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No it doesn't work that way.  nV gives certain rights for use of IP based on what ever is agreed upon.
 
AIB's can use that IP to make products, but those products must fall in the guidelines provided by what nV and the AIB have concluded as fair.  The products solely based on what the AIB did and purchased can be looked as theirs, but the actual product as a whole, IP, is still owned by nV. 
 
The argument of who owns what is what is in question.  AIB's are given the right to make and sell products based on the IP that is owned by nV.  If nV doesn't like what they see their IP is being used for, they can shut down the AIB from making future products.  On going products, only if there is a breach of contract.  Now if nV forces that, they need to have pretty significant proof. 
 
Simple.  If something goes wrong with the GPU, the AIB's aren't the ones that have to fix that right?  AIB's might take the card back, but if the GPU is bad, then nV has put up the cost for it.  If its a reference board, nV has to fix that too, since its their reference.  If its a custom board by the AIB, AIB's must fix that if its out of spec of the original IP.   But if its in spec with the original IP of the board, the cost is split. 
 
AIB's buy GPU's not outright by themselves, they buy GPU's based on certain things that are licensed to them.
 
Look at panda miner, the one and few companies that buy GPU's from AMD outright to make custom components for use for mining.  Look at the quality difference of those products.  They absolutely SUCK without AMD's IP to back them up, they are literally up shits creek.

Lol all this ridiculous talk
 
Nvidia products period
 
Tsmc is nvidia primary chip manufacturer that also use supposedly use Samsung for some things
Just like all these aibs are manufacturers for the final product for nvidia
 
Just like Intel has final say in their products like removing overclocking on certain chipsets or locked cpus
We all know apple doesn't make many of their products but they have final say
And all
And believe nvidia and apple use foxconn 
Why doesn't foxconn own those products? Oh wait they are nvidia and apples because they paid for pay for the manufacturing lol
 Aib are slightly different because they get to put their own twist on out but still doesn't make it a nvidia product
Hence why xfx doesn't make nvidia cards anymore and palit didn't make amd anymore
 
People should learn why we have aibs in the first place
History lesson?

Yes it does make it thiers too, see you can't make a motherboard or graphics card without the IP of Intel, AMD, or nV.  these companies are in the business of selling other's products with other's IP.  They need to get the rights to make those products from nV, AMD, Intel, to make products.  Ownership of those rights gives the company of that IP.
 
So whom ever owns the IP in the court of law, owns those products too lol.  An AIB can make a different cooler or different broad layout, but that doesn't mean they have any ownership of the actual product being sold.  They have the right to sell those products though because it was granted by the actual owner of the products.  They have ownership of the Cooler, but not the board either, because the board is also part of the IP given by the respective company.
 
Its like this lets say I build a game on Cry Engine, I need to "license" Cry Engine, Getting that license gives me the ability to sell a product built on cry engine,  If Crytek wants to change their licensing terms from their current EULA for free use, to paid use I'm screwed, I can't sell my product.  Sorry they can do that if they want to.
 
If I paid for Cry Engine and they do that that won't work, by the terms and agreements of payment with Cry Engine they must let me bring my game out.
 
Now lets say I paid for Cry Engine 1, and Cry engine 2 comes out, they don't need to give me Cry Engine 2 free of charge right?  I need to pay for that.  A new contract.  Till I get that IP right to use, I can't do anything for my products.

It's a point on baseline and view  point of reviewers
But imho is we are going into silicone limits war
If amd keeps this up Intel will be forced to use emib and use every inch of their silicone like a fake breasted stripper like amd is already is doing

It's a point on baseline and view  point of reviewers
But imho is we are going into silicone limits war
If amd keeps this up Intel will be forced to use emib and use every inch of their silicone like a fake breasted stripper like amd is already is doing

I don't think they are that crazy, its $600 for the labor which keep in mind its a custom loop sounds reasonable to me.

they are licensed manufacturers and distributors hence gtx geforce rx radeon name on all cards
they are not consumers either
 
 

AMD kind of looks petty when they go to that length of playing the victim, rather spending on cheesy attack ads and campaigning "freedom" instead of competing when they'd rather rake in profits from cryptominers than make cards available to their core gaming consumers. But I could understand as they're a ship with a hole in it after cryptocoin value has dropped, Raja got fed up and left and now their marketing director left too.
This went back & forth in here and other threads over and over, however when Nvidia has over 70% of the market and pays the AIB's to R&D and advertise their sub-brands, they're essentially giving AMD free branding with the popular known names like Strix, Aorus, or Gaming X. How do we know AMD isn't paying hardOCP to spread things to benefit their Radeon brand when they aren't investing in much besides create attacks and refresh GCN chips? I'm waiting to see how all this pans out too.

Like just what happened
 
But we will never see those old contracts what If they had small clauses with branding solely for geforce/radeon products?

Imho
This shit needed to happen long ago
Along with motherboards and this copy and paste design shit across gens/chipsets 

still dont know how this is still going
 
aib/aic(nvidia calls them aic on their website) like evga/asus/gb/msi are nvidia product manufacturers not consumers, its in nvidias right to protect their end product labeling/marketing/etc
if nvidia or the aib/aic wants out they finish their contract and not renew
 
eveyone acts like all aibs should have the right to manufacture products for any company
 
if nvidia doesnt want to supply them then thats their business, you cant force companies to use certain manufacturers
 
 

You don't see where MJ took his brand back from Nike as the same thing as nV trying to take control over their brand and asking their partners to create separate lines for their competitor's brands?  Nike and MJ built the Air Jordan brand.  AIB's never built the Geforce or Radeon brand.   That was all done by the respective companies by themselves.  Was it because of Asus ROG or MSI gaming X or Gigabyte Aurous that propelled Geforce to have 70% of the market?  No that was all nV's doing, their hard work and engineering efforts that created their brand.  So if AIB's want to keep selling nV products, nV stated split the lines up or else you lose.  Is it wrong for them to ask that or in this case force them?  Hell no there is nothing wrong with that.  Its nV's product that gives those AIB's the ability to sell and make money.  70% of graphics cards being sold as ROG is because of nV's brand, not because of the ROG brand.  So AIB's are making 70% of their money from graphics card sales because of Geforce.
 
If I was nV you know what I would have told those AIB's?  Drop your brand altogether for nV cards, No ROG, no Asus just Geforce.  Let nV's brand be your brand lol.  It will be fully transparent to anyone buying video cards that Geforce is what matters.  The AIB's brand means nothing at this point.  But that would seriously damage Asus and others, because anything that was with ROG branding before, will be looked at differently at that point.  Why aren't the best video cards in the same lineup as the other gaming components.  Is there something wrong with those other components? How do you think that would affect AMD graphics card sales in the long run? As nV's Geforce will be sitting all alone.  It would totally screw with them in the long run because now Geforce is what people have in their head, and that is all they see as it gets entrenched.  Screw everything else, there will be no confusion.

they must be offered enough/bought out to join
they could also become amd only we have many of those already xfx use to make nvidia
business partnerships and contracts are none of our business, because evga has some perks asus doesnt or vice versa
do we get to see why all the hbm2 memory went?
or why apple gets to buy  up all whatever for what price?

exactly
would you want your products named similar to your competition?
 
and like I have said numerous times also, this copy and paste design shit is just as bad

It's all in how you choose to look at things. I may be wrong, but it honestly could be looked at as Nvidia determining how their product is handled. In NVidia's eyes they don't want their product to be branded the same as AMD's.
 
At no point (from what I have seen so far admittedly) has NVidia said "we don't want our competition's product to be handled in "X" manner. They have just said they don't want the same branding that is being used for their competition, being used for their product.

If it was only the engine that made that car do what it can do, yeah. But they can put a MB engine in there and it will do the same, like Mclaren Senna has a MB engine lol.  They can pick and choose a porsche engine if they want to, its still going to do what it did with the BMW engine. 
 
Graphics card AIB's don't have that luxury, They can't make an AMD card do what nV cards can do.

This isn't so bad, saves me the time of reading a product name past the first 2-3 words to find what I'm looking for. Especially seeing as AMD tried screwing with Intel's chipset naming and making that mess all confusing. 
 
Seems like newegg already had a filter option for stuff like that... Chipset manufacturer... but for other sites like Amazon this will save me time. 
 
Asus Arez... next
Asus ROG... *Click*

lol those are all in nvidia's rights of THEIR product
and many of the names have only been around less 4 yrs
can I name your products under  your competitors name too lol
many business agreements have confidentially clauses lol where have you been
asus, evga, msi, etc all prolly going to get different agreements which you need confidentially clauses
 

Sounds like someone is trying to lift themselves up after trying to throw someone else under the bus.

Already posted this in another thread
 
 
 
This is what is going to happen
 
The FTC and EU will now look into it because of people complaining and waste tax payer's money and then they won't do anything because there is nothing to do lol.  So for the next 3 to 5 years just our money down the toilet.
 
The problem that Kyle doesn't seem to understand, he keeps saying its like what Intel did with AMD, its not what Intel did with AMD, nothing like it at all.  In the GPP, the GPP is straight forward, if you are part of GPP, you get these things, if not, you don't get them at all.  nV is saying it point blank, they don't want to spend their money unless they get benefits from spending that money.
 
Intel didn't do that, they turned around and stopped selling chips and stopped or lowered kickbacks, or increased kick backs based on the % of AMD chips being sold or bought lol.
 
Very different scenarios. 

I only care about performance. I dont give a damn what brand it is. Apple is fucking their customers all the time and still get praised as saints.

exactly
its like the saying keep your friends close and your enemies closer
intel needs amd, people will blame intel for stagnating but fact remains intel dont want that
if intel came out with 8 core mainstream 3 yrs ago amd would not really be around and intel would be forced into pricing their products which would cut their profits
 

agree with this
 
3% faster adds up fast 3% sooner on another job also
time is money either way

I have read through all 10 pages and I've no idea what I've read. You people are persistent, I'll give you that.