deathjester

Have a nice life Faa. Messaged the moderator and told him to ban me. Keep on astroturfing bud. I lost faith in this forum when you attacked someone who was a new user and posted his overclock on an AMD CPU, and told him his new computer he just built was crap. That is who LTT allows on this site. Funny thing? I usually recommend the I5... Anyways people like you who are literally criminals have to live with yourselves. Have fun with benchmarks that go against what honest sites like Sweclockers showed. You know. Like the Evolve benchmark from the Russian site where an I3>4770k. Pointless to argue with criminals, and pointless to argue benchmarks which are an absolute joke. This shows just how bad the tech review industry and forums have gotten. Benchmarks can now be bought and paid for. People like you who harass new users and make them feel bad about their new computer are allowed to be on a site. I am ASHAMED to have ever been on this forum and even more ashamed that I helped people here, instead of a better moderated site, and often recommended it, and to be honest I should have left after Slick bench marked Far Cry 4 and failed to use an AMD driver which came out before release. Stay classy Faa and LTT. I do not have the time to argue BS 24/7 or even part time. My job is not to promote a company illegally...

You should be laughing. We have "company insiders with connections" whom don't know the difference between CPU bound/GPU bound showing up on this thread on a new account to defend a company, and being upvoted.... Most hilarious thing I have ever seen. Funny thing is people think I am upset? I am rolling on the floor at this thread. Company lied, company issued spec statements that were false on ROPs/Cache. Lawsuit will be successful. Pretty much it, cept we have people thinking they can get lawyers to turn down free money by swaying opinion of something that is no longer in their hands (and it is usually the same people in every thread defending these companies). It is in the hands of the lawyers now and they are seeing a new boat, BMW and they are not reading Linus Tech Tips. If you are a shareholder and worried about this, you should be contacting the lawyers. Please record the phone call for comedy.

You must be exhausted from uttering the same old insults when empirical proof is offered of what you call "theories". Probably have a sore finger from upvoting the exact same people in every thread, just like they upvote you as well. Sucker is born every minute though, maybe you can convince them there is no such thing as astroturfers, when tech companies engage in this often and are caught. Good luck with that. I guess when you can't argue court documents, numerous occasions of forum manipulation and HARASSMENT of people just trying to use a forum? You result to insults. Fortunately I think the average LTT reader can see that this is a problem, that companies like Microsoft engage in this and can see a "new "poster" whom claims to be a insider and who supports a company to the death out of the blue as what he is... But yup. Upvote the criminal. Harass the person calling it out. Too funny. He should be working at Mcdonald's btw. Not very good at his job.

^ 9 total posts on this forum. EVER. Most of it coming to the aid of Nvidia on this thread. Claims to have "insider privileged information" and talks down to people attempting to sway opinion with garbage. I am sure he just showed up on this thread and forum randomly though. Also "astroturfing" is not a "consipracy", it is criminal activity that is practiced by big companies like Microsoft. Examples of astroturfing with Microsoft. http://www.pcworld.com/article/2365060/microsoft-caught-astroturfing-bloggers-again-to-promote-internet-explorer.html http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/anonymous-comments-on-lumia-800-review-traced-back-to-nokia-and-microsoft-ip-addresses/17402 http://www.forbes.com/sites/davidthier/2014/01/20/is-microsoft-paying-youtubers-to-promote-xbox-one/ http://articles.latimes.com/2001/aug/23/news/mn-37472 http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=20010823&slug=microlob23 http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/AstroTurfing Comes Vs Microsoft Court Documents PDF file. Page 55 is a blast. http://antitrust.slated.org/www.iowaconsumercase.org/011607/3000/PX03096.pdf It is not speculation. People with GTX 770's did it with Watch Dogs. Performance increased drastically. That is called empirical proof and not "speculation". People here can turn down tessellation in catalyst or Nvidia Control Panel and see stuttering go away in a game like Watch Dogs on a card like a GTX 770. Apex cloth does not kill a R9 290 on performance. Neither does HBAO +. In fact my Tri-x beat out a friends 780ti and my sisters 970 in Far Cry 4 with tree tessellation off. "PC not only has some overhead in directX but it also realies on some very heavy effects ". Consoles are also running a 1.6 and 1.7ghz mobile CPU with 6 cores available to the SDK (which puts them at under a 6300FX at that clock), 2 reserved to the OS, and the PS4 has the wrong, high latency ram for CPU. Spare me with the overhead. The game developers said the CPU power in the PS4 was almost the same as the PS3 (which is pathetic). Low level API's (Pc's) will help but we will see drastic swings on top end CPU's on PC exclusives and not console ports. They WILL help budget CPU's. CPU bound is also not GPU bound and our CPU's already have higher low FPS than the consoles in these games so the point you are making is laughable. As far as "effects", again HBAO is not a 4x performance hit. If you take HBAO off you are not coming close to 4x the resolution on a Game Works game. View distance can come into the equation, but again. I am comparing games with = settings there. We are not comparing draw distance in say Guild Wars 2 which these consoles couldn't run anyways, even with their low level API. I would love to see them try though. Would be an awesome slide show. Would prob run 15 FPS on the XB1 due to having better ram for CPU and 10 on the PS4. BTW the reason it fixed stuttering in Watchdog's especially while driving is all the tessellation done which was not needed or done on the consoles. Sorry Nvidia. No one believes you. We can turn this crap off ourselves and in a game like Far Cry 4 the bump mapping on trees looks better than the tessellation on trees. At least in that game Ubisoft gave us the option to turn the crap off. Didn't stop websites from benchmarking the game with the setting on though, even though it was added the day of release and gave a worse picture than with the option off. Also did not stop some sites from refusing to use AMD beta drivers to benchmark that came out the day before release. Linus Tech Tips would be one of those sites. They benchmarked without the new driver and were called out by many on this forum for it who were not seeing near their benchmark numbers.

BS. Anyone can take tessellation on or off on these Nvidia Game Works closed library titles and see that it IS what the problem is. It is also the same reason the garbage 750TI does exceedingly well in these games, despite being laughable as far as how powerful a card it is. It is a Maxwell card for a Maxwell optimized over tessellated game that Nvidia paid to make it that way. Btw Evolve is an NVIDIA TITLE, they just did not sabotage the damn game with tessellation. Per Sweclockers since sites like LTT and Tom's Hardware refuse to benchmark this game (guarantee we have a Witcher 3 benchmark in the first week though). That is how far apart a GTX 770 and 290 are and what kind of shenanigans and BS you have to do to get them close. Fact. Nvidia lied on press releases about ROPs/Cache. You call it "miscommunication". Fact. Nvidia also lied about bandwidth/Ram count. Fact. Nvidia pays to STEAL PERFORMANCE from people in anti competitive practices which should also see their ass in court. WTF has Nvidia done that is so great for the industry? Closed libraries and paying devs not to optimize a game for a competitor? 3D vision? Garbage. Their initial tech? 3DFX intellectual property they acquired. They were GARBAGE before then. Gsync. Existing technology on laptops they tried to corner the market on. Physx? They bought that and some of the best "Nvidia games" with physics I played used Havok like Shadows of Mordor. I can think of one game where Physx was nice. Planetside 2 and they removed that. Batman could have easily been done with the CPU, it was a paid for "exclusive". HBAO +? Their version of HDAO. Hairworks? Works horribly as far as performance hit on ANYTHING. There is a reason Nvidia has to PAY developers to use this crap. HBAO + is about the only thing there worth a damn, and when you see TXAA as a feature? You know the game is going to be optimized for @#%$ because you should not have to use budget AA like TXAA on a GTX 770 let alone a 970/980. On the latter two cards you should be using supersampling/downsampling or pushing past 1080p natively and on the former MSAA. We can't do that though, because Nvidia pays devs (who do not want to initially do it like CDPR) to tessellate the crap out of objects and often give us WORSE visuals. According to CDPR media never comments on it. I guess CDPR wears a tin foil hat. Doesn't matter cus money talks and someone at CDPR decided enough payment was given to make a GTX 770 a R9 290 in a game that has the same assets as a 7770 in TFLOPS with gimped DDR3 bandwidth in a Xbox One. Want to prove that Game Works is good? Show me a Nvidia Game works game that runs at 4xSSAA/4k when the GPU is 4 times as strong as the PS4. Tomb Raider does that. So does Sniper Elite. So does Alien Isolation Those are AMD games. All Nvidia gives us is purposely unoptimized garbage so they can sell unneeded SLI setups and a new video card series. HBAO + is not a 4x performance hit. Only tessellation on assets that do not need it, and that can look worse can do this. Tessellation was tech created for games like World of Warcraft and the old Batmans that had cartoon graphics. Not for good assets where traditional bump mapping can look better and have much less of a performance hit.

If you can't reply without an insult and arguing anything? Don't reply. There is nothing tin foil hat there. That is how the review industry now works. Also smaller sites HAVE called out Game Works and they are not sponsored by Nvidia, nor do they have advertising deals with Nvidia, nor are they invited to closed door tech previews. Again I am not calling the journalists themselves bad, I am saying they can't give an honest non biased opinion if they want to run a SUCCESSFUL review site, and that the industry is a joke. People with GTX 770's are already being forced to turn off/down tessellation in Game Works titles just to run the game without stuttering. This game should not have been stuttering on a GTX 770. It absolutely kills what is in the consoles. Tessellation was the only reason it did and it provided little visual payoff for huge overhead. I issue a challenge to LTT. Do Witcher 3 benchmarks with tessellation on/off in catalyst and Nvidia Control Panel. Do benchmarks with Nvidia DSR/AMD VSR at 1440p, 3k. Post high resolution stills and benchmarks. Will this happen? Nope. Nvidia would pull sponsorship, early access to cards. BTW? They could do the same benchmarks with Watch Dog's, AC Unity, Far Cry 4. Better yet just post high resolution stills of Tree Tessellation in Far Cry 4, which Nvidia's own "optimization guide" said screwed up shadows on the trees. CDPR originally said tessellation was an issue NOT DISCUSSED IN MEDIA (for the reasons I laid out), that it provided minimal payoff for huge overhead. They went from that to a GTX 770=R9 290 in recommendations (and I hate to break it to you but the GTX 770 will prob run it as bad as Watchdog's since it will target Maxwell's tessellation engine). Nvidia bought bad "optimization". Period. We can fix it in Catalyst, Nvidia Control Panel and get a better picture through DSR/VSR or 1440p native. Period. http://www.pcgameshardware.de/The-Witcher-3-PC-237266/Specials/The-Witcher-3-welche-Grafikkarte-welche-CPU-1107469/ PCGH: Your use tessellation and GPU Compute for his landscapes and marine display? CDPR Balázs Török: Yes, we have tessellation currently for landscape and view of the water in our rendering pipeline. We have made ​​some tests in which we have applied tessellation to other objects, but that has not brought the desired result. And actually we need for our objects are not really tessellation. This only increases the overhead, so we use tessellation only for the scenery and the water and leave them with everything else away. PCGH: Yes, we have already found in some other games that tessellation for example, with the depiction of characters makes a mediocre impression and also requires a lot of power. CDPR Balázs Török: Yes, exactly. And there are actually many problems with tessellation. In is rarely spoken. Only a few publications revolve around the difficulties that arise when tessellation is transferred to meshes, but this is very problematic. So it is better to use tessellation only if it thus really gained a huge advantage or technique constitutes a clearly visible difference. Have a nice day buddy. This is like the 100th time you have used "tin foil hat" on this website when given evidence to the contrary. Nvidia is simply increasing our overhead for little to no visual payoff all to win benchmarks, cripple a competitor in what should be an unfair practices suit, and to push a new card series, which also happens to screw over older Nvidia GPU owners. Everyone loses with Game Works. It would be different if the library was not closed. Instead we have to go in and turn down tessellation ourselves and the tech journalists are on a leash so they can't even tell you WHY the game is running badly or how to fix the damn thing.

As I said someone would just take their place and the same can be said if AMD went under. Also I clearly said "Nvidia is not going under" anytime soon. They have more money than they know what to do with atm and what they are using it for is not great for PC Gaming in general. It allows idiotic comparisons like Gamespot just did with a 780ti, when that 780ti should be able to run every game shown at a 4k downsample or 4k native. Instead they ran games like Far Cry 4 and AC Unity at 1080p due to Gameworks BS. That is Nvidia hurting the PC Gaming industry for personal gain. There is no excuse for a game like Far Cry 4 not to be running at 4 x the internal or native resolution as the console versions which would look stupidly better than a proprietary blurry AA that looks like garbage. A game like Shadows of Mordor can run a LOCKED 30 FPS like the consoles at 4k on my R9 290, and the only reason it can't on the 780ti is VRAM. The 780ti core is still OUTSTANDING and better than the 970. Ac Unity should have been the same. The funny thing? Shadows of Mordor is based on the AC engine which they leased, and that is based on the Crysis engine which AMD absolutely slaughters Nvidia at in Evolve, Ryse.

You can search some of these people as far as past posts. They literally admitted to being shareholders LOL. 1) Sites like Tom's Hardware are owned by media groups. "Tom" was a real person. He sold the site a long time ago. 2) Evolve is a massive title which you would expect to see benchmarks everywhere. You don't. You also did not see Ryse benchmarks. Why? AMD killed Nvidia in performance. 3) If someone like Linus called out Game Works he would lose sponsorship money, advertising money, no longer be invited to events where he is given privileged information which he has TALKED ABOUT on his own WAN show, including a recent one. He would also not be given hardware to benchmark which hurts ad revenue, views and profits. That is just the facts. It doesn't make Linus an "evil person", it means he is limited to the criticism he can give and how honest he can be. It is the same problem that exists in the video game industry and why there is no such thing as a "non biased" tech journalist. The big companies can also blacklist "game journalism" sites if they are over critical. That means those sites fold or lose revenue if they no longer get looks at games for reviews. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubisoft Ubisoft as an example. "In the February 2008 issue of Electronic Gaming Monthly, editor-in-chief Dan "Shoe" Hsu asserted that Ubisoft had ceased to provide Ubisoft titles to EGM for coverage purposes as a result of prior critical previews and negative reviews." These companies now have the ability to kill a review site who does not review how they want to review. There is no such thing as honesty or an honest opinion in review industries anymore. If I owned a site like LTT and slammed Game Works and ran benchmarks with tessellation on/off/lowered and provided screenshots compared to downsampling etc? I would never be given early access to Nvidia GPU's again (which would kill my revenue and interest in my site), never be invited to closed door tech demos where I get a nice vacation. They could cripple my business any time they wanted.

Why, because Nvidia is god's gift to PC Gaming? PC Gaming got along fine before Nvidia, and at one time Nvidia was considered the crappy, budget option that fanboys of 3DFX LAUGHED at. PC Gaming could get along fine after, just like they did when 3DFX folded, who was the ONLY option for high end gaming. Nvidia skyrocketed forward after they inherited 3DFX tech, and that was a company that did some really stupid things with their money and also deserved it's fall. We have multiple companies who want to get involved with GPU's. I would rather have some of them involved than Nvidia who is refereed to as the "video card mafia" by people who worked on Steam OS and who does shady crap like Game Works and changing game libraries which can screw over their own past customers not on their newest card series. http://richg42.blogspot.com/2014/05/the-truth-on-opengl-driver-quality.html If Nvidia folded tomorrow, which is NOT going to happen because they are making money like crazy, I would dance on their graves. Why? Because they are one of the most anti consumer, anti competitive companies I have ever seen. Who says they would cut employees from R & D? Maybe they would cut BS buyouts of Game Works titles where they pressure or pay devs to tessellate the hell out of a game for no visual payoff to win benchmarks. Tree tessellation looks WORSE than bump mapping in Far Cry 4 and just screws up the shadows. It was added literally the last day of release and is literally a sucker setting that robs people of performance so they could win benchmarks. Maybe they would stop working on proprietary tech in R & D and instead push forward industry standards. All that would be a good thing. Also Nvidia is holding themselves back, and they are doing that because they can get money for a budget bus on a good GPU core, and then sell a good core on a good bus later to the same people. The new Maxwell's are already good. Their bus however is cheap garbage. Nvidia will just slap that GPU on a decent bus and compete with AMD's next card. Who is to say what will happen in 20 years. AMD could be gone, Intel could be gone. Nvidia could be gone. We may be running ARM CPU's with Samsung GPU's or a company may come out of nowhere (like Nvidia did) and be the new "premium video card company". Hopefully they are not as anti consumer and anti competitive... People want to act as if MS and Nvidia ARE PC Gaming. They are both new comers. Their monopolies and idiocy are both new comers. If they both left the PC Gaming industry I would not care one bit. If a trial like this gets Nvidia negative press, along with Game Works (which Nvidia thinks they can control as far as backlash with ad revenue on websites and the ability to blacklist anyone that bad mouths them). GOOD. I literally have zero respect for any "tech journalist" who refused to slam Game Works due to ad revenue, partnerships with Nvidia, being given hardware from Nvidia, taking vacations to demos for Nvidia. All they were doing was protecting their own interests and they are not looking out for the consumer. When I had a GTX 770 I said Game Works was stupid. I had to turn down Tessellation in games with it, because of Nvidia BS. If Nvidia stops their BS, I will be glad to buy another Nvidia card. ATM? I refuse to support this company. I put a GTX 970 in a mini itx I build for my sister and it looks like it will be gimped for 1440 DSR downsampling in future titles (which is why I bought the card in the first place, when I could have bought a 150 dollar R9 280 to run games at 1080p), when I already did not like the companies policies and BS. That is the last Nvidia product I will ever purchase until they change some things. To put it simply? Nvidia is way too powerful as far as the ability to control press, limit anything negative said about them. Find me Evolve benchmarks. Where are they? Why don't they exist on the big sites like Tom's Hardware? Non existing because a 290x beat a GTX 980 and the GTX 970 performed mediocre. Same reason Tom's Hardware refused to run an article on the ROPs/Cache/VRAM/Bandwidth until their readers slammed them for a week over it. Our "tech media" is a joke with no balls that only looks out for themselves. Sweclockers (whom I respect) ran benchmarks. Where are the other ones? Some false benchmark from RussianGPU that has inconsistencies like this? Who paid for this benchmark? Those results are literally impossible lol. This entire "benchmark" is a paid for fantasy and was the only "bigger site" to show Nvidia winning on the GPU front. Time to throw away my I7 and go grab a I3...Also I better grab one of those original Bulldozer chips. L O L. http://gamegpu.ru/action-/-fps-/-tps/evolve-test-gpu.html We would benefit by Nvidia being taken down a notch, just like we benefited by MS having a true challenger with the new OpenGL/Steam OS. Do you think MS would have made Win 10 free, or allowed everyone to be on the same API without competition? Yeah right. To be honest we need Steam OS/next OpenGL to be great just so MS doesn't do something shady like add a subscription fee to Windows 10... Have fun selling that refusing to give into anti consumer crap from Nvidia will "hurt the consumer" Nvidia shareholders, astroturfers or people that stand to lose personal income due to this. This thread is comedy gold. You are probably looking at about 50 percent shareholders in this thread protecting their investments, and the funny thing is some of these people admitted to owning Nvidia stock in the past and or posted jubilation at Nvidia profit calls.

That is an "opinion" based on fact and false Nvidia statements about their hardware. If you want a passionate argument on why people should not sue based on opinion? Listen to someone who does promotions for Nvidia, is sponsored by Nvidia or has advertising on their sites from Nvidia, and does not want to lose Nvidia previews on tech (which generate ad revenue), promotional deal revenue, direct ad revenue, vacations/trips/gifts to see things in closed events, free hardware to test and benchmark things. You know...damn near the entire tech journalism industry. That is why I could care less what any of these people have to say, or care to hear an "opinion" that is nothing more than someone protecting their own interests and a business partner. Now what I can also tell you is that there was communications of these "miscommunications" and these media outlets could also be sued. These media outlets would not withhold information that could vindicate them in that case. There are emails, documents with those specifications from Nvidia employees and that is why the media outlets posted the FALSE specifications on ROP's/Cache to begin with. Anyways have a nice day. I see no rational reason, why anyone would protect a company that flat out lied to it's customers about multiple specifications on a product unless they stand to lose something and I really don't feel like arguing with someone who calls facts opinion. Nvidia lied about specifications. Press and opinion mean nothing in this matter. Lawyers see a bullet proof case and a landslide of money (for them). There WILL be lawsuits. They are simply inevitable. You are asking lawyers to turn down free money and customers who rightly feel slighted to bend over. Not going to happen.

A "miscommunication" is not press releases of false specifications. Nvidia is responsible for those statements and provided specifications, and people bought products based on those statements. Just because you CLAIM to have "screwed up" doesn't mean you are not guilty of false advertising. Nvidia claimed two false specifications on the GTX 970 that are not RAM. That is in addition to any statements made where they claimed bandwidth and it being a 4 Gig card which would also be false. If Nvidia wants to blame a low level secretary, and claim stupidity on oversight they can. Doesn't matter. Being incompetent does not absolve guilt.

Smart of Gigabyte.

/thread. When you have press correct a lie on two specifications on the card that you gave to press to sell a product? You lied. You can argue ram/bandwidth all you want, but in the end that is now what the lawyers will go after. Why would they bother. Nvidia flat out lied about ROPs/cache and gave that lie to press. That is called false advertising. Book em Danno.

Probably not even that. Maybe a coupon for AC Unity Definitive Edition remake for next, next gen consoles and PC. Now with TXAA 2. Even more blur. Requires Tri SLI GTX 1080's to run at 1080p 30 FPS.

Might be as simple as what was advertised on their box. Other vendors might have been smarter. They may have posted the false ROPs/cache size that Nvidia claimed. Don't know. Never seen the G1 box. Anyone have one?