Core i5 4590s Vs Xeon E3-1230V2

[Kallekorv]

 

I am currently planning a budget PC for a relative of mine. As the title suggests I am deciding between a Xeon E3-1230V2 and an i5 4590s. 

Specs are as listed below:

Asus GTX 680 directcu II OC
HyperX genesis 8gb 1600mHz 
600W PSU

From what I've gathered the i5 has slightly better single core and quad core performance but obviously lacks hyperthreading.
I can get both processors for roughly the same price ($20 without motherboard). The primary use case will be gaming. 

Which processor would you choose out of the two?

Any and all input is appreciated. 

Thanks!

[MS-DOS Guy]

              Hyper threading won't really help to much with gaming at all. The Xeon may have hyperthreading but is less powerful and doesn't have the raw power the i5 4590s provides. So when you get to the nitty gritty of it, the i5 4590s is a better bet. If you were planning to do any workstation use the Xeon would in fact be better but since your solely directed towards gaming the Xeon is not as good as the i5 4590s. 

[Kallekorv]

2 minutes ago, MS-DOS Guy said:

              Hyper threading won't really help to much with gaming at all. The Xeon may have hyperthreading but is less powerful and doesn't have the raw power the i5 4590s provides. So when you get to the nitty gritty of it, the i5 4590s is a better bet. If you were planning to do any workstation use the Xeon would in fact be better but since your solely directed towards gaming the Xeon is not as good as the i5 4590s. 

Is there any other benefit with going LGA 1155 + the Xeon above 1150 + i5 do you reckon?

 

Resale value?

Upgrade paths?

 

Buying a Xeon this cheap kinda feels like a special opportunity

[MS-DOS Guy]

1 hour ago, Kallekorv said:

Is there any other benefit with going LGA 1155 + the Xeon above 1150 + i5 do you reckon?

 

Resale value?

Upgrade paths?

 

Buying a Xeon this cheap kinda feels like a special opportunity 

For LGA 1155 motherboards, the best processor you can get is a i7 3770k which is much better than any Sandy Bridge processor however of course you'll need a new Z77 or Z68 motherboard but it's truly a powerhouse. You could also get a i7 2600k later in the future which is more powerful than the i5 4590s especially if you consider overclocking into the factor. But truthfully, 1150 has more powerful upgrade paths like Haswell i7s etc... 
 

Just get a i5 4590s. It's marginally more powerful and has plenty of upgrade options to spare in the future. 

 

[Fasauceome]

What games do you plan on playing? If your games take up 4 cores entirely, hyperthreading will have a ton of help to run background stuff like your OS. The CPUs both have the same turbo frequency so the only benefit the i5 has would be a newer microarchitecture, which is not a huge improvement whatsoever. 

11 minutes ago, Kallekorv said:

Resale value?

Upgrade paths?

Both very limited. If possible, save for the cheapest Ryzen processor money can buy, well worth it. When Ryzen 3000 processors drop, eBay will have quite a lot of options.

[MS-DOS Guy]

3 hours ago, fasauceome said:

, hyperthreading will have a ton of help to run background stuff like your OS.

       To be clear, hyperthreading is remarkably helpful for multi-tasking but regardless of what game you run it won't really benefit it unless you like to render videos in the background while listening to music and having a discord tab open all at the same time. Other times, it can help with CAD, and productive tasks but won't truly help with gaming unless your doing severe multitasking. 

      Besides either way, I prefer having better frames then being able to multitask. If I were OP I would pick the Xeon but only for the fact that it's better for video editing, CAD or ESPECIALLY streaming. But OP wants a CPU that's directed specifically towards gaming. Hyperthreading might help in some instances in some games but never by a significant margin and the i5 4590s will always push more FPS in any title due to it's just better raw power. Besides, the i5 4590s will allow him to have bigger upgrade paths such as Haswell i7s for instance. 

 

3 hours ago, fasauceome said:

i5 has would be a newer microarchitecture, which is not a huge improvement whatsoever. 

It may not seem like a huge improvement until you look at FPS tests and benchmarks.

https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Xeon-E3-1230-V2-vs-Intel-Core-i5-4590S/m652vsm13459

 

the i5 4590s is 7% faster. And allows for bigger upgrade paths. 

[Kallekorv]

1 minute ago, fasauceome said:

What games do you plan on playing? If your games take up 4 cores entirely, hyperthreading will have a ton of help to run background stuff like your OS. The CPUs both have the same turbo frequency so the only benefit the i5 has would be a newer microarchitecture, which is not a huge improvement whatsoever. 

Both very limited. If possible, save for the cheapest Ryzen processor money can buy, well worth it. When Ryzen 3000 processors drop, eBay will have quite a lot of options.

Thanks for the input.

 

Do you think an i5 4590s with an LGA 1150 B85 motherboard for about $50 is a bad value?

 

Consider that I'm pairing it up with a gtx 680 I got for $40.

 

I'm mainly trying to get my cousin off his OEM dekstop with a core i3 4170 and integrated HD 4400 graphics... 

 

He would probably like to have it before the summer so I'm reluctant to wait for too long!

[Herman Mcpootis]

30 minutes ago, MS-DOS Guy said:

              Hyper threading won't really help to much with gaming at all. The Xeon may have hyperthreading but is less powerful and doesn't have the raw power the i5 4590s provides. So when you get to the nitty gritty of it, the i5 4590s is a better bet. If you were planning to do any workstation use the Xeon would in fact be better but since your solely directed towards gaming the Xeon is not as good as the i5 4590s. 

no. HT does help with gaming performance.

 

[MS-DOS Guy]

1 hour ago, Herman Mcpootis said:

no. HT does help with gaming performance.

Those are totally different processors? 

[Herman Mcpootis]

3 hours ago, MS-DOS Guy said:

Those are totally different processors? 

the 6700k has the same architecture as the 6600k, just a small clock speed bump and HT. notice how the 6600k has frame drops and stuttering while the 6700k is smooth? 

 

3 hours ago, Kallekorv said:

Thanks for the input.

 

Do you think an i5 4590s with an LGA 1150 B85 motherboard for about $50 is a bad value?

 

Consider that I'm pairing it up with a gtx 680 I got for $40.

 

I'm mainly trying to get my cousin off his OEM dekstop with a core i3 4170 and integrated HD 4400 graphics... 

 

He would probably like to have it before the summer so I'm reluctant to wait for too long!

you don't really need a new motherboard with that upgrade, use the money for an i7/xeon 123x v3 instead.

[MS-DOS Guy]

3 hours ago, Herman Mcpootis said:

the 6700k has the same architecture as the 6600k, just a small clock speed bump and HT. notice how the 6600k has frame drops and stuttering while the 6700k is smooth? 

Yes, but were not debating the 6600k vs the 6700k. Were seeing if an xeon with no upgrade paths and lesser demand for ( which means if he decides to resale it's going to be much harder ) vs a literally blatantly more powerful i5 4590s.

 

https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Xeon-E3-1230-V2-vs-Intel-Core-i5-4590S/m652vsm13459

 

3 hours ago, Herman Mcpootis said:

Do you think an i5 4590s with an LGA 1150 B85 motherboard for about $50 is a bad value?

That's a great value. 

 

3 hours ago, Herman Mcpootis said:

you don't really need a new motherboard with that upgrade, use the money for an i7/xeon 123x v3 instead.

What i7 are you suggesting? Because just about every i7 besides Nehalem processors which use motherboards that are really, really expensive. And sandy bridge i7s are out of the question because those are remarkably expensive as well. And everything above sandy bridge i7s are also incredibly expensive. 

[Kallekorv]

2 minutes ago, Herman Mcpootis said:

you don't really need a new motherboard with that upgrade, use the money for an i7/xeon 123x v3 instead.

Good point but seeing as I'm replacing every component except for the motherboard I might as well sell the old machine as a whole. That way I get more money back and my cousin is able to use it until I'm finished with his new build!

[Herman Mcpootis]

9 minutes ago, MS-DOS Guy said:

Yes, but were not debating the 6600k vs the 6700k. Were seeing if an xeon with no upgrade paths and lesser demand for ( which means if he decides to resale it's going to be much harder ) vs a literally blatantly more powerful i5 4590s.

 

https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Xeon-E3-1230-V2-vs-Intel-Core-i5-4590S/m652vsm13459

i'm not putting that video to compare the 6600k and 6700k, it's there to show the difference between having HT and not having it. the gap between ivy bridge and haswell is minor at best and won't help the 4590s beat the 1230 v2.

 

[Fasauceome]

3 hours ago, MS-DOS Guy said:

It may not seem like a huge improvement until you look at FPS tests and benchmarks.

https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Xeon-E3-1230-V2-vs-Intel-Core-i5-4590S/m652vsm13459

 

the i5 4590s is 7% faster. And allows for bigger upgrade paths. 

 

Userbenchmark is too general and controls for variables poorly. 7% is a small enough gap to consider then the same, and a 7% increase in CPU performance is so minimal in gaming. The upgrade path is also effectively the same, the motherboard is likely to be upgraded in the next upgrade, a 4770 is not likely to cut the mustard when performance is no longer up to snuff.

 

3 hours ago, Kallekorv said:

Thanks for the input.

 

Do you think an i5 4590s with an LGA 1150 B85 motherboard for about $50 is a bad value?

 

Consider that I'm pairing it up with a gtx 680 I got for $40.

 

I'm mainly trying to get my cousin off his OEM dekstop with a core i3 4170 and integrated HD 4400 graphics... 

 

He would probably like to have it before the summer so I'm reluctant to wait for too long!

I think that since the market is changing so much soon, you might find a better deal than a $50 B85 board and an old Haswell quad core.

[MS-DOS Guy]

1 hour ago, Herman Mcpootis said:

i'm not putting that video to compare the 6600k and 6700k, it's there to show the difference between having HT and not having it.

The 6700k by default is more powerful than the 6600k with or without HT on. The xeon is not, it's significantly worse. Besides, it provides little to none upgrade paths which is something that is on OP's criteria of a good processor to get. LGA 1155 motherboards are also kind of expensive now ( $70^ ) unless you get a cheapo motherboard with bad VRM and other stuff. LGA 1150 are much, much cheaper. 

[Herman Mcpootis]

24 minutes ago, Kallekorv said:

Good point but seeing as I'm replacing every component except for the motherboard I might as well sell the old machine as a whole. That way I get more money back and my cousin is able to use it until I'm finished with his new build!

still, stick with an i7 or xeon equivalent, the i5s will choke in games when you upgrade to a 1660ti tier performing GPU or higher.

Edited May 16, 2019 by Herman Mcpootis
so that some people will get it

[MS-DOS Guy]

59 minutes ago, Herman Mcpootis said:

still, stick with an i7 or xeon equivalent, the i5s will choke in games when you upgrade to a 1660ti or higher.

What? First off, don't get a 1660TI get a 980 TI as there more powerful and cheaper. 

Second off, I just explained that xeon has more expensive motherboard making the i5 4590s more cost efficient. Like, alot more cost efficient. 

[Herman Mcpootis]

1 minute ago, MS-DOS Guy said:

The 6700k by default is more powerful than the 6600k with or without HT on. The xeon is not, it's significantly worse. Besides, it provides little to none upgrade paths which is something that is on OP's criteria of a good processor to get. LGA 1155 motherboards are also kind of expensive now ( $70^ ) unless you get a cheapo motherboard with bad VRM and other stuff. LGA 1150 are much, much cheaper. 

right, because lga 1150 definitely has much better upgrade paths. oh wait, it's just another i7/xeon 123x v3 with the same core/thread count and minor performance increase. also, i'm only comparing between performance here because of your post, stop moving goalposts.

[MS-DOS Guy]

2 hours ago, fasauceome said:

The upgrade path is also effectively the same,

Really? Because LGA 1155 is Sandy Bridge. I7 3770k ( but is only 5% more faster than the 2600k ) is the most fastest LGA 1155 cpu. And the i7 3770k doesn't even compare to a Haswell i7. Saying the upgrade path is the same, is remarkably misleading. 

 

2 hours ago, Herman Mcpootis said:

right, because lga 1150 definitely has much better upgrade paths. oh wait, it's just another i7/xeon 123x v3 with the same core/thread count and minor performance increase. also, i'm only comparing between performance here because of your post, stop moving goalposts.

Yeah it kinda does. A Haswell i7 outperforms any LGA 1155 CPU. Don't believe me? Do your research and find out for yourself. 

 

Besides, the i5 4590s is just generally more cost effective. Motherboards are much cheaper, and you will have the option to upgrade to outstandingly more power CPUs to push even more frames. 

 

This is Witcher 3 Gameplay footage for a i5 4590s and a 1060 6gb

This is gameplay footage for the same game but with an Xeon E3-1230V2 ( the one were debating on ) 
and a 1060 6gb likewise.

 

 

[Fasauceome]

23 minutes ago, MS-DOS Guy said:

Really? Because LGA 1155 is Sandy Bridge. I7 3770k ( but is only 5% more faster than the 2600k ) is the most fastest LGA 1155 cpu. And the i7 3770k doesn't even compare to a Haswell i7. Saying the upgrade path is the same, is remarkably misleading. 

The upgrade to a 4770 over a 3770 would be a negligible gain in performance. The next upgrade should be a new platform, when the time comes, for better value. It's the "same" because it will have the same effect.

[MS-DOS Guy]

1 hour ago, fasauceome said:

The upgrade to a 4770 over a 3770 would be a negligible gain in performance.

              That maybe true, but buying a non-k i7 4770 would also be a useless purchase since they cost the same as a i7 4770k ( roughly ) and a i7 3770 also being a useless purchase since a i7 2600k is about the same performance and costs less. So both, an 4770 and a 3770 are both stupid purchases. However, a i7 4770k vs a i7 3770k ( the best of lga 1150 and 1155 ) are quite a considerable difference. Especially if you include overclocking in hand. So perhaps a 4770 over a 3770 would be a negligible gain in performance. But if you go higher up the scale, it's a different story. And it's clear, that 1150 as alot more to offer in contrast to lga 1155. 

[Fasauceome]

Just now, MS-DOS Guy said:

buying a non-k i7 4770 would also be a useless purchase since they cost the same as a i7 4770k ( roughly )

Where??? I would love a 4770k at $130 but that's not what they sell for.

 

1 minute ago, MS-DOS Guy said:

a i7 4770k vs a i7 3770k ( the best of lga 1150 and 1155 ) are quite a considerable difference

no, unless you're looking at userbenmark, which is super unreliable.

[MS-DOS Guy]

1 hour ago, fasauceome said:

Where??? I would love a 4770k at $130 but that's not what they sell for.

notice how I said roughly. It's a $20.00 price difference. Seriously, that's like pocket money. It isn't that much of a difference. 

 

1 hour ago, fasauceome said:

no, unless you're looking at userbenmark, which is super unreliable.

Your right, it's unreliable, it's not like Linus has used it on multiple occasions and other tech channels such as Gamer Nexus, Bitwit etc... 

    Also, if you don't believe there different then show me some FPS tests. Elaborate, because I've done my research. 

[Fasauceome]

4 minutes ago, MS-DOS Guy said:

Your right, it's unreliable, it's not like Linus has used it on multiple occasions and other tech channels such as Gamer Nexus, Bitwit etc... 

I can't remember any occasions of these YouTubers using it, GamersNexus especially. 

 

4 minutes ago, MS-DOS Guy said:

Also, if you don't believe there different then show me some FPS tests. Elaborate, because I've done my research

If your research involves those YouTube videos that are piles of fps numbers with edm over it, those are unreliable as well. 

 

I haven't got benchmarks as much as I've got experience, I value that a ton more than inaccurate, arbitrary numbers from inaccurate sources.

[MS-DOS Guy]

59 minutes ago, fasauceome said:

If your research involves those YouTube videos that are piles of fps numbers with edm over it, those are unreliable as well. 

Then what is your evidence? Oh by the way, here is some Cinebench scores from youtube. 

 

1 hour ago, fasauceome said:

I can't remember any occasions of these YouTubers using it, GamersNexus especially. 

Well I've had seen them use userbenchmark on several occasions. Not recently, but it has happen.