What's with the Creative Sound Blaster ZXR?

[Enstage]

In the past when Creative released the Creative Sound Blaster Z and the ZX everyone was doing reviews on them! Now when they released the ZXR no one does reviews? Explain?

[Liam-McShane]

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/soundblaster_zxr_review.html

 

3rd result in google...

 

http://www.expertreviews.co.uk/gadgets/1296526/creative-sound-blaster-zxr

 

4th, i could go on

[JAKEBAB]

because they came to there senses and realized they suck balls and they should get something from fiio or mayflower if they want real audio.

[Enstage]

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/soundblaster_zxr_review.html

 

3rd result in google...

 

http://www.expertreviews.co.uk/gadgets/1296526/creative-sound-blaster-zxr

 

4th, i could go on

I mean no one on YouTube that is reputable does them...

[CwGoh]

I mean no one on YouTube that is reputable does them...

 

Creative does not send out review samples. And people would not buy one for review since they are probably better options to spend money on.

[Theo]

because they came to there senses and realized they suck balls and they should get something from fiio or mayflower if they want real audio.

The sheep goes round and round...

[JAKEBAB]

The sheep goes round and round...

i have no idea what that means lol

[EmoRarity]

Soundcards are kind of irrelevant now a days since onboard is better then soundcards for most solutions. More so, no one really cares about audio anymore, not like they used too at least. 

[mr moose]

i have no idea what that means lol

It means he has swallowed the marketing BS from ASUS and doesn't know how to be realistic or rational and look at the facts.

[h264]

If there is enough interest I'll review one when it goes on sale. I'm warning you though, I'll measure it.

[MayflowerElectronics]

If there is enough interest I'll review one when it goes on sale. I'm warning you though, I'll measure it.

 

I think it's been measured before. Tyll did a review, and it has the same 10 ohm output impedance as every other sound card.

[mr moose]

If there is enough interest I'll review one when it goes on sale. I'm warning you though, I'll measure it.

 

no need it has stupid high 38.9 ohms.

[Theo]

It means he has swallowed the marketing BS from ASUS and doesn't know how to be realistic or rational and look at the facts.

Oh hey there you sexy looking audiophile, sorry that dont have my head stuck somewhere and i see that there are other choices than Fiio or Mayflower, and that people want different things.

Sorry man, my bad, also my bad that reviews say the contrary to what youre saying but hey, reviews that say something good about something that you dont agree with? SCREW THEM

[mr moose]

Oh hey there you sexy looking audiophile, sorry that dont have my head stuck somewhere and i see that there are other choices than Fiio or Mayflower, and that people want different things.

Sorry man, my bad, also my bad that reviews say the contrary to what youre saying but hey, reviews that say something good about something that you dont agree with? SCREW THEM

If you want to believe reviews by people who have no idea what they are talking about, then go ahead.  But here we only concern ourselves with facts.  We have nothing to gain or lose from what we recommend, Unlike reviewers who have a multitude of things to lose from a bad review, like fanboy viewership and advertising revenue etc.

 

Fact of the matter is the new creative products are just as bad as Asus, they are all irrelevant products now, on board has matched them and in some cases has overtaken them. 

[Theo]

If you want to believe reviews by people who have no idea what they are talking about, then go ahead.  But here we only concern ourselves with facts.  We have nothing to gain or lose from what we recommend, Unlike reviewers who have a multitude of things to lose from a bad review, like fanboy viewership and advertising revenue etc.

 

Fact of the matter is the new creative products are just as bad as Asus, they are all irrelevant products now, on board has matched them and in some cases has overtaken them. 

Just the fact that you said "if you want to believe reviews by people who have no idea" you kind of lost the point. Nice going telling people not to believe measurements by professional equipment, having the same conclusion in (at least) 5 well known sites ( didnt look for more ).

Burn all the infidels who look further than Fiio/Mayflower, depending on peoples wants/needs, who cares what they want, just cram those 2 down their throats and put condescending :rolleyes:   if they dont agree with you.

[mr moose]

Just the fact that you said "if you want to believe reviews by people who have no idea" you kind of lost the point. Nice going telling people not to believe measurements by professional equipment, having the same conclusion in (at least) 5 well known sites ( didnt look for more ).

Burn all the infidels who look further than Fiio/Mayflower, depending on peoples wants/needs, who cares what they want, just cram those 2 down their throats and put condescending :rolleyes:   if they dont agree with you.

you can find just as many reviews glorifying the use of rocks to deaden micro vibrations in your cables.  Whats your point?  You still are not addressing the core issue with soundcards and that is that the output impedance is too high for most headphones and they offer nothing over onboard as far as SQ goes.  That is a FACT, not something I am making up, it is a cold hard measurable fact, I don't know what BS you are reading.  You can tell me there are measurements until you are blue in the face but unlike you I believe facts and evidence not hearsay on a forum.

 

And for the record, I only recommend the fiio or o2 when it fits the op's request description, so stop making silly comments about things that haven't even occurred.

 

Read the actual scientific testing of said devices:

 

list of output impedance by device:

http://monoadc.blog64.fc2.com/blog-entry-99.html

 

Soundcard FR tests:

 

http://jimmyauw.com/2006/08/09/sound-card-comparison/

 

headphone FR measurement due to output impedance:

 

http://nwavguy.blogspot.com.au/2011/02/headphone-amp-impedance.html

[Theo]

you can find just as many reviews glorifying the use of rocks to deaden micro vibrations in your cables.  Whats your point?  You still are not addressing the core issue with soundcards and that is that the output impedance is too high for most headphones and they offer nothing over onboard as far as SQ goes.  That is a FACT, not something I am making up, it is a cold hard measurable fact, I don't know what BS you are reading.  You can tell me there are measurements until you are blue in the face but unlike you I believe facts and evidence not hearsay on a forum.

 

And for the record, I only recommend the fiio or o2 when it fits the op's request description, so stop making silly comments about things that haven't even occurred.

 

Read the actual scientific testing of said devices:

 

list of output impedance by device:

http://monoadc.blog64.fc2.com/blog-entry-99.html

 

Soundcard FR tests:

 

http://jimmyauw.com/2006/08/09/sound-card-comparison/

 

headphone FR measurement due to output impedance:

 

http://nwavguy.blogspot.com.au/2011/02/headphone-amp-impedance.html

high impedence output=/=bad audio quality ( if you have high enough impedence headphones) and as far as the better than onboard sound goes, thats okay you can have your opinion, ( as for s/c i was only taking into consideration the STX since thats the one ive read about )

You can cherry pick reviews until you turn blue but unlike you my mind isnt completely biased.

Two first reviews i saw, but hey you're probably going to say they dont count, or they are biased, or they are fake or something.

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/asus_xonar_essence_stx_soundcard_review,15.html

http://www.stereophile.com/content/asus-xonar-essence-ststx-soundcards-measurements

 

And i wasnt saying about you recommending an o2/fiio regardless of what the OP wants. It was about some people who recommend/force them so much, as if they were making profit out of it.

[JaeDee884]

high impedence output=/=bad audio quality ( if you have high enough impedence headphones) and as far as the better than onboard sound goes, thats okay you can have your opinion, ( as for s/c i was only taking into consideration the STX since thats the one ive read about )

You can cherry pick reviews until you turn blue but unlike you my mind isnt completely biased.

Two first reviews i saw, but hey you're probably going to say they dont count, or they are biased, or they are fake or something.

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/asus_xonar_essence_stx_soundcard_review,15.html

http://www.stereophile.com/content/asus-xonar-essence-ststx-soundcards-measurements

 

And i wasnt saying about you recommending an o2/fiio regardless of what the OP wants. It was about some people who recommend/force them so much, as if they were making profit out of it.

like maybe mayflower and o2?

My opinion is i never trust the review of someone who makes money off the product. 

of course mayflower logically will bash something that competes with something he sells, ergo I ignore any of his coments and reviews unless they're putting a positive light on a product thats he doesn't sell

Also don't see the point in the ZxR as its just a silly product, looks cool but silly. external is honestly more suited but if you require a in case solution, unless you need optical in,  most motherboards got you covered lol

[mr moose]

high impedence output=/=bad audio quality ( if you have high enough impedence headphones) and as far as the better than onboard sound goes, thats okay you can have your opinion, ( as for s/c i was only taking into consideration the STX since thats the one ive read about )

You can cherry pick reviews until you turn blue but unlike you my mind isnt completely biased.

Two first reviews i saw, but hey you're probably going to say they dont count, or they are biased, or they are fake or something.

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/asus_xonar_essence_stx_soundcard_review,15.html

http://www.stereophile.com/content/asus-xonar-essence-ststx-soundcards-measurements

 

And i wasnt saying about you recommending an o2/fiio regardless of what the OP wants. It was about some people who recommend/force them so much, as if they were making profit out of it.

really, neither of those reviews show anything we don't already know.  Can you show some evidence that onboard audio is worse? 

 

As my post has already pointed out, there is no difference in FR between any of the soundcards or audio solutions as they are measured directly.  The issue is output impedance which you don't seem to understand.  I have linked to evidence as to why it is important and how it effects the FR in headphones and you still keep dismissing it. 

 

If you can't get your head around how impedance works then stop posting. 

 

Check this thread out:  Post 20 has a graph, the only headphones not effected by the STX are above the line, I.E not many.

http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/69687-explain-ohm-and-why-it-matters-for-headphones/?hl=%2Bheadphone+%2Bimpedance#entry955644

[MayflowerElectronics]

like maybe mayflower and o2?

My opinion is i never trust the review of someone who makes money off the product.

of course mayflower logically will bash something that competes with something he sells, ergo I ignore any of his coments and reviews unless they're putting a positive light on a product thats he doesn't sell

Also don't see the point in the ZxR as its just a silly product, looks cool but silly. external is honestly more suited but if you require a in case solution, unless you need optical in, most motherboards got you covered lol

That's not true at all. I dislike products for important reasons based on facts. I recommend competitive products all of the time. I'm here to help not make a dollar.

[flibberdipper]

I still have an old soundcard with a daughterboard, and I love the damn thing to bits. It may have come out of an HP from 1999, but the sound quality (for how old it is) is PHENOMENAL.

[mr moose]

I still have an old soundcard with a daughterboard, and I love the damn thing to bits. It may have come out of an HP from 1999, but the sound quality (for how old it is) is PHENOMENAL.

that would be partly due to the fact that technology in the sound department has not necessarily improved in a very long time, while digital processing and class d amps have come a long way the analogue side of things has plateaued and in some cases gone backwards. Classic examples are the fact that half the headphones we are using today were designed in the 80's, nearly all commercial headphones amps designs are based on designs from the 80's with a few buffered exceptions from the 90's.  

 

EDIT: I didn't actually give an example of something that has gone backwards, so here are three examples:  Beats, skull candy and valve amps.

[JaeDee884]

That's not true at all. I dislike products for important reasons based on facts. I recommend competitive products all of the time. I'm here to help not make a dollar.

that's why I said I pay attention when its not something you stock. 

didn't say its true its just my way of avoiding possible bias. 

I'm not saying your biased just that it's definitely a possibility. 

[EmoRarity]

that's why I said I pay attention when its not something you stock. 

didn't say its true its just my way of avoiding possible bias. 

I'm not saying your biased just that it's definitely a possibility. 

Numbers aren't biased, they're numbers. They don't care if one product is better or worse. Mayflower gives out numbers, and if! he suggests you buying anything he only stocks one item that he does suggest, and even then he doesn't directly suggest his product. 

What you are doing is making assumptions, which means you are making an ass out you and me. 

[JaeDee884]

Numbers aren't biased, they're numbers. They don't care if one product is better or worse. Mayflower gives out numbers, and if! he suggests you buying anything he only stocks one item that he does suggest, and even then he doesn't directly suggest his product. 

What you are doing is making assumptions, which means you are making an ass out you and me. 

and numbers are just that numbers.

two objects can have the same numbers and still perform differently.

and actually what I'm doing is avoiding the opportunity of creating assumptions, not sure if your understanding my concept here. by cutting out those who profit from consumer products i cut out any possibility of biased based on money. not accusing him of it, I'm just making it not an issue, biased or not.