I5 4690k showing it's age?

[ShadowCaptain]

Athlon X4 860K is better ._.

 

http://www.techspot.com/review/1017-best-budget-gaming-cpu/page3.html

 

Say again? its just NOT though, is it

 

 

[App4that]

No. I ain't interested in how my cpu performs since its pretty much shit. 4.2GHz@1.32v just to get it stable enough to run those benchmarks. I'm more interested in firestrike and valley. And so far, my cpu is the only one holding back my scores.

Even a stock 4690 won't hold back a 390x. My 290 scores 11700 in Firestrike stock, overclocked a bit it hits 12400. So my Firestrike scores are 9680 and 10100 respectively. I'd would see what your GPU is doing.

[don_svetlio]

http://www.techspot.com/review/1017-best-budget-gaming-cpu/page3.html

 

Say again? its just NOT though, is it

 

 

 

 

 

 

Need I remind you about the stuttering?

[ShadowCaptain]

Need I remind you about the stuttering?

 

It isnt that bad in many games and even with drops you are getting a higher FPS than the 860k

 

Need I remind you about upgradability ;P

[don_svetlio]

It isnt that bad in many games and even with drops you are getting a higher FPS than the 860k

 

Need I remind you about upgradability ;P

Some people don't upgrade

[ShadowCaptain]

Some people don't upgrade

 

its still not a bad part, for like £70 I can get a board and G3258

[79wjd]

It isnt that bad in many games and even with drops you are getting a higher FPS than the 860k

 

Need I remind you about upgradability ;P

Stuttering is worse than lower averages. A G3258 is better in games that don't leverage more than two cores, an 860k is better in those that do. 

[ShadowCaptain]

Stuttering is worse than lower averages. A G3258 is better in games that don't leverage more than two cores, an 860k is better in those that do. 

 

Sure thing, either are fine choices

[Kinda Bottlenecked]

Even a stock 4690 won't hold back a 390x. My 290 scores 11700 in Firestrike stock, overclocked a bit it hits 12400. So my Firestrike scores are 9680 and 10100 respectively. I'd would see what your GPU is doing.

 

My 4670k is doing a damn fine job at holding it back. 

 

Stock CPU

 

4.2GHz OC 

[App4that]

My 4670k is doing a damn fine job at holding it back. 

 

Stock CPU

 

4.2GHz OC 

That's a 8% improvement in score for a 17% increase in clock speed on the CPU. Increase your GPU clock speed by 17% and see what the change is. In a benchmark, not a game. If you want the highest benchmark, get a 6700k.

[Kinda Bottlenecked]

That's a 8% improvement in score for a 17% increase in clock speed on the CPU. Increase your GPU clock speed by 17% and see what the change is. In a benchmark, not a game. If you want the highest benchmark, get a 6700k.

 

Me getting a 4670k isn't for benchmark. I'm only telling you all this is because you asked. I only simply wanted to OC the 4670k so that I can have a better experience in my mmos. And so far with the lack of OC. I ain't having a great time. 

[SteveGrabowski0]

Mine is actually, my 4670K can't OC for nuts. Having some bottlenecks in a few games. And my benchmark results are pathetic. 

 

That sucks. Original Haswell really is just buying a lottery ticket.

[App4that]

Me getting a 4670k isn't for benchmark. I'm only telling you all this is because you asked. I only simply wanted to OC the 4670k so that I can have a better experience in my mmos. And so far with the lack of OC. I ain't having a great time. 

I'm only trying to help. In a MMO you shouldn't see an impact of the 4690 at 4.2 vs say 4.5GHz. Turbo is misleading so a lot of people thing the CPU runs at 3.9GHz when  it doesn't. So you have some improvement. Sucks you can't go any higher but you're still not being held back game wise as the 4690k is a powerful CPU. I'm testing a 390 crossfired with a 290 ether today, or most likely tomorrow. If you really want to make sure to have no worries in the games you play look for the results I post. Might scale well, might not. But 290x's are cheap as chips right now.

[FellTheSky]

Okay I'm noticing that quite a few of the new titles coming out in November are having the i7 4790 as there recommend cpu. Is the i5 starting to show its age or has that always been the case? I've been putting off buying the 4790k for some time and I'm wondering if I'm kinda getting to the point where no matter how much I over clock my i5 I'd be getting a better gaming experience with the i7?

you should not trust the "recommended system requirements" They always put higher requirements than needed so people cant complain about low FPS on X system . Farcry 4 says the game wont start on a dual core, and you can see on the internet tons of pentiums running the game just fine

[Kinda Bottlenecked]

I'm only trying to help. In a MMO you shouldn't see an impact of the 4690 at 4.2 vs say 4.5GHz. Turbo is misleading so a lot of people thing the CPU runs at 3.9GHz when  it doesn't. So you have some improvement. Sucks you can't go any higher but you're still not being held back game wise as the 4690k is a powerful CPU. I'm testing a 390 crossfired with a 290 ether today, or most likely tomorrow. If you really want to make sure to have no worries in the games you play look for the results I post. Might scale well, might not. But 290x's are cheap as chips right now.

 

Neh don't worry, you don't need to test any of my games. I already roughly know the performance of those. And again I'm surprised you say that there is no difference in performance between CPU clock speeds. GW2 for example, getting 5fps or so while doing SB. Ran 4.2GHz@1.35v and the fps increased to 10. Same goes for Tera, saw an increase in fps in crowded areas. 

[App4that]

Neh don't worry, you don't need to test any of my games. I already roughly know the performance of those. And again I'm surprised you say that there is no difference in performance between CPU clock speeds. GW2 for example, getting 5fps or so while doing SB. Ran 4.2GHz@1.35v and the fps increased to 10. Same goes for Tera, saw an increase in fps in crowded areas. 

I honestly max out my fps at 60fps because I run a 60Hz monitor, I never drop below it to see if there's a difference in game.

[SteveGrabowski0]

you should not trust the "recommended system requirements" They always put higher requirements than needed so people cant complain about low FPS on X system . Farcry 4 says the game wont start on a dual core, and you can see on the internet tons of pentiums running the game just fine

 

An official copy of Far Cry 4 won't start on a dual core because it hardcoded some part of the loading on thread #3. You just get a black screen launching it on a Pentium.

[Kinda Bottlenecked]

I honestly max out my fps at 60fps because I run a 60Hz monitor, I never drop below it to see if there's a difference in game.

 

I cap my games at 60. Only game that are dropping below that are the mmos and Skyrim(modded) Everything else runs fine at max. 

[MageTank]

@OP: The i5 is perfectly fine. Those "recommending settings" are always fabricated. They still say "4790k or FX 8350" as if the 8350 holds even half a candle to any i7. As far as gaming is concerned, the 4690k and 4790k are identical. If put both of them at the exact same CPU frequency, they both will give you the same FPS in 95% of all games.

 

@ the people talking about the pentium: Go buy one. It's very clear that people do not have pentiums when they keep making the same misinformed statements involving them. That "stuttering" rumor is simple to explain. In games where textures are streamed in (Such as GTA 5) the cpu is too slow to stream in the textures at 60fps. You can do an artificial frame cap to 45-50fps, and it will never stutter again. Trust me, i run a G3258 as my daily CPU. I also have access to a 4690k and an FX 8320, and i can tell you, the G3258 and i5 run exactly the same in MMO's and less CPU intense games (Both clocked in at 4.2ghz). They both run laps around the FX 8320 (Clocked in at 4.0ghz) in everything but compression and video rendering. 

 

The Athlon 860k will out perform the Pentium in games that are threadbound. Not many games, even the latest AAA games, are super threadbound. You might be able to name 5, if you are lucky. Even Far Cry 4 is playable after patching it. Dragons Age Inquisition is the same way. The only game that absolutely smashes the G3258 is Ryse, but if you pair it with high performance memory, you can alleviate that CPU overhead quite a bit, making it playable. 

 

Would i recommend a G3258 to someone wanting a gaming PC? Depends on what kind of gaming they plan on doing. MMO's and DOTA's? Sure, G3258 will handle those no problem. Would i recommend it for the latest AAA games? Not really. It requires patching and frame caps to make the experience enjoyable for some games, and not a lot of people are going to want to do this. The 860k is reasonable in this scenario, because its plug and play. Don't need to worry about patching DLL's and setting frame limits in texture-streamed games.

 

At the end of the day, the G3258 should only be recommended if someone meets one or more of the following categories:

 

1. They new to overclocking, and want a cheap processor to toy with

2. They are short on money for an i5 or i7 processor, and need a cheap stop-gap

3. They only do light-medium gaming, and do not intend on playing the latest AAA titles

 

That's it. Simple, sweet, to the point. I am a firm believer of using the right tool for the job. The G3258 is t he right tool when used like i stated above. In my case, i fell under categories 1 and 2. While i was used to overclocking AMD CPU's from the past, going to a platform that had the voltage regulation on the chip was new to me. I wanted to learn how to OC under those circumstances, and i wanted to use a cheap CPU to do it. I was also waiting on buying an i7, so i figured i'd get a cheap CPU to hold me off until then anyways. 10 months later, i have the same CPU, still use it for gaming (Mostly MMO's, and occasionally GTA 5 and Witcher 3) and am waiting to move to Skylake this Friday. It was worth the $55 i spent on it.

 

I do want everyone discussing the Pentium (and other low-end CPU's) to take a look at the following video: 

 

Pay attention to the i3 6100, and look at the difference memory speed makes on the i3 in situations with high CPU overhead. Also take a look at the following OCN thread: http://www.overclock.net/t/1487162/an-independent-study-does-the-speed-of-ram-directly-affect-fps-during-high-cpu-overhead-scenarios

 

My pentium might be running fine, because i run a very aggressive memory overclock. Perhaps the people with stuttering pentiums are using 1333mhz on H81 boards, and cannot OC the memory. Either way, I stand by my previous statements regarding the G3258.

[Nena Trinity]

If your game can use 8 treads then go for a i7 also I hear more treads helps minimum FPS! :3

[Dimetime35c]

Me getting a 4670k isn't for benchmark. I'm only telling you all this is because you asked. I only simply wanted to OC the 4670k so that I can have a better experience in my mmos. And so far with the lack of OC. I ain't having a great time.

What's your cooling set up??? I have my 4690k OC to 4.6ghz but it will do 4.8ghz without breaking a sweat. My settings in bio are X46 multiplier, core clock 100, cpu volts 1.25 and ring ratio set to 3900 I think. I'm running an H110i water cooling unit. Under game stress I see no higher the 40 to 45c temps. Under full load I'm getting 60ish temps.

[App4that]

I cap my games at 60. Only game that are dropping below that are the mmos and Skyrim(modded) Everything else runs fine at max. 

That's just weird. You have a more powerful GPU than me, so something is going on. The only game that stresses my CPU at all is Armored Warefare, and I still have way more fps than I can use. What's your multiplier on the CPU cashe?

[Kinda Bottlenecked]

What's your cooling set up??? I have my 4690k OC to 4.6ghz but it will do 4.8ghz without breaking a sweat. My settings in bio are X46 multiplier, core clock 100, cpu volts 1.25 and ring ratio set to 3900 I think. I'm running an H110i water cooling unit. Under game stress I see no higher the 40 to 45c temps. Under full load I'm getting 60ish temps.

Air cooled. I have a heatsink like the hyper 212.

 

That's just weird. You have a more powerful GPU than me, so something is going on. The only game that stresses my CPU at all is Armored Warefare, and I still have way more fps than I can use. What's your multiplier on the CPU cashe? 

 

 

Nothing much is going on. I don't oc my cpu while gaming. The heat at 1.35v is too much. And mmos are pretty cpu intensive. Cpu cache ratio is at 40 iirc. 

[App4that]

 

Nothing much is going on. I don't oc my cpu while gaming. The heat at 1.35v is too much. And mmos are pretty cpu intensive. Cpu cache ratio is at 40 iirc. 

Just got done running benchmarks with the 290 crossfired with the 390, only bottleneck was the combined in Firestrike. I only saw a 50% max CPU usage in Valley and Heaven, and that was for a second here and there. Still compiling the data but the 390 is a definite beast. Are you using the Beta drivers?

[Kinda Bottlenecked]

Just got done running benchmarks with the 290 crossfired with the 390, only bottleneck was the combined in Firestrike. I only saw a 50% max CPU usage in Valley and Heaven, and that was for a second here and there. Still compiling the data but the 390 is a definite beast. Are you using the Beta drivers?

The last I ran Firestrike was on 15.7.1. Anyway, cpu usage doesn't really matter in benchmarks other than the physics test in fs. The clockspeeds are more important. Getting the highest max fps is important as well. It's not that I'm getting 100% usage in my cpu in those benchmarks. I'm having a lower avg fps because of the pathetic cpu clock speed.