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This is pretty cool: I dropped power to 70% and temps dropped about 10c and performance is more or less the same. In Tetris Effect, temps dropped 20c and still keeps at my monitor's refreshrate ceiling.
 
It may be fisher price compared to over/under clocking/volting, but it's a start!

LMAO ... the privilege of OP.
 
"How dare a company refund my money when they can't deliver my order" 
 
They owe you your pre-order money or a card. They can't deliver a card. They gave your money back. You're getting nothing more from this exchange.
 
 

I ordered a Gigabyte Waterforce 3080 AIO on Dec 29th, and this morning, 122 days later, they cancelled the order without my consent. I already paid them: they have my money, I went in store. I had to drive to CC to figure out what was wrong and while I got my refund, they would not allow me to pre-order another.
 
When I asked them what's up, they said they "don't want people to wait so [they're] cancelling orders". I said I didn't mind waiting: it's been four months at this point, surely I'm at least halfway up the list and he shrugged. He then mentioned he has a 3080 on order himself and he knows the wait sucks, so when I asked if his was cancelled, he said of course not, he wouldn't allow his store to cancel an employee order. So why assume I'm sick of waiting and cancel my order without my consent?
 
I just don't get how a company operates this way. They've held my money ransom for four months and I have nothing to show for it. I know the circumstances sucks for everyone, including vendors, but how about some accountability? Why are they selling prebuilts with 3000 series cards when I can't just get a GPU? The price even increased while I was waiting, and they promised they'd honor the original price. Now it's like $250 more expensive, plus I'd be at the bottom of a waitlist if I decide to re-preorder.
 
I've used CC exclusively for all my PC related stuff, even some ancillary stuff like chairs and other electronics, for maybe 8-9 years. And not so much as a courtesy call "hey do you still want this?" or anything, just straight up cancelled with no warning. I would not have minded waiting: if it took another four months, I was game: I had my place in line set in stone, and now I have nothing to show for it.
 
Just to show I'm not a anti-CC shill, here's my purchase (right) and refund (left) receipts:
 

 
And what I ended up waking up to this morning:
 

 
I hoped to replace a dying 2080 I have hence the order. CC told me on day 1, expect a 4-6 week wait, which I could manage. I'm still managing but at the cost of not being able to really play anything due to artifacting and coil whine on my GPU. That's why it was important I kept my spot, when now I have to contend with scalpers or even an older GPU. I just really wish they didn't cancel on me, or at least they could have given me some options.
 
Sorry for the rant, it's just so incredibly frustrating dealing with this company.

A few days ago I noticed Canada Computers had a 1-2 year long backorder time for many of the 3080's, so this might be them trying to save face that they aren't getting any.

Last week I bought a Noctua NH-L9x65 cooler for my Ryzen 2600. I sort of wanted to fit a 120mm fan on it, and after trying to make my own fan clip with steel wire, I gave up and decided to pick up a Noctua NH-L12S to replace it.
 
Since I have two low profile Noctua coolers in my possession at the moment, I thought why not benchmark them against each other? I don't have equipment to test sound level, but using Aida64 I can compare their idle temperatures and their temperatures under a synthetic load. I'm doing this test partly out of curiosity but also due to the lack of comparisons I could find online. I think I found two or three, neither of which use my CPU, and I wanted to see for myself how they fare head-to-head. System configuration (or what I think is important for the tests):
Ryzen 5 2600 2x8gb DDR4-3000 Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro Gigabyte X470 Aorus Ultimate Gaming Silverstone FT02 The FT02 has three 180mm Silverstone AP181 intake fans. I've used them on their "low setting" of 700rpm. The FT02 also has one 120mm exhaust fan (don't know model) which is controlled by the motherboard, although the FT02 spec sheet says 1200rpm. These are the only case fans and admittedly, after five plus years of use, they're not pristine or perform as you'd expect brand new fans.
 
The two coolers are tested. The L9x65 is tested with the stock NF-A9x14 and the L12S is tested with the stock NF-A12x15 (Fan A, 1850rpm) and separately with an NF-P12 (Fan B, 1700rpm). Both Fan A and Fan B are atop the L12S in a push configuration. All fans plugged into the CPU_FAN header on the motherboard and no speed reducer cables are used. Gigabyte's Smart 5 fan curving is used with the below values:
30% fan speed at 25c 40% at 35c 55% at 45c 75% at 55c 100% at 65c So two coolers, one of which have two fan configs gives three tests. I've also done the same tests with a slight overclock, giving six tests total. The stock 2600 speed is 3.4ghz and my overclock is at 3.7ghz. AMD C&Q is disabled in BIOS.
 
I used Aida64 benching CPU, FPU, cache, and system memory together to give an idea of a strong 100% load. Tests were run for 20 minutes and I report the idle temperature, the average temperature, and the maximum temperature. The maximum temperature is there because sometimes a test may have spiked or landed at a certain temperature briefly before normalizing. The average temperature is indicative of the CPU temperature. I don't know ambient temperature but my thermostat in an adjacent room says 21.5c. In no test did I have throttling issues.
 
The statistics screen of Aida64 gives me the summary for each test:
 
L9x65 stock
L9x65 OC
L12S stock w/ Fan A
L12S OC w/ Fan A
L12S stock w/ Fan B
L12S OC w/ Fan B
 
And put into a chart:
 

 
MSRP for the L9x65 and L12S respectively in Canada are $59.99 and $79.99. For $20 more, I'm able to drop a good few degrees using the stock fan and an additional degree or two using a different 120mm fan. Something interesting is changing the fan from a 15mm thick one to a 25mm one did little to the temperature, at least nothing outside the margin of error. The maximum temperature for the OC tests are just spikes in the temperature I'm not sure what cause. Still, on the whole, the difference in average temperature is minimal. Clearly if you have a 25mm thick 120mm fan (or the NF-P12 specifically) lying around, definitely use it, but it's not a dramatic change.
 
One thing I wish I could do is compare against the stock AMD Wraith cooler the CPU comes with. I personally don't like putting these coolers on because they're hard to take off for me, so unfortunately those results are absent. Something not graphed but apparent looking at the tests is the bigger 120mm fan cooled GPU and motherboard. There's a 2-3 degree difference using the 15mm thick fan versus the 25mm thick one. I'm mostly concerned with CPU temps so take from that what you will.
 
You can make your own conclusion from this: if you're on a budget, the L9x65 is a splendid cooler, but if you can spend a touch more, the L12S does bring the temps down a bit. Both are low profile so perfect for small form factor or slimline builds.

I've never disassembled a GPU, I wonder the process.
 
I just watched his video on the M2 and I'm definitely intrigued. Fan flexibility is a must, and the M2 I could pop Noctua fans on there. 15-30c delta is crazy, definitely on my radar once I can conclude it'll work on 2070.

Last week I bought a Noctua NH-L9x65 cooler for my Ryzen 2600. I sort of wanted to fit a 120mm fan on it, and after trying to make my own fan clip with steel wire, I gave up and decided to pick up a Noctua NH-L12S to replace it.
 
Since I have two low profile Noctua coolers in my possession at the moment, I thought why not benchmark them against each other? I don't have equipment to test sound level, but using Aida64 I can compare their idle temperatures and their temperatures under a synthetic load. I'm doing this test partly out of curiosity but also due to the lack of comparisons I could find online. I think I found two or three, neither of which use my CPU, and I wanted to see for myself how they fare head-to-head. System configuration (or what I think is important for the tests):
Ryzen 5 2600 2x8gb DDR4-3000 Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro Gigabyte X470 Aorus Ultimate Gaming Silverstone FT02 The FT02 has three 180mm Silverstone AP181 intake fans. I've used them on their "low setting" of 700rpm. The FT02 also has one 120mm exhaust fan (don't know model) which is controlled by the motherboard, although the FT02 spec sheet says 1200rpm. These are the only case fans and admittedly, after five plus years of use, they're not pristine or perform as you'd expect brand new fans.
 
The two coolers are tested. The L9x65 is tested with the stock NF-A9x14 and the L12S is tested with the stock NF-A12x15 (Fan A, 1850rpm) and separately with an NF-P12 (Fan B, 1700rpm). Both Fan A and Fan B are atop the L12S in a push configuration. All fans plugged into the CPU_FAN header on the motherboard and no speed reducer cables are used. Gigabyte's Smart 5 fan curving is used with the below values:
30% fan speed at 25c 40% at 35c 55% at 45c 75% at 55c 100% at 65c So two coolers, one of which have two fan configs gives three tests. I've also done the same tests with a slight overclock, giving six tests total. The stock 2600 speed is 3.4ghz and my overclock is at 3.7ghz. AMD C&Q is disabled in BIOS.
 
I used Aida64 benching CPU, FPU, cache, and system memory together to give an idea of a strong 100% load. Tests were run for 20 minutes and I report the idle temperature, the average temperature, and the maximum temperature. The maximum temperature is there because sometimes a test may have spiked or landed at a certain temperature briefly before normalizing. The average temperature is indicative of the CPU temperature. I don't know ambient temperature but my thermostat in an adjacent room says 21.5c. In no test did I have throttling issues.
 
The statistics screen of Aida64 gives me the summary for each test:
 
L9x65 stock
L9x65 OC
L12S stock w/ Fan A
L12S OC w/ Fan A
L12S stock w/ Fan B
L12S OC w/ Fan B
 
And put into a chart:
 

 
MSRP for the L9x65 and L12S respectively in Canada are $59.99 and $79.99. For $20 more, I'm able to drop a good few degrees using the stock fan and an additional degree or two using a different 120mm fan. Something interesting is changing the fan from a 15mm thick one to a 25mm one did little to the temperature, at least nothing outside the margin of error. The maximum temperature for the OC tests are just spikes in the temperature I'm not sure what cause. Still, on the whole, the difference in average temperature is minimal. Clearly if you have a 25mm thick 120mm fan (or the NF-P12 specifically) lying around, definitely use it, but it's not a dramatic change.
 
One thing I wish I could do is compare against the stock AMD Wraith cooler the CPU comes with. I personally don't like putting these coolers on because they're hard to take off for me, so unfortunately those results are absent. Something not graphed but apparent looking at the tests is the bigger 120mm fan cooled GPU and motherboard. There's a 2-3 degree difference using the 15mm thick fan versus the 25mm thick one. I'm mostly concerned with CPU temps so take from that what you will.
 
You can make your own conclusion from this: if you're on a budget, the L9x65 is a splendid cooler, but if you can spend a touch more, the L12S does bring the temps down a bit. Both are low profile so perfect for small form factor or slimline builds.

Last week I bought a Noctua NH-L9x65 cooler for my Ryzen 2600. I sort of wanted to fit a 120mm fan on it, and after trying to make my own fan clip with steel wire, I gave up and decided to pick up a Noctua NH-L12S to replace it.
 
Since I have two low profile Noctua coolers in my possession at the moment, I thought why not benchmark them against each other? I don't have equipment to test sound level, but using Aida64 I can compare their idle temperatures and their temperatures under a synthetic load. I'm doing this test partly out of curiosity but also due to the lack of comparisons I could find online. I think I found two or three, neither of which use my CPU, and I wanted to see for myself how they fare head-to-head. System configuration (or what I think is important for the tests):
Ryzen 5 2600 2x8gb DDR4-3000 Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro Gigabyte X470 Aorus Ultimate Gaming Silverstone FT02 The FT02 has three 180mm Silverstone AP181 intake fans. I've used them on their "low setting" of 700rpm. The FT02 also has one 120mm exhaust fan (don't know model) which is controlled by the motherboard, although the FT02 spec sheet says 1200rpm. These are the only case fans and admittedly, after five plus years of use, they're not pristine or perform as you'd expect brand new fans.
 
The two coolers are tested. The L9x65 is tested with the stock NF-A9x14 and the L12S is tested with the stock NF-A12x15 (Fan A, 1850rpm) and separately with an NF-P12 (Fan B, 1700rpm). Both Fan A and Fan B are atop the L12S in a push configuration. All fans plugged into the CPU_FAN header on the motherboard and no speed reducer cables are used. Gigabyte's Smart 5 fan curving is used with the below values:
30% fan speed at 25c 40% at 35c 55% at 45c 75% at 55c 100% at 65c So two coolers, one of which have two fan configs gives three tests. I've also done the same tests with a slight overclock, giving six tests total. The stock 2600 speed is 3.4ghz and my overclock is at 3.7ghz. AMD C&Q is disabled in BIOS.
 
I used Aida64 benching CPU, FPU, cache, and system memory together to give an idea of a strong 100% load. Tests were run for 20 minutes and I report the idle temperature, the average temperature, and the maximum temperature. The maximum temperature is there because sometimes a test may have spiked or landed at a certain temperature briefly before normalizing. The average temperature is indicative of the CPU temperature. I don't know ambient temperature but my thermostat in an adjacent room says 21.5c. In no test did I have throttling issues.
 
The statistics screen of Aida64 gives me the summary for each test:
 
L9x65 stock
L9x65 OC
L12S stock w/ Fan A
L12S OC w/ Fan A
L12S stock w/ Fan B
L12S OC w/ Fan B
 
And put into a chart:
 

 
MSRP for the L9x65 and L12S respectively in Canada are $59.99 and $79.99. For $20 more, I'm able to drop a good few degrees using the stock fan and an additional degree or two using a different 120mm fan. Something interesting is changing the fan from a 15mm thick one to a 25mm one did little to the temperature, at least nothing outside the margin of error. The maximum temperature for the OC tests are just spikes in the temperature I'm not sure what cause. Still, on the whole, the difference in average temperature is minimal. Clearly if you have a 25mm thick 120mm fan (or the NF-P12 specifically) lying around, definitely use it, but it's not a dramatic change.
 
One thing I wish I could do is compare against the stock AMD Wraith cooler the CPU comes with. I personally don't like putting these coolers on because they're hard to take off for me, so unfortunately those results are absent. Something not graphed but apparent looking at the tests is the bigger 120mm fan cooled GPU and motherboard. There's a 2-3 degree difference using the 15mm thick fan versus the 25mm thick one. I'm mostly concerned with CPU temps so take from that what you will.
 
You can make your own conclusion from this: if you're on a budget, the L9x65 is a splendid cooler, but if you can spend a touch more, the L12S does bring the temps down a bit. Both are low profile so perfect for small form factor or slimline builds.

Check the FPU/Cache/Memory as well as it puts a full load on the full CPU and SOC things like the Memory controller and such. 

I've done this whole thing before and ended up with a pretty good result. The 120mm fan cooled considerably better than the 92mm fan that came with the L9x65.
 
The stock fan brackets didn't work for me either. I used copper wire to pull through the mounting holes - connecting to the lip where they would usually mount.  It's been running for about a year on this config and I've had zero problems.
I really recommend adding the 120mm fan on with wire before mounting the heatsink to anything. It makes it much easier.
 
Here's another MS Paint drawing of how I did it. The wire is grey in this example. (120mm x 25mm fan connected to L9x65 via wire)
MS Paint Skill 1000

It depends on your eyes quite a bit. For most people, it seems to be around the 80-100 range that gets the most benefit. You can tell 100 Hz vs 144 Hz vs 240 Hz when it's side by side, but the actual benefit is hard for most people to notice once you get to 100 Hz. For LCD-type panels, 60 Hz is just a little low. Even 75 Hz is noticeably better.
 
That being said, resolution, panel quality & size are far more important considerations for buying, firstly.

Those are good temperatures.  Idle temperature doesn't mean much of anything as long as your load temperatures are good and low, and 53c under load is quite low.  If you want to bring idle temperature down you can set the fan curve on your CPU to run faster at lower temperatures.  I think your CPU fan is just running really slow at idle because it doesn't need to go any higher.

Hi there. I decided this Boxing Day to build my first PC. I've always used laptops but wanted to try my hand at building a desktop. I bought most of the build brand new but a friend gave me an older case and PSU from 2013. Here's my specs:
Ryzen 5 2600 Noctua NH-L9x65 heatsink Gigabyte X470 Aorus Ultimate Gaming 2x8gb Corsair DDR4-3000 Gigabyte RTX 2070 Seasonic X850 PSU Silverstone FT02 case Samsung 970 EVO 250gb NVME drive Using the supplied Noctua thermal paste, I'm getting a 36c idle temperature and using Aida64 for 10 minutes gives me 53c temperature under load. I'm happy with the load temperature but the idle temperature seems high with an ambient temperature of 23c or so. The friend who gave me the case and PSU had it with an i5-3570k system, and he was getting a 25c idle, 40c load temperature although I don't know what cooler he had.
 
I originally did the "uncooked rice" method for thermal paste application and I was getting 44c idle, 58c load, and using the stock AMD cooler (with whatever paste is preapplied) I was getting 40c idle, 68c load. My most recent temps of 36c idle, 53c load is using the "frozen pea" method. I've attached a photo of my newest application (since I've redone it a dozen or so times thinking I did it wrong).
 
Am I doing something wrong? I have XMP enabled overclocking my RAM to 3000mhz but I turned off whatever adaptive overclock for CPU Gigabyte has. I'm stuck at the 3400mhz ceiling for CPU. It just seems very hot and I don't know why.
 

Thanks for this! In BIOS, I can adjust fan speeds (the only ones are exhaust and CPU fan, intake are powered by molex) and I've adjusted them to get a better temp range of 34c idle to 51c load.
 
Old:
15% at 25c 25% at 35c 40% at 45c 60% at 55c 100% at 65c New:
30% at 25c 40% at 35c 55% at 45c 75% at 55c 100% at 65c Noctua fans are supremely quiet, so I don't really notice a difference at all.

I know really anything below 90 is still fine, maybe I'm just trying to "minmax" things. I just wanted to make sure I didn't make a mistake.

Judging by the comments, I guess I'm good. Thanks guys!
 
Just for curiosity sake and maybe someone reads this in the future, I did some tests with different applications and heatsink orientations:
 
AMD Cooler with AMD paste 40c idle, 68c load NH-L9x65 with Noctua paste heat fins perpendicular to air flow "uncooked rice" application 46c idle, 59c load "frozen pea" application 37c idle, 53c load heat fins parallel to air flow "uncooked rice" application 44c idle, 58c load "frozen pea" application 36c idle, 53c load  
All using Aida64 stress test after 10 minutes or so.