 @ Vuugo
Case Fan	In Win Sirius Loop ASL120 (3-Pack) 50 CFM 120 mm Fans	$54.99 @ Canada Computers
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	$1385.65
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-04-04 14:59 EDT-0400

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor	$428.50 @ Vuugo
Motherboard	MSI B450 GAMING PRO CARBON AC ATX AM4 Motherboard	$159.99 @ Canada Computers
Memory	G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory	$117.99 @ Newegg Canada
Storage	HP EX900 250 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive	$57.99 @ Newegg Canada
Storage	Seagate BarraCuda 1 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive	$57.95 @ Vuugo
Video Card	Gigabyte Radeon RX 5600 XT 6 GB GAMING OC Video Card	$399.99 @ Newegg Canada
Case	Antec NX400 ATX Mid Tower Case	$69.50 @ Vuugo
Power Supply	SeaSonic S12III 550 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply	$69.99 @ Canada Computers
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	$1361.90
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-04-04 14:59 EDT-0400

 

[Daniel Z.]

3600 and a better GPU, Blender relies heavily on the GPU

[5x5]

Just now, PeterFile said:

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor	$248.75 @ Vuugo
Motherboard	MSI B450 GAMING PRO CARBON AC ATX AM4 Motherboard	$159.99 @ Canada Computers
Memory	G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory	$117.99 @ Newegg Canada
Storage	Crucial P1 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive	$148.99 @ Mike's Computer Shop
Video Card	Zotac GeForce RTX 2060 SUPER 8 GB MINI Video Card	$519.99 @ Mike's Computer Shop
Case	Antec NX400 ATX Mid Tower Case	$69.50 @ Vuugo
Power Supply	EVGA 550 W ATX Power Supply	$65.45 @ Vuugo
Case Fan	In Win Sirius Loop ASL120 (3-Pack) 50 CFM 120 mm Fans	$54.99 @ Canada Computers
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	$1385.65
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-04-04 14:59 EDT-0400

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor	$428.50 @ Vuugo
Motherboard	MSI B450 GAMING PRO CARBON AC ATX AM4 Motherboard	$159.99 @ Canada Computers
Memory	G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory	$117.99 @ Newegg Canada
Storage	HP EX900 250 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive	$57.99 @ Newegg Canada
Storage	Seagate BarraCuda 1 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive	$57.95 @ Vuugo
Video Card	Gigabyte Radeon RX 5600 XT 6 GB GAMING OC Video Card	$399.99 @ Newegg Canada
Case	Antec NX400 ATX Mid Tower Case	$69.50 @ Vuugo
Power Supply	SeaSonic S12III 550 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply	$69.99 @ Canada Computers
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	$1361.90
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-04-04 14:59 EDT-0400

 

This needs fixing. Give me a minute

[5x5]

Better combo for your use case

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor  ($248.75 @ Vuugo)
CPU Cooler: be quiet! Dark Rock Slim CPU Cooler  ($79.99 @ Canada Computers)
Motherboard: MSI B450 GAMING PRO CARBON AC ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($159.99 @ Canada Computers)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory  ($117.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Storage: HP EX900 250 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  ($57.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Storage: Western Digital Red 1 TB 3.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($84.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Video Card: MSI Radeon RX 5700 8 GB MECH OC Video Card  ($439.99 @ Memory Express)
Case: Antec NX400 ATX Mid Tower Case  ($69.50 @ Vuugo)
Power Supply: Corsair TXM Gold 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply  ($119.88 @ Canada Computers)
Total: $1379.07
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-04-04 15:02 EDT-0400

[SethK]

Also, from what i understand of the 5600xt for gaming, at 1080p, medium settings you'll be looking at around 130 FPS range so that setup should be adequate if thats a strict budget, if its not so strict then try to push for the 5700 range. especially if the jump from 1080 to 1440 is a possibility. if  that jump is possible, id definitely try to squeeze in that 2060S

[Belac F]

1 minute ago, 5x5 said:

This needs fixing. Give me a minute

Just keep in mind I need it under $1400 

[5x5]

Just now, PeterFile said:

Just keep in mind I need it under $1400 

Look above

More powerful GPU, MUCH better power supply, more reliable hard drive and a quiet CPU cooler for the 3600 to use PBO and XFR2

[SethK]

11 minutes ago, 5x5 said:

Better combo for your use case

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor  ($248.75 @ Vuugo)
CPU Cooler: be quiet! Dark Rock Slim CPU Cooler  ($79.99 @ Canada Computers)
Motherboard: MSI B450 GAMING PRO CARBON AC ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($159.99 @ Canada Computers)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory  ($117.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Storage: HP EX900 250 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  ($57.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Storage: Western Digital Red 1 TB 3.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($84.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Video Card: MSI Radeon RX 5700 8 GB MECH OC Video Card  ($439.99 @ Memory Express)
Case: Antec NX400 ATX Mid Tower Case  ($69.50 @ Vuugo)
Power Supply: Corsair TXM Gold 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply  ($119.88 @ Canada Computers)
Total: $1379.07
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-04-04 15:02 EDT-0400

That will probably be your best build for 1400. for gaming and rendering thats a pretty solid setup. However for the hard drive, go with at least a 7200 RPM. Later on down the road, If you really want a lot of storage add that 1TB nvme, i copped one and its pretty sweet. EDIT: Albeit, the price difference isnt massive with those two storage setups and going from a 5700rpm hdd to an nvme, i think id probably go with the nvme at this stage. its more expensive to add another nvme down the road on top of the preexisting nvme and hdd. 

Edited April 4, 2020 by SethK

[5x5]

2 minutes ago, SethK said:

That will probably be your best build for 1400. for gaming and rendering thats a pretty solid setup. However for the hard drive, go with at least a 7200 RPM. Later on down the road, If you really want a lot of storage add that 1TB nvme, i copped one and its pretty sweet.

The speed of the HDD isn't that relevant since it has a decent caching subsystem and firmware - this is almost as fast as cheaper 7200RPM Blue and Barracuda models however it has vibration resistance and extra shock resistance. Reds are super durable and reliable.

[SethK]

2 minutes ago, 5x5 said:

The speed of the HDD isn't that relevant since it has a decent caching subsystem and firmware - this is almost as fast as cheaper 7200RPM Blue and Barracuda models however it has vibration resistance and extra shock resistance. Reds are super durable and reliable.

Hmm, I went from a hard drive to an nvme 970 evo, boot drive always on separate ssd until later, But everything i put onto my nvme opens up lightning fast in comparison so imma have to be skeptical on that

[5x5]

1 minute ago, SethK said:

Hmm, I went from a hard drive to an nvme 970 evo, boot drive always on separate ssd until later, But everything i put onto my nvme opens up lightning fast in comparison so imma have to be skeptical on that

the 5400RPM drives run at 120-140MB/s
7400RPM drives run at 140-170MB/s
your SSD runs at 3000MB/s

That's why you noticed it being faster

[SethK]

5 minutes ago, 5x5 said:

the 5400RPM drives run at 120-140MB/s
7400RPM drives run at 140-170MB/s
your SSD runs at 3000MB/s

That's why you noticed it being faster

okok so youre thinking 5700 to 7200, yes pretty comaprable, i just think if youre buying a HDD in this day and age, might as well go for the full 7200. Still for that price difference, i think itd be beneficial for him to stick with the full 1tb nvme, like its amazing to have and youre only getting an extra 250 for a boot drive in nvme with your storage config

[5x5]

2 minutes ago, SethK said:

okok so youre thinking 5700 to 7200, yes pretty comaprable, i just think if youre buying a HDD in this day and age, might as well go for the full 7200. Still for that price difference, i think itd be beneficial for him to stick with the full 1tb nvme, like its amazing to have and youre only getting an extra 250 for a boot drive in nvme with your storage config

SSD would be more expensive - this is CAD, not USD. Anyhow, the Red is more reliable than the 7200 options for the price.

[SethK]

1 minute ago, 5x5 said:

SSD would be more expensive - this is CAD, not USD. Anyhow, the Red is more reliable than the 7200 options for the price.

ooooh didnt realise it was a WD red, but im talking cad as well. 

 

32 minutes ago, 5x5 said:

Storage: HP EX900 250 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  ($57.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Storage: Western Digital Red 1 TB 3.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($84.99 @ Newegg Canada)

but that adds up to $142.98

 

34 minutes ago, 5x5 said:

Storage Crucial P1 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive $148.99 @ Mike's Computer Shop

thats 148. if hes wanting the nvme performance, id just stick with the nvme. like its so much faster

[Belac F]

the 250 gb nvme + 1tb Red was only about 10$ less than a 1tb nvme by western digital, and I don't see myself using all of that up. my current pc has a 1 tb sata ssd and I haven't filled it up. honestly, I'll probably go with the 1tb NVME. But yeah, I think ill go with the 3600 with the be quite cooler for overclocking and because I'm not that advanced at CAD to require 8 cores. It looks like the 3600 is better than the 8700k in a lot of CAD programs anyway, so it's still quite competent.

[SethK]

4 minutes ago, PeterFile said:

the 250 gb nvme + 1tb Red was only about 10$ less than a 1tb nvme by western digital, and I don't see myself using all of that up. my current pc has a 1 tb sata ssd and I haven't filled it up. honestly, I'll probably go with the 1tb NVME. But yeah, I think ill go with the 3600 with the be quite cooler for overclocking and because I'm not that advanced at CAD to require 8 cores. It looks like the 3600 is better than the 8700k in a lot of CAD programs anyway, so it's still quite competent.

true, if going from an 8700k, a 3600 will be a boost. i initially said 3700 but given that youre not too serious about it and coming from an 8700, the 3600 will be a solid buy

[Belac F]

2 minutes ago, SethK said:

true, if going from an 8700k, a 3600 will be a boost. i initially said 3700 but given that youre not too serious about it and coming from an 8700, the 3600 will be a solid buy

yeah. I'm not actualy coming from an 8700, im coming from an 8400. But according to youtube reviews the 3600 is better for CAD software. 

 

Thanks for all the help @SethK @Daniel Z. @5x5

 

[5x5]

1 hour ago, PeterFile said:

yeah. I'm not actualy coming from an 8700, im coming from an 8400. But according to youtube reviews the 3600 is better for CAD software. 

 

Thanks for all the help @SethK @Daniel Z. @5x5

 

3600 is better than the 9400 for everything really.