Will fx 8350 be equal to i5 4690K in gaming(DX12) and multitasking

[Faceman]

If you already got the time to make the entire essay, might as well fix the spoiler so that people won't be bored of reading a long wall of text/essay. Just saying

It has to do with the maintenance.  If you look at the structure of it, all of the spoilers are in place, and intact.

[Clyne]

It has to do with the maintenance.  If you look at the structure of it, all of the spoilers are in place, and intact.

Yeah i know. Not entirely sure how long the spoiler thing is going to last anyway.

[Thor829]

We have all seen the graphs you have been posted but the difference in most cases is less than 10fps to the 4690k not like life or death here you need to get off your high horse of hate and let people make up their own mind. The question here is about DX12 and besides draw calls we have no idea whats going to happen.

[79wjd]

We have all seen the graphs you have been posted but the difference in most cases is less than 10fps to the 4690k not like life or death here you need to get off your high horse of hate and let people make up their own mind. The question here is about DX12 and besides draw calls we have no idea whats going to happen.

Let's see....spend approximately $250 for better performance right now and for years to come (and probably after that as well), or spend $250~ for something which may perform better than 3+ years.....The logical decision seems to be pretty straightforward.

[Shankar Jw]

Sorry for the spoilers being broken, but read this:

The truth can be denied, not avoided.

Awesome brother thank you so so much. But give me a day to read this fully tho . thanks again.

[Thor829]

Let's see....spend approximately $250 for better performance right now and for years to come (and probably after that as well), or spend $250~ for something which may perform better than 3+ years.....The logical decision seems to be pretty straightforward.

Didn't say it wasn't better and didn't say he should buy the fx just tired of the hate and idk where you getting a 250 for a 8350 but subtract almost 100 dollars from that. They can be had for 165. now do i think a i5 would be better right now for sure. who doesn't but the difference that everyone says is so huge in real world is not nearly as drastic. going br graphs that is and I'm sure the 8350 experience is worse in other ways as well. but heat is not a big deal as i deal with it daily power draw is not that huge and i run mine at 1.36v on the core all of the time and cool it with a h80 with no issues. with mother board it is close to 250 but so will most decent intel cpus as well. do i think most people looking in this price range should go for a 4460 or something close to that yes. But i don't just spew hate when someone thinks differently.

[Faceman]

Didn't say it wasn't better and didn't say he should buy the fx just tired of the hate and idk where you getting a 250 for a 8350 but subtract almost 100 dollars from that. They can be had for 165. now do i think a i5 would be better right now for sure. who doesn't but the difference that everyone says is so huge in real world is not nearly as drastic. going br graphs that is and I'm sure the 8350 experience is worse in other ways as well. but heat is not a big deal as i deal with it daily power draw is not that huge and i run mine at 1.36v on the core all of the time and cool it with a h80 with no issues. with mother board it is close to 250 but so will most decent intel cpus as well. do i think most people looking in this price range should go for a 4460 or something close to that yes. But i don't just spew hate when someone thinks differently.

It is.  Its the difference in minimum FPS that is very large.  Not to mention the difference in class of graphics card that can be satisfied.

 

You cannot compare just the price of the processor.  A proper motherboard + FX8 costs the same as a locked i5 + B85 motherboard.  That is why we say it costs the same, but one performs so much better than the other.

 

There is no hate being spewed, just facts.

[Faceman]

Awesome brother thank you so so much. But give me a day to read this fully tho . thanks again.

No problem man.  I know its a long read, but it covers everything.

[Sky Daddy]

I'd say you'd be fine with either but i'd still go for the i5 personally

 

that being said, i'm sure the fx processors will deliver good performance

 

recently switched from amd to intel and now all my games run smooth as butter

[ExcitezR]

just get the I5 and you will be happy i went from a 8350 to a I7 4790K and it was the best decision of my life also Dx12 will only work with DX12 games.... there are No Dx12 games  

[Aniallation]

are you saying 8350 is better at stock and what do you mean what difference will i get when i OC both

Theoretically if DX12 allows good distribution of workload across all cores available, 8350 would pull ahead of an i5-4690, both at stock speeds. However at this point nobody exactly knows as we're not DX12 testers, developers, nor time travelers. And of course, this isn't considering the many other ways that Intel is better such as upgradability, lower heat output, lower power consumption, stock cooler not sounding like a vacuum, etc

[itachipirate]

DX12 isn't out yet so we don't know. Odds are that the performance increase will be beneficial to the i5 as well as the 8350

[Shankar Jw]

No problem man. I know its a long read, but it covers everything.

Bro went with you ordered 4690k and help is gigabyte z97m d3h mbo okay?

[Faceman]

Bro went with you ordered 4690k and help is gigabyte z97m d3h mbo okay?

Yea, excellent CPU choice.

 

Mobo doesn't make much of a difference on Intel.  Its all about features and aesthetics.  Find a Z97 motherboard with the features and aesthetics that you like and go from there.

[Shankar Jw]

Yea, excellent CPU choice.

Mobo doesn't make much of a difference on Intel. Its all about features and aesthetics. Find a Z97 motherboard with the features and aesthetics that you like and go from there.

Cool but just worried about ocing in this board this is the cheap I can find in z97 .I won't be doing sli or cf even using an ssd so.

[Faceman]

Cool but just worried about ocing in this board this is the cheap I can find in z97 .I won't be doing sli or cf even using an ssd so.

Overclocking results, unless going for world records will be the same on a "low end" Z97 motherboard as a "high end" Z97 motherboard.  It all comes down to how good of a chip you get.  This is referred to as the silicon lottery. You will need aftermarket cooling in order to overclock.  A Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO is an excellent cooler for only $30.  You should also consider buying an SSD, they are amazing.  You only need 120GB($50).

[Shankar Jw]

Overclocking results, unless going for world records will be the same on a "low end" Z97 motherboard as a "high end" Z97 motherboard.  It all comes down to how good of a chip you get.  This is referred to as the silicon lottery. You will need aftermarket cooling in order to overclock.  A Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO is an excellent cooler for only $30.  You should also consider buying an SSD, they are amazing.  You only need 120GB($50).

bro one last thing since i am playing only at 180p at 60fps should i get 4690K or 4690

[Hieb]

Not all games will utilise DirectX 12 right away since it will depend on how early in the game's development it was implemented. And keep in mind in terms of CPU performance the main thing DirectX 12 is doing is making draw calls multi-threaded. This will certainly help the FX CPUs, but these are not the only thing that bog down CPU performance. Many other types of calculations cannot be multi-threaded such as AI or physics. Will depend on the specific engine/game.

 

All information right now suggests that DirectX 12 will substantially reduce the gap between the FX-8350 and 4690K, but there is no reason to think that it will make the FX-8350 better. Overall potential multi-threaded performance remains very close, and the multi-threaded draw calls will help the 4690K as much as it does the FX-8350.

 

Basically an application needs to use all eight threads for the FX-8350 to match the i5-4690K. An application using eight threads doesn't suddenly make the FX-8350 demolish an i5. Some extremely well scaling applications will have a slight edge on an FX-8350, though I do not expect gaming to be one of them since many other things will remain bound to a single core/thread.

[SkilledRebuilds]

We have all seen the graphs you have been posted but the difference in most cases is less than 10fps to the 4690k

Problem is, people look at graphs and see 5-10fps difference and think that's not too bad...

 

 

If only EVERYgraph had MIN-FPS values included.... thats the most important factor of the game being smooth and fluid. (What the game drops down to in heavy load)

 

FX CPU's have HORRIBLE, HORRIBLE MINFPS in so many titles it isn't funny anymore. This is the value people should be looking at.

[DimasRMDO]

Possibly, but also at the same time, probably not

Yeah, still waiting....

[Hieb]

Problem is, people look at graphs and see 5-10fps difference and think that's not too bad...

 

 

If only EVERY SINGLE ONE had MIN-FPS values included.... thats the most important factor of the game being smooth and fluid. (What the game drops down to in heavy load)

 

FX CPU's have HORRIBLE, HORRIBLE MINFPS in so many titles it isn't funny anymore. This is the value you should be looking at.

 

Frametime variance would be the most noteworthy. FX CPUs are more likely to produce stutter. Recorded FPS won't change much, but there will be a lot higher >90th percentile frame latencies on the FX CPU.

 

Average framerates are generally not too bad, and minimum framerates can even still be decent since usually when things do bog down the CPU it doesn't persist the whole second. You can have plenty of frames delayed (high latency) but still have overall an ok number of frames that second.

 

IMO 90th percentile frame latency is probably the most important figure since it's gonna be the observable stutter and framedrops.

[Dabombinable]

bro one last thing since i am playing only at 180p at 60fps should i get 4690K or 4690

It honestly depends on your budget. With the 4690k you can just leave it at stock clocks for now and when it starts becoming a bit slow in newer programs you can then start overclocking. The 4690 will do the job but it won't 'last' as long as the 4690K.

[i_build_nanosuits]

Will fx 8350 be equal to i5 4690K in gaming(DX12) and multitasking

No, next!

[Dabombinable]

No, next!

^He should know, he used to use an AMD FX 8***.

[i_build_nanosuits]

^He should know, he used to use an AMD FX 8***.

i'll just quote faceman here, he resumed the situation very well in his first post:

 

-This will only be for games coded for DX12, which we wont see for many years, and it won't fix games that aren't coded for DX12.

-There are many games, and many features/settings in games that are still going to rely on strong single core performance, which DX12 isn't going to fix.

-Not to mention, the price difference of an FX and locked i5 build is non-existent, so you should be going with an i5.

That's all there is to say, it will not magically fix everything, a game is still a game there will always be CPU limitations with a chip that has the single-threaded performance of an 8+ years old CPU.