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Is Zotac 1070 ti Amp Extreme a bad card? Should I buy it?

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I'm buying a GTX 1070 ti this week. Should I get the Amp Extreme? I've heard it has bad VRM cooling. Is it that bad? 
Should I steer clear of this card or buy it?

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What's your budget and country? I'll see if you can find a better card for your budget. I'm not saying the Zotac 1070 Ti Amp Extreme is a bad card, I'm just saying you might be able to get a better deal on something else.

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3 minutes ago, 1kv said:

What's your budget and country? I'll see if you can find a better card for your budget. I'm not saying the Zotac 1070 Ti Amp Extreme is a bad card, I'm just saying you might be able to get a better deal on something else.

I'm in Bangladesh. But my cousin's gonna buy it from Canada. Budget is around 400 USD/530 CDN.
Should I get this at 515 CDN or just get an EVGA FTW Ultra Silent by spending extra?

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Zotac cards generally overclock quite well, however there are better retailers such as EVGA and Gigabyte which offer better customer service and warranties. I have owned a Zotac card in the past and I had to return it as the coil whine was louder than my case fans. Don't let one bad experience reflect on the company as a whole though, if you can find a card within a similar price range from a more reputable company then buy it, however if it's the cheapest available option or the least expensive, there is not much to lose given you retain any and all documentation after your purchase for warranty purposes.

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3 minutes ago, Divergent.01 said:

I'm in Bangladesh. But my cousin's gonna buy it from Canada. Budget is around 400 USD/530 CDN.
Should I get this at 515 CDN or just get an EVGA FTW Ultra Silent by spending extra?

Honestly you really won't find anything that isn't Zotac below 530.. I found an MSI for $539, discounted from $688. Link: https://www.amazon.ca/GEFORCE-256-bit-Support-DirectX-Graphics/dp/B077PTV4WV/ref=sr_1_17?ie=UTF8&qid=1542880876&sr=8-17&keywords=gtx+1070+ti

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29 minutes ago, Divergent.01 said:

I'm buying a GTX 1070 ti this week. Should I get the Amp Extreme? I've heard it has bad VRM cooling. Is it that bad? 
Should I steer clear of this card or buy it?

this was 350 yesterday, but not too bad still i guess.

 

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487392&Description=1070 ti&cm_re=1070_ti-_-14-487-392-_-Product

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6 minutes ago, qqqqqq said:

Zotac cards generally overclock quite well, however there are better retailers such as EVGA and Gigabyte which offer better customer service and warranties. I have owned a Zotac card in the past and I had to return it as the coil whine was louder than my case fans. Don't let one bad experience reflect on the company as a whole though, if you can find a card within a similar price range from a more reputable company then buy it, however if it's the cheapest available option or the least expensive, there is not much to lose given you retain any and all documentation after your purchase for warranty purposes.

I stumbled upon this : https://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/2981-zotac-1080ti-amp-extreme-review

"This is a card which squanders its size advantage with poor design, resulting in a nearly 3-slot card which has thermal performance (as a whole) worse than 2-slot competitors, some at lower prices." - GameNexus

This is a 1080 ti review but looks like they're using the same cooling solution in the 1070 ti card. Steve of GamerNexus explains it has pretty disappointing cooling performance(Especially the MOSFETs and VRMs run very hot)

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3 minutes ago, xg32 said:

Yeah. I'm torn between this one and Zotac. The Zotac is cheaper and I can squeeze in some cables and adapters in the budget then. But looks like the cooler on the EVGA one is much better. I just want to know whether it'd be a bad choice to go with the Zotac(considering a poor engineered card for cooling) and will this matter in the long run?

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2 minutes ago, Divergent.01 said:

I stumbled upon this : https://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/2981-zotac-1080ti-amp-extreme-review

"This is a card which squanders its size advantage with poor design, resulting in a nearly 3-slot card which has thermal performance (as a whole) worse than 2-slot competitors, some at lower prices." - GameNexus

This is a 1080 ti review but looks like they're using the same cooling solution in the 1070 ti card. Steve of GamerNexus explains it has pretty disappointing cooling performance(Especially the MOSFETs and VRMs run very hot)

ya my friend has that exact 1080 ti, he got it for 700usd, he's not complaining but it's about 10C hotter than everything else, that's just the core, who knows how hot the hotspots on the cards are. if there are savings to be had sure, but the extra oc doesn't mean anything when there's thermal throttling.

5950x 1.33v 5.05 4.5 88C 195w ll R20 12k ll drp4 ll x570 dark hero ll gskill 4x8gb 3666 14-14-14-32-320-24-2T (zen trfc)  1.45v 45C 1.15v soc ll evga non-3090 tie ftw3 1905 0.8v 65C 270w (double fps of 1080ti) ll samsung 970 500gb nvme os ll sandisk 4tb ssd ll all nf12/14 fans ll tt gt10 case ll evga g2 1300w ll w10 pro ll 34GN850B ll x27 ll PA272w

 

9900k 1.36v 5.1avx 4.9ring 85C 195w (daily) 1.02v 4.3ghz 80w 50C R20 temps score=5500 ll D15 ll Z390 taichi ult 1.60 bios ll gskill 4x8gb 14-14-14-30-280-20 ddr3666  bdie 1.45v 45C 1.22sa/1.18 io  ll EVGA non-30 tie XC 1830//7600 0.85v 210w ll  8x nf12/14 fans 2x samsung 860 evo 500gb raid 0 ll 500gb nvme 970 evo ll Corsair graphite 780T ll EVGA P2 1200w ll Windows 10 Pro ll NEC PA242w (movie, work mon dying) 1080p 60hzll Predator X27 4k144 hdr (using at 4:4:4 98 fan is dying)

 

 

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4 minutes ago, Divergent.01 said:

I stumbled upon this : https://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/2981-zotac-1080ti-amp-extreme-review

"This is a card which squanders its size advantage with poor design, resulting in a nearly 3-slot card which has thermal performance (as a whole) worse than 2-slot competitors, some at lower prices." - GameNexus

This is a 1080 ti review but looks like they're using the same cooling solution in the 1070 ti card. Steve of GamerNexus explains it has pretty disappointing cooling performance(Especially the MOSFETs and VRMs run very hot)

Given the size, Zotac cards have quite poor thermal performance, however VRMS and MOSFETs can take alot more punishment than the GPU core does before becoming overloaded and resulting in throttling or other issues. I recommend EVGA as on later models (ICX Rev 3.0, correct me if I'm wrong) they focus on keeping those components cool and also include thermal monitoring for them in their software, which can be handy in certain overclocking situations. The only reason that Zotac cards overclock somewhat well is due to thermal mass, but as I said the mass to performance ratio is still rather low and could be made a lot better.

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5 minutes ago, xg32 said:

ya my friend has that exact 1080 ti, he got it for 700usd, he's not complaining but it's about 10C hotter than everything else, that's just the core, who knows how hot the hotspots on the cards are. if there are savings to be had sure, but the extra oc doesn't mean anything when there's thermal throttling.

So, should I look for a better card?

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1 minute ago, Divergent.01 said:

So, should I look for a better card?

i mean there needs to be a discount on the zotac card since it's worse, it depends on how much you are saving by buying the zotac card, ultimately it's ur call. i personally would just get that vega 56 lol.

 

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814930006&Description=vega 56&SortField=0&SummaryType=0&PageSize=10&SelectedRating=-1&VideoOnlyMark=False&ignorebbr=1&IsFeedbackTab=true#scrollFullInfo

 

unless you have a gsync monitor then make the call on those 1070 ti.

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6 minutes ago, qqqqqq said:

Given the size, Zotac cards have quite poor thermal performance, however VRMS and MOSFETs can take alot more punishment than the GPU core does before becoming overloaded and resulting in throttling or other issues. I recommend EVGA as on later models (ICX Rev 3.0, correct me if I'm wrong) they focus on keeping those components cool and also include thermal monitoring for them in their software, which can be handy in certain overclocking situations. The only reason that Zotac cards overclock somewhat well is due to thermal mass, but as I said the mass to performance ratio is still rather low and could be made a lot better.

I was eyeing the ACX one from EVGA (1070 ti FTW Ultra Silent). The ICX on (FTW2) costs higher but the performance is pretty identical overall. Yes to EVGA then?

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2 minutes ago, xg32 said:

i mean there needs to be a discount on the zotac card since it's worse, it depends on how much you are saving by buying the zotac card, ultimately it's ur call. i personally would just get that vega 56 lol.

 

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814930006&Description=vega 56&SortField=0&SummaryType=0&PageSize=10&SelectedRating=-1&VideoOnlyMark=False&ignorebbr=1&IsFeedbackTab=true#scrollFullInfo

 

unless you have a gsync monitor then make the call on those 1070 ti.

Damn. That's a good deal. I will upgrade my monitor soon. Guess I'll stick with 1070 ti. Thanks tho!

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3 minutes ago, Divergent.01 said:

I was eyeing the ACX one from EVGA (1070 ti FTW Ultra Silent). The ICX on (FTW2) costs higher but the performance is pretty identical overall. Yes to EVGA then?

that depends if the card's max temp really, some more extensive research is needed, i know for the 1080 ti the ftw3 had better thermals than the SC2, and i could actually max out powerlimit and temps on both cards, in that case, the ftw3 was my choice.

 

For the 2080 ti i hit power limit WAY before temp limit so cooler difference isn't worth the money and i got the cheaper model.

 

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/EVGA/GTX_1070_Ti_FTW2/33.html

 

seems like the non FE 1070 ti are pretty chill overall.

5950x 1.33v 5.05 4.5 88C 195w ll R20 12k ll drp4 ll x570 dark hero ll gskill 4x8gb 3666 14-14-14-32-320-24-2T (zen trfc)  1.45v 45C 1.15v soc ll evga non-3090 tie ftw3 1905 0.8v 65C 270w (double fps of 1080ti) ll samsung 970 500gb nvme os ll sandisk 4tb ssd ll all nf12/14 fans ll tt gt10 case ll evga g2 1300w ll w10 pro ll 34GN850B ll x27 ll PA272w

 

9900k 1.36v 5.1avx 4.9ring 85C 195w (daily) 1.02v 4.3ghz 80w 50C R20 temps score=5500 ll D15 ll Z390 taichi ult 1.60 bios ll gskill 4x8gb 14-14-14-30-280-20 ddr3666  bdie 1.45v 45C 1.22sa/1.18 io  ll EVGA non-30 tie XC 1830//7600 0.85v 210w ll  8x nf12/14 fans 2x samsung 860 evo 500gb raid 0 ll 500gb nvme 970 evo ll Corsair graphite 780T ll EVGA P2 1200w ll Windows 10 Pro ll NEC PA242w (movie, work mon dying) 1080p 60hzll Predator X27 4k144 hdr (using at 4:4:4 98 fan is dying)

 

 

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13 minutes ago, xg32 said:

that depends if the card's max temp really, some more extensive research is needed, i know for the 1080 ti the ftw3 had better thermals than the SC2, and i could actually max out powerlimit and temps on both cards, in that case, the ftw3 was my choice.

 

For the 2080 ti i hit power limit WAY before temp limit so cooler difference isn't worth the money and i got the cheaper model.

 

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/EVGA/GTX_1070_Ti_FTW2/33.html

 

seems like the non FE 1070 ti are pretty chill overall.

I'll be happy with the Zotac  to be perfectly honest. It's just, I'm worried if all that heat is going to affect it's durability in the future. 

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