Motherboard VRM Tier List v2 (currently AMD only)

[Inyerbones]

13 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

now that the MSI B450 boards are out, check for older high end boards like the asus X470-F, MSI X470 Carbon then? They probably need BIOS update before workig with 3rd gen so it should be more available, if you can do it then that's a good way to get a good board.

Just checked with my local retailers and unfortunately both of the models mentioned are out of stock everywhere and they don't seem to be restocking x470 either  
 

One store still had MSI X470 Gaming M7s but the price of that is either the same price as or more expensive than the X570 TUF depending on which store I ask.

 

I think I'll just go with the X470 Ultra Gaming instead and live with the weak memory OC, but thanks a lot for your help!

[Jurrunio]

2 hours ago, Inyerbones said:

I think I'll just go with the X470 Ultra Gaming instead and live with the weak memory OC, but thanks a lot for your help!

I'd rather get the B450-F in that case, at least the 3600 will run better

[Inyerbones]

1 minute ago, Jurrunio said:

I'd rather get the B450-F in that case, at least the 3600 will run better

How so? Isn't the X470 Ultra Gaming one tier above the B450-F in terms of VRM as stated in the list?  

[Jurrunio]

1 hour ago, Inyerbones said:

How so? Isn't the X470 Ultra Gaming one tier above the B450-F in terms of VRM as stated in the list?  

that goes useless when you dont use it (i.e. with 3600). Also because overclocking the core does less to gaming performance than memory, so even 3700X at stock speeds with fully tuned memory is better than maxed out core clocks but crappy memory settings. Don't want to waste that B-die kit.

 

6 hours ago, GoldenLag said:

why are these in 3 diffrent tiers while carrying essentially the same VRM and rather similar heatsinks? (some having a heatpipe bridging the gap between them)

 

because looking at VRM component wise they are identical outside of the controller  which differs. and i cant find a major difference between the auros elite and taichi to call for 90a difference in rating. 

 

im assuming its based on heatsink then?

Based on results here

 

I do know that the Aorus Elite's heatsink is rather flat and not all spikey, guess that heatpipe does help the Taichi a lot. Probably need to revaluate the older Taichi and its variants though as their heatsinks are rather poor as well, with 40A powerstages.

[Inyerbones]

15 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

that goes useless when you dont use it (i.e. with 3600). Also because overclocking the core does less to gaming performance than memory, so even 3700X at stock speeds with fully tuned memory is better than maxed out core clocks but crappy memory settings. Don't want to waste that B-die kit.

I see, previously I thought that core clock increase > maximising ram oc for gaming performance but I'm glad I know the truth now 

Also I thought you were talking about my Ryzen 5 3600 and not the 3600 memory in your previous reply haha

 

 

But basically you're saying the memory overclocking on the B450-F is guaranteed to be better than on the Ultra Gaming?

Could you help me understand why? Is it a known problem that the Ultra Gaming is bad with memory overclocking or is it because of some sort of memory topology thing going on that automatically indicates how well the boards handle memory OC?

 

I looked up the QVL list of both motherboards for 3rd gen Ryzen and the Ultra Gaming one seems to have validated a lot more 3600 kits whereas the B450-F has less validated 3600 kits but the B450-F actually has validated 5 kits to run at above 3600MHz, up to 4400. 

 

Ultra Gaming : https://download.gigabyte.com/FileList/Memory/mb_memory_x470-aorus-ultra-gaming_matisse_190828.pdf
B450-F : https://dlcdnets.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/SocketAM4/ROG_STRIX_B450-E_GAMING/Memory_QVL_3rd_Gen_AMD_Ryzen_Processors.pdf

 

 

Sorry that a few questions I've been asking have been kind of out of topic and irrelevant to the thread, but with my particular kit of memory, what sort of clocks and timings should they be able to OC to with these 2 motherboards? I have heard very good things about Samsung B-Die but I don't really know how well these kits should be able to OC to. This might sound super silly, but as far as I know if I'm able to run them at 3733 CL14 (as I only intend to run the infinity fabric at 1:1) that's already pretty damn good...? Please correct me if I'm wrong

Not sure if I worded all of that correctly (sorry,I'm not a native english speaker), but basically I'm hoping you can help me kind of understand the potential of a B-Die kit like the one I have 

 

Thanks a lot for your help though!

[Jurrunio]

9 minutes ago, Inyerbones said:

But basically you're saying the memory overclocking on the B450-F is guaranteed to be better than on the Ultra Gaming?

Could you help me understand why? Is it a known problem that the Ultra Gaming is bad with memory overclocking or is it because of some sort of memory topology thing going on that automatically indicates how well the boards handle memory OC?

Yes

It's just a tested conclusion, I don't know why. Many Gigabyte knows why since the Gaming 7 is totally different in this regard, but they aren't telling us. It is daisy chain so not related to memory topology (4 sticks makes it even worse)

 

9 minutes ago, Inyerbones said:

Sorry that a few questions I've been asking have been kind of out of topic and irrelevant to the thread, but with my particular kit of memory, what sort of clocks and timings should they be able to OC to with these 2 motherboards? I have heard very good things about Samsung B-Die but I don't really know how well these kits should be able to OC to. This might sound super silly, but as far as I know if I'm able to run them at 3733 CL14 (as I only intend to run the infinity fabric at 1:1) that's already pretty damn good...? Please correct me if I'm wrong

Same timings it's rated for at 3600 should be fine for even 3866MHzwith a nudge in voltage, so frequency depends on your CPU's FCLK potential.

[sponkaa]

On 12/24/2019 at 3:10 AM, Jurrunio said:

Tier E: 75A current draw on little ambient airflow, maxed out 1600X and 3600X, a bit more than maxed out 2500X

Asus: X470 TUF Plus, B450 B450-F, TUF Plus, Prime Plus,

This will be a dumb question but is the Prime Plus good enough for a Ryzen 5 2600 and an RX580?

 

Thanks in advance.

[Vejnemojnen]

28 minutes ago, sponkaa said:

This will be a dumb question but is the Prime Plus good enough for a Ryzen 5 2600 and an RX580?

 

Thanks in advance.

It should be enough. Just don't go overboard with voltages.

[NoOneIsHome]

On 1/24/2020 at 5:25 PM, Jurrunio said:

just buggy software, try update BIOS and chipset driver.

Well I tried different bios s and drivers same result every time. Depending on my max clocks I am still in the 60s of 600 amps.

[Jurrunio]

1 hour ago, sponkaa said:

This will be a dumb question but is the Prime Plus good enough for a Ryzen 5 2600 and an RX580?

 

Thanks in advance.

at stock it's fine

 

5 minutes ago, NoOneIsHome said:

Well I tried different bios s and drivers same result every time. Depending on my max clocks I am still in the 60s of 600 amps.

does it say so in Ryzen Master?

[Heyyo]

Hi, my first post here.

I am considering micro ATX board. And CPU 3600/3800X.

I am not going to OC anyway, just stock speed. 

Ram will be Corsair LPX 3200C16.

 

Do you have some advice on the best option ?

I have this two in my mind:

MSI B450 Mortar Max

Asus X570-I

 

Thanks.

[Jurrunio]

12 minutes ago, Heyyo said:

And CPU 3600/3800X.

why not 3700x?

 

12 minutes ago, Heyyo said:

MSI B450 Mortar Max

Asus X570-I

Depends on what you need, but high performance options are on ITX

[Heyyo]

1 hour ago, Jurrunio said:

why not 3700x?

 

Depends on what you need, but high performance options are on ITX

Because in Amazon they just have $15 difference... So I think it's ok to jump a bit higher. Is there anything bad about 3800x vs 3700x?

 

For motherboard, I don't have needs for OC and PCIe4 . So I might stick on B450.

My usage would be 24*7 running as server but want silent and low temperature... I would need 64G ram too. Any comment on MB choice ?

 

Thanks!

 

 

[Jurrunio]

4 minutes ago, Heyyo said:

Because in Amazon they just have $15 difference... So I think it's ok to jump a bit higher. Is there anything bad about 3800x vs 3700x?

nothing bad, apart from typically $40 difference

 

5 minutes ago, Heyyo said:

I would need 64G ram too. Any comment on MB choice ?

64GB is really hard to buy on 2 sticks, and those run low frequency. the Mortar it is then

[Heyyo]

45 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

nothing bad, apart from typically $40 difference

 

64GB is really hard to buy on 2 sticks, and those run low frequency. the Mortar it is then

Thank you so much for the advice.

 

What will be the best for ITX or ATX then?

 

 

[NoOneIsHome]

On 1/31/2020 at 12:22 PM, Jurrunio said:

at stock it's fine

 

does it say so in Ryzen Master?

Yes it says it in Ryzen Master every time I go near max clocks.

[Jurrunio]

19 minutes ago, NoOneIsHome said:

Yes it says it in Ryzen Master every time I go near max clocks.

Latest Windows version? This glitch originated from the time where power management works in 15ms cycles (suiting Intel CPUs) while Ryzen runs in 1ms cycles, so the reporting gets glitchy.

 

21 hours ago, Heyyo said:

What will be the best for ITX or ATX then?

Sorry for the late reply. On B450 there's the MSI ITX Gaming Plus and Gaming Pro Carbon. If you dont need this many features MSI also sells cheaper ATX boards.

[Heyyo]

4 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

Latest Windows version? This glitch originated from the time where power management works in 15ms cycles (suiting Intel CPUs) while Ryzen runs in 1ms cycles, so the reporting gets glitchy.

 

Sorry for the late reply. On B450 there's the MSI ITX Gaming Plus and Gaming Pro Carbon. If you dont need this many features MSI also sells cheaper ATX boards.

Thanks a lot.

I will stick with Mortar MAX as I have contraint on case size has to be mini tower.

I will buy 4x16GB that should fit it well

[NoOneIsHome]

8 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

Latest Windows version? This glitch originated fro

Yes everything is updated and current.

[Guest]

On 1/31/2020 at 9:05 AM, Jurrunio said:

that goes useless when you dont use it (i.e. with 3600). Also because overclocking the core does less to gaming performance than memory, so even 3700X at stock speeds with fully tuned memory is better than maxed out core clocks but crappy memory settings. Don't want to waste that B-die kit.

 

Based on results here *some ones video*

 

I do know that the Aorus Elite's heatsink is rather flat and not all spikey, guess that heatpipe does help the Taichi a lot. Probably need to revaluate the older Taichi and its variants though as their heatsinks are rather poor as well, with 40A powerstages.

I was under the impression when reading the original post the tier list was custom to your own testing??

 

Can you link all the testing results specifically the videos for LN2 top tier boards please? 

 

Perhaps list VRM amount and type for each board? Really lacks good information.... All we have is a list and nothing else to go on for specifics.

 

If not, I understand it would be time consuming, was simply inquiring.

Thanks

 

[Jurrunio]

6 hours ago, ShrimpBrime said:

I was under the impression when reading the original post the tier list was custom to your own testing??

 

Can you link all the testing results specifically the videos for LN2 top tier boards please? 

 

Perhaps list VRM amount and type for each board? Really lacks good information.... All we have is a list and nothing else to go on for specifics.

 

If not, I understand it would be time consuming, was simply inquiring.

Thanks

 

No, it's based on others testing not mine. I would like to test them myself but I cant afford to buy a setup for that until they're irrelevant.

 

VRM components is listed in the google docs link

[Guest]

Just now, Jurrunio said:

No, it's based on others testing not mine. I would like to test them myself but I cant afford to buy a setup for that until they're irrelevant.

 

VRM components is listed in the google docs link

Ah gotcha, I should have opened that, but the OP list is just super convenient!!! 

Thanks for the clarification! 

 

 

[Jurrunio]

57 minutes ago, VegetableStu said:

tally ho!

 

https://www.anandtech.com/show/15483/amd-threadripper-3990x-review/2

Ffs

[komi1997]

On 1/20/2020 at 12:11 AM, Jurrunio said:

Stock 3950X with decent cooling... I'd say minimum will be the Asrock Extreme4 and Steel Legend, preferably the Gigabyte Aorus Elite/Pro.

He will be getting Asus X570 Prime-P confirmed it with Asus that it indeed DOES support ECC RAM in ECC mode.
Another friend is getting 3900x, also stock, and getting MSI B450M Mortar Max to go alongside it, he doesn't need ECC so that mobo is just fine.

One youtuber whose reviews I trust checked memory OC on Tomahawk Max and those Crucial Balistix stuff with Micron E-Die is running 3800MHz CL16 no problem, if your 3rd gen CPU can hit 1900MHz FCLK, if not it's pointless, better keep it 3600MHz, hope friend will have luck with Mortar Max and 3900x.

Also saw comment that MSI B450-A Pro got no RGB support, but that is wrong, friend got it with r7 1700 and got a bunch of Kaze Flex RGB fans daisy-chained and connected to motherboard, think it got 2 RGB connectors, just no RGB anywhere on it, just like ASRock B450M Pro4-F got 2 RGB connectors and even 1 ARGB one.
 

[Jurrunio]

9 minutes ago, komi1997 said:

Also saw comment that MSI B450-A Pro got no RGB support, but that is wrong, friend got it with r7 1700 and got a bunch of Kaze Flex RGB fans daisy-chained and connected to motherboard, think it got 2 RGB connectors, just no RGB anywhere on it, just like ASRock B450M Pro4-F got 2 RGB connectors and even 1 ARGB one

I'm talking about it's lack of RGB headers or LEDs built onto that board. You can add expansion stuff like controllers for that, otherwise every board with multiple PCIe slots support wireless and TB3 "because you can add cards to it"