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    ShadowChaser got a reaction from Mikey2020uk in Putting a pc into a ps2 fat shell   
    The best way to figure out component placement is to model it, but if that isn't an option mocking everything up out of paper or cardboard or whatnot can help you visualize how much space you need versus how much you have in the phat PS2
     
    I can't find much info on that shuttle but it seems the motherboard is mini dtx-ish? You definitely need a smaller cpu cooler for sure, and likely a different psu if you want it internal.
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    ShadowChaser got a reaction from bmx6454 in How to make a 6-pin power cable work on an 8-pin plug?   
    I was actually looking at that - my understanding is that if sense B isn't connected the pcie device assumes that it's the 75W standard and not the 120W standard. This matters because this card in particular draws very little power from the pcie slot and >90W of its 120W-ish power draw comes from the 8-pin. While I know the cable can handle it I guess I'll just need to have the card in hand to see if it works  
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    ShadowChaser got a reaction from DJ46 in Budget Ryzen Sleeper Build... in an Xbox 360!   
    Here's another incremental update as I wait for parts!
     
    Decided to crack down on my power and thermal budget today and spent about 90 minutes playing around with the 3600. I ended up settling at 3.9Ghz all core @ 1.1v and with the stock fan strapped to the heatsink this thing sits at a cool 65C under load on open air, while also drawing about ~50W in Cinebench and ~55W with Prime95. I'm very happy with this result, though I wish I could have more granular control over specific core load clocks like I can on my 8700K. If I could bump the clock up to 4Ghz+ while only loading 2 cores that would be swell  but hey, 3524 in Cinebench R20 ain't shabby for this kind of power draw!
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    ShadowChaser got a reaction from Haro in undervolt i7 9750h   
    Have you verified that you are in fact getting a voltage offset, and if you are, are you getting lower temps compared to stock or higher clocks compared to stock? 8th and 9th gen mobile just runs toasty unless the cooling is up to snuff so you do have a thermal limit you're working against. You should specifically monitor your cpu power usage - if it's not in XTU run HWinfo64 side by side to get more data!
     
    With throttlestop on a 8750H I can very easily get -100mv on core, cache, and SA, and that dropped my power draw by about 7-8W under load. You may have to invest time and effort into repasting your laptop or even liquid metalling it if you can't get the results you want. I personally went with that route and my CPU + GPU load temps still hover in the 80s.
     
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    ShadowChaser got a reaction from Ross Siggers in I have a Dream...The Dreamcast SFF build!   
    Still can't get over how sexy that GPU looks!
     
    The rear looks really slick with the new mesh too  
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    ShadowChaser got a reaction from Ross Siggers in Budget Ryzen Sleeper Build... in an Xbox 360!   
    Here's another incremental update as I wait for parts!
     
    Decided to crack down on my power and thermal budget today and spent about 90 minutes playing around with the 3600. I ended up settling at 3.9Ghz all core @ 1.1v and with the stock fan strapped to the heatsink this thing sits at a cool 65C under load on open air, while also drawing about ~50W in Cinebench and ~55W with Prime95. I'm very happy with this result, though I wish I could have more granular control over specific core load clocks like I can on my 8700K. If I could bump the clock up to 4Ghz+ while only loading 2 cores that would be swell  but hey, 3524 in Cinebench R20 ain't shabby for this kind of power draw!
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    ShadowChaser reacted to Ross Siggers in Budget Ryzen Sleeper Build... in an Xbox 360!   
    Not to mention ram is easily upgradeable down the line, to get the build together/designed the amount of memory isn't as important. At this stage at least. 
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    ShadowChaser got a reaction from Ross Siggers in Budget Ryzen Sleeper Build... in an Xbox 360!   
    This is also meant to do some video editing and CAD work when I need it to, and I'm quite the multitasker when it comes to just having a ton of applications open, so in my case the extra cores would benefit myself a lot! If I had gone with a 1600AF I would have lost some single threaded performance, which isn't ideal since many of the games I do play are e-sporty and meant for high refresh, while the others are very much sight-seeing AAA-esque titles.
     
    I'm hoping that this will be a killer LAN PC, and seeing that the new MS flight sim is coming soon I want this to be able to handle it! Though if I had really thought about it I probably would have gone for the 3300X if it meant doubling my RAM to 16GB
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    ShadowChaser got a reaction from Ross Siggers in Budget Ryzen Sleeper Build... in an Xbox 360!   
    Now that I've seen the benchmarks of the new Ryzen 3 CPUs, I must say that they do look amazing for the budget gamer! The 3300X is a killer deal at $120
    I still think that $170 for a 3600 was the right decision for myself, but I might have to do a deep dive into thermal performance of the 3300X vs what I have currently as the cooler is very much a limiting factor.
     
    I've also placed an order for a 1660 Ti, which I know is not the 1650S I originally thought I'd go with. However EVGA's 1660 Ti SC Ultra was at a killer price ($220 after tax and s/h) and it should be good to go with its very simple heatpipe layout and excellent performance. I think this system is turning out to be quite the portable powerhouse, though at quite the cost penalty, having spent $100 over what I originally intended to. I hope it was worth it!
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    ShadowChaser got a reaction from Jbeginner in Beginner affordable but nice build   
    Might I be devil's advocate and suggest the GTX 1650 Super? Yes, it only has 4GB of memory but I personally find it unlikely that one would need more from a card of this caliber. It's roughly on par with the RX 580 and sips power in comparison, for a very similar price of about ~230 CAD.
     
    As for the motherboard the one above listed by @Fasauceome is a great choice but all you really need is the cheapest B450 motherboard you can find with VRM heatsinks, which at the moment seems the be the Asrock B450M Pro4, a motherboard I personally can attest to.
     
    The ram above is also a great choice, but in case its price increases, look for the cheapest 3000+ mhz kit that doesn't have terrible latency, such as a 3000 or 3200 CL16, etc. You can elect to get an 8GB kit (2x4GB) at the present and save some money to put towards a secondary hard drive or a larger SSD!
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    ShadowChaser got a reaction from Ross Siggers in Budget Ryzen Sleeper Build... in an Xbox 360!   
    Yes, it'll be laid flat in its final form. The motherboard sits in the glossy half and extending about ~1" into the matte side. That vent will be used for extra GPU cooling, most likely, if I strap a thin 80mm fan in there  
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    ShadowChaser got a reaction from Ross Siggers in Budget Ryzen Sleeper Build... in an Xbox 360!   
    Here's another incremental update while I wait for parts. I'm starting to see a trend here...
     
    Anyway! First things first I ripped off the old VRM block and stuck some cheapo aluminum heatsinks on the MOSFETs, did the same for the super i/o chip, and removed the decorative plate on the chipset heatsink. I swear this is the only B450 board with a real chipset heatsink, though the B450 doesn't heat up like X570 does. It totes boots, yo!
     
    I began throwing together a temporary motherboard mount that didn't involve LEGO so I could make my final rear I/O measurements. Rapid prototyping is a godsend, seriously. Though my modelling could probably be better.
     
    Cutting away the rear for the I/O was (un)surprisingly difficult. I think it turned out ok, but the chassis definitely didn't help with it's geometry where I needed the audio outputs
    To be fair the worst of it is hidden behind the outer plastic shell, phew! 
     
    And just to make sure I wasn't going crazy, I semi-attached the front panel and spun up the intake fans. The airflow path I envisioned does indeed work, however the amount of airflow I was getting was frankly terrible. I will have to investigate and see if this amount of air will be enough to cool even my CPU.
     
    I mean, it still looks like an Xbox 360, doesn't it?

     
     
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    ShadowChaser got a reaction from Fatih19 in Budget Ryzen Sleeper Build... in an Xbox 360!   
    Got the 3600 which will perform just as well in games if not better - the 3300x/3100 was purely a cost optimized choice. I got some extra cash and so I got the 3600 - for my workflow it'll be much better as well!
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    ShadowChaser got a reaction from Ross Siggers in Budget Ryzen Sleeper Build... in an Xbox 360!   
    It was just the original plan - right now it's looking like I'll budget 45W for the CPU and 85W for the GPU, both are targets which should be doable with the components I've chosen. add in another ~25W for other components and it'll likely land around 150-160W peak and probably around 120W in game. That's the hope, at least  
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    ShadowChaser reacted to Ross Siggers in I have a Dream...The Dreamcast SFF build!   
    I lied!!!

    I completely forgot I'd run the Crysis benchmark before I tried Deus Ex. It failed to spit out a result so I ended up going with Mankind Divided isntead. I went back to it just now, and the previous run was actually there, so I booted it up a second time to get a new reading.  The margins were slightly less impressive, but still nothing to sniff at. Crysis is a weird game; it's performance scaling seems a bit inconsistent these days, but it's just for fun  

    Max settings in 1080p, vsync off with 4x msaa.
     


    Minimum FPS went up by   25%
    Maximum went up by   22%
    Average was up   34%
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    ShadowChaser reacted to Ross Siggers in I have a Dream...The Dreamcast SFF build!   
    So... My beefier riser cable arrived 💦 And I got to find out if A. I'd ordered the right length and B. If it fitted inside the case at all... It was definitely a tight fit, but I routed it the same way, down the middle of the ram sticks. It fitted beautifully. 
     

     

     

     

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    ShadowChaser reacted to Ross Siggers in Budget Ryzen Sleeper Build... in an Xbox 360!   
    @ShadowChaser is making the existing front panel work a possibility? I guess it all depends on the wiring behind it, I know the 2nd gen 360 uses some kind of ribbon cable or the buttons, which sucks. The PS2 I've got is similar too. The metal cage thing I think is a very Microsoft style of construction. I've not looked inside any other newer consoles, but the OG Xbox was the same as well. But, if i ever modified one of those I'd remove the cage entirely, those things are TANKS.   
     
    And being worried about making mistakes? Geez tell me about it, I'd put things off for weeks or even months because there was a particularly major or precise cut that i didn't want to make, knowing how tricky it would be. You dremel skills will definitely get leveled up on this build  
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    ShadowChaser reacted to Ross Siggers in Budget Ryzen Sleeper Build... in an Xbox 360!   
    Dude this is progressing so fast, its going to be amazing! It'll be interesting to see how much of the metal skeleton is left afterwards, consoles are constructed so differently these days compared to the my Dreamcast; On that everything is bolted directly to the shell because the plastics are thicker, especially the floor. That's what made it possible really.

    Also loving the 3D printed parts. I'm toying with buying a cheap 3D printer at the moment, I can imagine it'll make mounting much easier in plenty of places. I love the server style airflow and taking advantage of the pre-exsisting slatted areas too. I've got an OG PS2 that I was going to modify and I was going to do exactly the same thing as you, cut between the slats to make the case much more open. Did it take long? 
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    ShadowChaser got a reaction from Ross Siggers in Budget Ryzen Sleeper Build... in an Xbox 360!   
    I've always been an SFF and 'bang-for-buck' enthusiast, and now that I have more down time than usual, I thought I'd build a PC that would scratch both itches. Money is tight, at least in terms of what I can spend, and of course SFF only makes that problem worse. Either way, I want to make a decent sleeper build that's small enough to just tuck into a bag and travel with. I've been thinking about this project for a long time, and I'm finally committed to making it happen. So, without further ado, here's the list of parts I'm planning on using:
     
    PCPartPicker Part List: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jC7kmg
    CPU: Ryzen 5 1600AF ($85.00)
    CPU Cooler: Reeven Vanxie 24.82 CFM CPU Cooler  ($19.99) 
    Motherboard: MSI B450I GAMING PLUS AC Mini ITX AM4 Motherboard  ($119.99) 
    Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory  ($79.99 @ Newegg) 
    Storage: Sabrent Rocket 512 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  ($49.99) 
    Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 1650 SUPER 4 GB AERO ITX OC Video Card 
    PSU: HDPLEX 200W DC-ATX ($62.50)
    Total: $417.46
     
    The parts in italics are ones that I still am deciding on, and the others I either already have or have already purchased. In light of the upcoming 3rd Gen Ryzen 3 processors I will likely wait on the CPU purchase until those are available. You may have noticed the PSU choice, and that's because of the sleeper part of this build.
     
    It will be built in this:

     
    Now, now, I know that Xbox PCs are commonplace, but while this isn't my first USFF build, it will be the first one in which I'll have to mod my case. I think it'll be a fun and interesting experience, at least I certainly hope so. I was inspired by the Dreamcast Sleeper Build done by @Ross Siggers but I'm definitely not going to attempt something as ludicrous as that, so the Xbox 360 E was my first choice, given that it's the only console I own and rather out of date. It also only works half the time so it's about time to retire the poor thing.
     
    At 4.4L externally it's already the smallest of the 360 lineup, and at just over 3.3L on the inside I really wish Microsoft had been wiser with their use of the space inside.
    Here you can see visually that, from the outside, there appears to be plenty of room with the ITX sized component choice.
     
    But on the inside, once that pretty plastic shell has been removed, erm, it's rather tighter than I'd like.
     
    Regardless, on paper there's enough room for the parts and I'm sure that if I imagine it hard enough, it must come true!
    Time to break out the Dremel.
    Onwards!
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    ShadowChaser got a reaction from Mechex in The Real Dell Optiplex 790 SFF Sleeper Build   
    Looking like a really solid project! Definitely will be following this closely  
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    ShadowChaser got a reaction from Fatih19 in Budget Ryzen Sleeper Build... in an Xbox 360!   
    Fusion 360, which is free for personal use! It's very handy especially bc I learned AutoCAD in school and Fusion lets you export gcode directly if you set it up. I still export the STL into Cura or Repetier Host to be sliced though.
     
    Thanks
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    ShadowChaser got a reaction from Ben17 in Budget Ryzen Sleeper Build... in an Xbox 360!   
    I think I've looked at a few of them - I'll explain why I chose the GPU I chose in an upcoming post. Maybe you or someone else could tell me why it's a bad choice then XD
    I see you're part of the Xbox PC gang as well, cheers to that!
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    ShadowChaser got a reaction from NotABigGamer in Budget Ryzen Sleeper Build... in an Xbox 360!   
    I've always been an SFF and 'bang-for-buck' enthusiast, and now that I have more down time than usual, I thought I'd build a PC that would scratch both itches. Money is tight, at least in terms of what I can spend, and of course SFF only makes that problem worse. Either way, I want to make a decent sleeper build that's small enough to just tuck into a bag and travel with. I've been thinking about this project for a long time, and I'm finally committed to making it happen. So, without further ado, here's the list of parts I'm planning on using:
     
    PCPartPicker Part List: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jC7kmg
    CPU: Ryzen 5 1600AF ($85.00)
    CPU Cooler: Reeven Vanxie 24.82 CFM CPU Cooler  ($19.99) 
    Motherboard: MSI B450I GAMING PLUS AC Mini ITX AM4 Motherboard  ($119.99) 
    Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory  ($79.99 @ Newegg) 
    Storage: Sabrent Rocket 512 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  ($49.99) 
    Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 1650 SUPER 4 GB AERO ITX OC Video Card 
    PSU: HDPLEX 200W DC-ATX ($62.50)
    Total: $417.46
     
    The parts in italics are ones that I still am deciding on, and the others I either already have or have already purchased. In light of the upcoming 3rd Gen Ryzen 3 processors I will likely wait on the CPU purchase until those are available. You may have noticed the PSU choice, and that's because of the sleeper part of this build.
     
    It will be built in this:

     
    Now, now, I know that Xbox PCs are commonplace, but while this isn't my first USFF build, it will be the first one in which I'll have to mod my case. I think it'll be a fun and interesting experience, at least I certainly hope so. I was inspired by the Dreamcast Sleeper Build done by @Ross Siggers but I'm definitely not going to attempt something as ludicrous as that, so the Xbox 360 E was my first choice, given that it's the only console I own and rather out of date. It also only works half the time so it's about time to retire the poor thing.
     
    At 4.4L externally it's already the smallest of the 360 lineup, and at just over 3.3L on the inside I really wish Microsoft had been wiser with their use of the space inside.
    Here you can see visually that, from the outside, there appears to be plenty of room with the ITX sized component choice.
     
    But on the inside, once that pretty plastic shell has been removed, erm, it's rather tighter than I'd like.
     
    Regardless, on paper there's enough room for the parts and I'm sure that if I imagine it hard enough, it must come true!
    Time to break out the Dremel.
    Onwards!
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    ShadowChaser got a reaction from Fatih19 in Budget Ryzen Sleeper Build... in an Xbox 360!   
    Let the modding commence! 
     
    Let me tell you, this console wasn't easy to take apart the first time I did it 3 years ago and it's not gotten much better. I'm going to have to come up with a way of making it more friendly to service in the future.
     
    First thing to go is the corner where the old wireless module resided. This corner is really just a waste of space and removing it is a must. While I'm over there I'll also be removing the metal flanges overhanging the rear I/O just in case they interfere (which I think they would) plus they are surprisingly sharp. Definitely won't miss em!

     
    Flanges removed:
     
    Followed by the corner bracket:
     
    That'll help with component placement for sure! The motherboard should fit snugly against the old rear i/o with the offending metal pieces out of the way.
    Next thing on the itinerary is to enlarge the side vents. Since I intend to use them to cool the CPU airflow will be important. For the GPU it is less so as in the current configuration I can always have it draw air through the old top exhaust, like so:
     
    Modding the side vent for the exhaust was surprisingly difficult.
     
    The cuts for the exhaust are now done:

    Next thing to do is to file and sand down the corners, then figure out how to buff away the machining marks.
    Once that's done, I can start designing the fan bracket for this side.
    Kudos to Microsoft for sourcing plastic that's more difficult to cut than the steel chassis inside
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    ShadowChaser got a reaction from Fatih19 in Budget Ryzen Sleeper Build... in an Xbox 360!   
    I've always been an SFF and 'bang-for-buck' enthusiast, and now that I have more down time than usual, I thought I'd build a PC that would scratch both itches. Money is tight, at least in terms of what I can spend, and of course SFF only makes that problem worse. Either way, I want to make a decent sleeper build that's small enough to just tuck into a bag and travel with. I've been thinking about this project for a long time, and I'm finally committed to making it happen. So, without further ado, here's the list of parts I'm planning on using:
     
    PCPartPicker Part List: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jC7kmg
    CPU: Ryzen 5 1600AF ($85.00)
    CPU Cooler: Reeven Vanxie 24.82 CFM CPU Cooler  ($19.99) 
    Motherboard: MSI B450I GAMING PLUS AC Mini ITX AM4 Motherboard  ($119.99) 
    Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory  ($79.99 @ Newegg) 
    Storage: Sabrent Rocket 512 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  ($49.99) 
    Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 1650 SUPER 4 GB AERO ITX OC Video Card 
    PSU: HDPLEX 200W DC-ATX ($62.50)
    Total: $417.46
     
    The parts in italics are ones that I still am deciding on, and the others I either already have or have already purchased. In light of the upcoming 3rd Gen Ryzen 3 processors I will likely wait on the CPU purchase until those are available. You may have noticed the PSU choice, and that's because of the sleeper part of this build.
     
    It will be built in this:

     
    Now, now, I know that Xbox PCs are commonplace, but while this isn't my first USFF build, it will be the first one in which I'll have to mod my case. I think it'll be a fun and interesting experience, at least I certainly hope so. I was inspired by the Dreamcast Sleeper Build done by @Ross Siggers but I'm definitely not going to attempt something as ludicrous as that, so the Xbox 360 E was my first choice, given that it's the only console I own and rather out of date. It also only works half the time so it's about time to retire the poor thing.
     
    At 4.4L externally it's already the smallest of the 360 lineup, and at just over 3.3L on the inside I really wish Microsoft had been wiser with their use of the space inside.
    Here you can see visually that, from the outside, there appears to be plenty of room with the ITX sized component choice.
     
    But on the inside, once that pretty plastic shell has been removed, erm, it's rather tighter than I'd like.
     
    Regardless, on paper there's enough room for the parts and I'm sure that if I imagine it hard enough, it must come true!
    Time to break out the Dremel.
    Onwards!
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