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Me: "What I'm saying is that they're better than you think, to be completely honest it doesn't sound like you have much experience with using them in games at all."
 
I'm not trying to attack you (if that's considered attacking at all). It's a relevant point since you act like you know these games when you're just quoting what other people say and ignoring posts that disagree with you. I'm not trying to attack you (if that's considered attacking at all).
 
You still haven't proven that the sounds so muddy. You back it up by saying that other people agree with you even though there are people that disagree as well. If that isn't cherry picking, what is?
 
"Soundstage is above average.  The UE Triple.Fi 10 is the only IEM I own with a larger soundstage.  However the TF10 makes you feel about 15 rows deep at a concert and the W4 seems to bring you closer, maybe to within 5 rows."
 
"Other attributes that bear mentioning, soundstage on the Westone 4 is very good. "
 
"Soundstage
Feels like the band is just infront of me!"
 
http://www.head-fi.org/products/westone-4-true-fit-earphones
 
Those were just the first three in chronological order, sorted from most helpful first. From my experience I didn't find sounds to not be directional other than when they're an echo, which is understandable since echos change where the sound is perceived to be coming from...
 
If you want to prove that the sounds are muddy, Youtube videos are a biased way of doing so. At LEAST present less lossy audio samples rather than a link to some poorly recorded Youtube video.
 
We agree on some things, not all. We can leave it at that.

So you're saying that if someone told you "HA! Nice haircut.", it's stupid to argue against that? Just because you didn't explicitly say something doesn't mean that there isn't an implied message.
 
I hate to ask since it'll probably just make the argument last longer, but when did I "change what I said"? You have clearly been changing the quoted text, which is something that should probably be fixed soon...
 
And finally, I never said that you were talking about all IEMs, and I understand that you aren't. We've both misinterpreted each other's posts at one point or another, it's silly to point out that I did when you have just as many times.

I'm not denying that, I'm arguing that you shouldn't accuse others of things you're guilty of yourself. And yes, you actually did say that  only in some instances are they actually good, albeit in different wording.
 
I don't "seem to think that IEMs are better", I'm arguing that they're better than you seem to think. From the way you describe them, you make them sound like very poor performers except on a few select occasions, which simply isn't true. You're trying to prove me wrong on an argument that I'm not even making.
 
What makes you think that soundstage is so important? For (at least) the third time, it doesn't even make much of a difference in FPS games like Battlefield 3, and that's coming from a player with 700 hours+ of game time. You on the other hand are simply saying that if headphones have a narrow soundstage they're automatically exempt from the title of "gaming" headphones, even though it doesn't make nearly as much of a difference as you think.
 
I didn't say that frequency response accuracy is important, I said that sound quality is to the point of being able to hear and distinguish sounds like footsteps (from other noises and whatnot). I don't know why you keep pointing out that comfort is subjective either when sound quality is as well.
 
I said that they seem to because it's one less component that you'll need to reach adequate sound levels for gaming.
 
And by the way, there are people on both sides of the fence that say "IEMs sound better/worse than over ear headphones" in those threads that were linked, which is contrary to what you're saying. At the end of the day it's really up to the listener, why not take your own advice and not talk about subjective factors like sound quality and soundstage?
 
I'm referring to sound quality as in what makes people choose one headphone over another because of how it sounds. In that case it is subjective (a subject's personal perspective, feelings, beliefs, desires or discovery, as opposed to those made from an independent, objective, point of view).
 
There is no such thing as something sounding "better" without there being an opinion (which is what is meant by "quality" in this case) unless you're referring to how well it reproduces an audio sample or that sort of thingand if there's an opinion, that makes it subjective. What you're referring to is how well the audio sample is reproduced, which would be objective, but I'm not talking about that. This is why a headphone may seem to have better sound quality than another because it sounds more punchy rather than realistic.
 
I didn't play in noisy servers, actually. You do realize that you linked a Youtube video that's in a very lossy format, right? Not to mention that the way the person recorded the footage often drastically affects not only the sound but also the visual outcome.
 
I agree that over ear headphones are probably more often optimal for gaming, but the way that you said it made it sound like good gaming IEMs are a slim choosing, which is what I disagree with. To make it clear, I wasn't arguing that IEMs are generally better for gaming, just that they are more than you seem to think. (As a side note, if I were to make a decent gaming setup from scratch, headphones wouldn't be my priority, but rather other hardware like the mouse, monitor and GPU.)
 
I would welcome an argument that omnidirectional microphones are better, because they can be, it's just that the majority of the time they aren't.

Where are you getting these numbers? it's a forum, of course there are going to be people on either side of the fence. 9/10 is a huge exaggeration. Also, I'm not offended, if that's what it sounds like.
 
I don't see how my argument is weak. I never said that IEMs perform better on average in gaming scenarios, but I know that they can. Not only that, your argument is rather weak by basically saying that "soundstage is everything" and not considering comfort (look at gaming mice), value, etc. which obviously play a prominent role in determining which is better for gaming.
 
And how are "performance and value" different subjects? We're talking about which is better for gaming, you neglect the fact that they're of importance as well. We don't even know what games the end user would be playing, directional sound can oftentimes be useless in many games. I've tried gaming with budget IEMs with a rather poor soundstage in Battlefield 3 and it hasn't affected my scores negatively (if any game would benefit from good soundstage it would be that).

They may seem to have a worse soundstage only because he's tried many more "full sized cans" than IEMs, and even if IEMs had a poor soundstage on average, that still doesn't make them the better gaming headphone. You fail to even mention other important factors such as comfort or (for some people) bass, depending on the game. At the price point these will be likely entering at, money is better spent on sound quality anyway where it wouldn't be spend to as large of a degree if it was an over ear headphone.

They can outperform over ear headphones by quite a substantial amount, look at the Westone ES5's or 4/4R's for example. From my experience their performance/dollar ratio is superior to that of over ear headphones, actually.

"The soundstage isn't that great (about the ES5)
However, if you really want soundstage, you will probably need full size headphones. (about the Westone 4)
that soundstage would never match an open hp, but if I could get slightly more, I would be happy (about the se530, which according to the thread are fairly similar to the W4)"
 
That isn't cherry picking? If you're going to accuse me of doing it, you should read your own posts first. Also, I never said that you explicitly said they are bad for gaming, but the way that you're describing them is unfavorable and that "only in some instances are they actually good".
 
You practically did. We're arguing about how good IEMs vs over ear headphones are for gaming and you won't even talk about any other factors than soundstage.
 
Quote: "Also, you keep bringing up completely different subjects such as "performance" or "value" and so on, while I've been talking about soundstage. Please try to stick to one thing and don't be all over the place when having a discussion."
 
That thread also says that on ear headphones are a worse value because many "good" ones require an amp to show their full potential. I also never said that because they don't benefit from an amp, they're a good value ("Do you even read my post or do you just read 1/3 of them?")... it's the fact that it's one less component that needs to be purchased or used if you're buying IEMs.
 
I know what subjective means... sound quality is also subjective and yet you don't seem to be against talking about that. There is often a general consensus as to whether a product is ugly, comfortable, has better sound quality, etc. (subjective measurements), so it's at least worth noting.
 
"Please try to keep your arguments objective"? Whether one headphone sounds better than another is subjective, if anyone doesn't know what the meaning of subjectivity is it's you.
 
For some reason I thought you said sound quality is not important for gaming.
 
I never said that "being able to distinguish footsteps from other noises does not equal good sound quality", but it is indicative of it. 
 
I'm not arguing that sound quality is more important than soundstage or anything like that anyway, it really depends on what they'll be used for. The point is that you're overemphasizing soundstage as being the ultimate determining factor for whether headphones are suitable for gaming or not, and won't even consider things like value (These are probably going to be targeted at budget-oriented consumers... If you're only going to be paying <$100 which most gamers wouldn't be very willing to exceed, it's actually quite important).
 
I never said that you said "IEMs are bad for gaming" either, but the way you describe them makes them seem undesirable. It's like if you said "luxury cars generally aren't a good purchase", sure you aren't saying that all luxury cars shouldn't be purchased but you're saying that they mostly aren't, save for a few. What I'm saying is that they're better than you think, to be completely honest it doesn't sound like you have much experience with using them in games at all.
 
How was I cherry picking? Battlefield 3 is a fairly good sounding game in some aspects that would benefit from a decent soundstage. It's not like I'm choosing some random game and saying that they work fine, hundreds of thousands of people still play this game actively.
 
We already do, what we don't agree on is that IEMs are better for gaming than you think.

Did anyone else think this was yet another advertising bot after reading the title?

Quality over quantity. There shouldn't be a race

Even a 3930K will be a drastic improvement if you're rendering, so expect even more from the 4930K.

Exactly, not to mention that the Xbox One will probably have worse specs (not that the PS4 will have good ones but it's worth considering)

This is apparently the best.
 
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PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks   CPU:  AMD A8-5500 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($93.70 @ SuperBiiz)  Motherboard:  MSI FM2-A55M-E33 Micro ATX  FM2 Motherboard  ($48.98 @ Outlet PC)  Memory:  Kingston Blu 4GB (1 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory  ($29.70 @ Newegg)  Storage:  Toshiba  500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($49.99 @ Newegg)  Case:  Fractal Design Core 1000 MicroATX Mini Tower Case  ($39.99 @ NCIX US)  Power Supply:  SeaSonic 300W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply  ($39.98 @ Outlet PC)  Total: $302.34  
There, if you can spare the extra £2, you can have far greater performance with an A8.
If you can't spare the extra £2, ill save you $15.
 
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks   CPU:  AMD A6-5400K 3.6GHz Dual-Core Processor  ($64.99 @ NCIX US)  Motherboard:  MSI FM2-A55M-E33 Micro ATX  FM2 Motherboard  ($48.98 @ Outlet PC)  Memory:  Kingston Blu 4GB (1 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory  ($29.70 @ Newegg)  Storage:  Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($59.99 @ NCIX US)  Case:  Fractal Design Core 1000 MicroATX Mini Tower Case  ($39.99 @ NCIX US)  Power Supply:  SeaSonic 300W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply  ($39.98 @ Outlet PC)  Total: $283.63

For memory, that was pretty much the cheapest. I prefer only Corsair and Kingston for memory.

Hello Techies,
Heres a $300 gaming build made by me for very light gaming: http://pcpartpicker.com/user/codaassasin/saved/1wxf
 
When it comes to budget gaming, AMD's APUs is well above Intel.
 
- Henry
 
Update :
 
- AMD A4-5300 to AMD A6-5400k
- Corsair CX430 430W to Seasonic SS-300ET 300W power supply
- Cooler Master HAF 912 to NZXT Source 210

After going through all of there sound fonts I found one that was pretty close.
Its doesn't sound exactly the same but I guess its as close as I can get. Thanks

So I have some MIDI files that I wanted to convert to MP3. Normally I use a program called Freecorder (This program captures any audio played through the speakers)
to convert MIDI files to MP3 but with a few of my files have spots of silence in them and it keeps creating a bunch of individual files for each file every time there is even a microsecond of silence. I've tried to edit them together but it never sounds right since I don't know the amount of silence it doesn't record.  
 
So basically what I want help with is, if anyone knows a good way to convert MIDI files to MP3?

AAHHHHH quick kill it with fire

Looks like it would spaz out if you touched it

Tearing generally occurs when an LCD monitor receives a signal that exceeds its refresh rate. In theory, a 120Hz monitor won't have this issue as much as a 60Hz monitor would (at least with current hardware), and this seems to be the case, at least for me.
 
I highly recommend choosing a 120Hz+ panel if you don't mind having worse colors and want to maximize your gaming experience (in terms of your score). The difference is very noticeable, it's a must-have for any extremely competitive player, but I don't recommend using it for all purposes.

Nice build, and that's one impressive camera

You'll probably be interested in the 802.11ac solutions such as these: 
Router: http://ncix.com/products/?sku=74214&vpn=RT-AC66U&manufacture=ASUS&promoid=1280
 
PCI-E Adapter: http://ncix.com/products/?sku=77959&vpn=PCE-AC66&manufacture=ASUS
 
With the recent flagship phones such as the ASUS Padfone Infinity and the HTC One providing 802.11ac support, it's likely that we'll see an abundance of 802.11ac devices in the near future.

The Bitfenix Prodigy is probably the best choice of all of them. Tons of colors, mesh panel options and even a windowed side panel is available. Lots of radiator support for its size, as well.

ASUS Rampage IV Formula.