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nvme + pci-e adapter. will it work?

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Hi all,

 

my actual os drive is about to fill up, and I have to update it with a new ssd with more capacity. Actually I have a Sam 840 evo, and I would update it with a 970 pro 512 gb. The situation si that the 970 is an nvme drive, and I would mount it on my Alienware AURORA R4 that have a modo with no m.2 slot, then I was thinking to use a m.2 to pci-e adapter. My question is, I will be able to boot the os from the pci even if my mobo doesn't support(not sure) nvme drives? Does my mobo have to support any particular function to boot from pci-e drive or any recent mobo can do it? I didn't find any info about this, but maybe someone here have already tried to do it on this system.

 

 

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Why spend the money on an NVMe Pro, or even an NVMe, when SATA is so much cheaper for most likely an unnoticeable real world difference?

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970 is an NVMe drive and it uses M.2 connector.

Your motherboard has no M.2 port.

You want to use M.2 to PCI Express adapter. Laptops don't have PCI Express slot.

 

Where's the logic here?

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4 minutes ago, jj9987 said:

970 is an NVMe drive and it uses M.2 connector.

Your motherboard has no M.2 port.

You want to use M.2 to PCI Express adapter. Laptops don't have PCI Express slot.

 

Where's the logic here?

Hi, thx for the answer. The AURORA R4 is not a laptop, it's a Desktop pc. 

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35 minutes ago, jstudrawa said:

Why spend the money on an NVMe Pro, or even an NVMe, when SATA is so much cheaper for most likely an unnoticeable real world difference?

just wanted to make a long term investiment. :) But I could go also for the sata version. Anyway, do you think it could work or no? Thanks

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Just now, Elfmann said:

just wanted to make a long term investiment. :) But I could go also for the sata version. Anyway, do you think it could work or no? Thanks

No reason it wouldn't, it's what it's made for.  But I would just get a 2.5" SATA 860 EVO 1tb and be done with it.  There is no long term investment concept here, in my opinion.  If you want faster in the future, buy faster... in the future.

 

 

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6 minutes ago, jstudrawa said:

No reason it wouldn't, it's what it's made for.  But I would just get a 2.5" SATA 860 EVO 1tb and be done with it.  There is no long term investment concept here, in my opinion.  If you want faster in the future, buy faster... in the future.

 

 

"No reason it wouldn't, it's what it's made for." I thought that this function was related to some kind of controller that the mobo has to have, or to some particular option that the BIOS have to support. Good to know that it's not like that. I've learned something new :)

And if you say that I will not notice any difference between sata and pci, I think I wil go for sata then.

Last question: 860 evo 1tb or 860 pro 512 gb? 512 gb should be more then enaugh for me, but 1tb should be useful in the future.

Then the question is always the same. By you experience, there is any performace difference between the Pro and the EVO?

 

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7 minutes ago, Elfmann said:

"No reason it wouldn't, it's what it's made for." I thought that this function was related to some kind of controller that the mobo has to have, or to some particular option that the BIOS have to support. Good to know that it's not like that. I've learned something new :)

And if you say that I will not notice any difference between sata and pci, I think I wil go for sata then.

Last question: 860 evo 1tb or 860 pro 512 gb? 512 gb should be more then enaugh for me, but 1tb should be useful in the future.

Then the question is always the same. By you experience, there is any performace difference between the Pro and the EVO?

 

Thanks you

Yes, there is a big performance difference in them.  But it's more of a speed consistency issue.  Regular SSD's can burst file transfer for a short period, PRO models maintain that speed for longer so moving a large file (like 4k video file you just rendered) is very  fast.  Since we use small (relatively) files, just a lot of them, for normal PC use... the regular SSD is bursting them well.  

 

NVMe is just much faster regular SSD, but it's real world speed is not noticeable since the Sata speed is already fast as balls. Plus it's just one aspect of the PC doing it's thing, the files them have to get CPU'd and GPU'd and RAM'd too

 

If you can run to your neighbors house in 1/10 of a second, would he even notice if you did it in 1/50?  No, it would look basically instantly to him in either case.  That's Sata vs NVMe. 

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24 minutes ago, jstudrawa said:

Yes, there is a big performance difference in them.  But it's more of a speed consistency issue.  Regular SSD's can burst file transfer for a short period, PRO models maintain that speed for longer so moving a large file (like 4k video file you just rendered) is very  fast.  Since we use small (relatively) files, just a lot of them, for normal PC use... the regular SSD is bursting them well.  

 

NVMe is just much faster regular SSD, but it's real world speed is not noticeable since the Sata speed is already fast as balls. Plus it's just one aspect of the PC doing it's thing, the files them have to get CPU'd and GPU'd and RAM'd too

 

If you can run to your neighbors house in 1/10 of a second, would he even notice if you did it in 1/50?  No, it would look basically instantly to him in either case.  That's Sata vs NVMe. 

Everything's clear :) thanks you very much. At the end I think that I will go for the 860 PRO(sata version) and save some bucks :D 

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Just now, Elfmann said:

Everything's clear :) thanks you very much. At the end I think that I will go for the 860 PRO (sata version)and save some bucks :D 

 

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Good choice! The best drive will always be the drive that suits you better and the best time to purchase one is when you actually need one. If you don't need everything that's extra or don't plan to demand the maximum never then just get what you need. Overall a good advice is to get one drive from a well-known company, that can offer you a good warranty and competitive prices.

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On 11/21/2018 at 8:03 PM, seagate_surfer said:

Good choice! The best drive will always be the drive that suits you better and the best time to purchase one is when you actually need one. If you don't need everything that's extra or don't plan to demand the maximum never then just get what you need. Overall a good advice is to get one drive from a well-known company, that can offer you a good warranty and competitive prices.

Totally agree. In the end I've bought the 860 pro 512 GB, and it fits perfect near my old Barracuda 2TB, that still holds up very well. ;)

Anyway, I have some question about the ssd. 

So I got the ssd, installed just the OS and the samsung magician software. The software says that the ssd is in "good" health, but in the "Total Bytes Written" section it say that I've already write 0.2 TB of data on the drive, that should be 200 GB if I'm not wrong, it's a bit strange.

@seagate_surfer @jstudrawa Do you think it's normal for a new ssd or I got a used drive? It was supposed to be new when I bought it. 

 

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2 minutes ago, Elfmann said:

Totally agree. In the end I've bought the 860 pro 512 GB, and it fits perfect near my old Barracuda 2TB, that still holds up very well. ;)

Anyway, I have some question about the ssd. 

So I got the ssd, installed just the OS and the samsung magician software. The software says that the ssd is in "good" health, but in the "Total Bytes Written" section it say that I've already write 0.2 TB of data on the drive, that should be 200 GB if I'm not wrong, it's a bit strange.

@seagate_surfer @jstudrawa Do you think it's normal for a new ssd or I got a used drive? It was supposed to be new when I bought it. 

 

Thanks you

You're probably seeing the overprovisioning aspects of the SSD as well as install files PLUS the final files of the OS.  It's Bytes Written, which is any activity that uses the drive to read and write, back and forth, not just files sitting on it.  

 

It's normal.  

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19 minutes ago, jstudrawa said:

You're probably seeing the overprovisioning aspects of the SSD as well as install files PLUS the final files of the OS.  It's Bytes Written, which is any activity that uses the drive to read and write, back and forth, not just files sitting on it.  

 

It's normal.  

hope it's like that.
so the OP is already enabled by the factory? because In the OP section of the "Magician" it still allow me to enable it, so it means that it's not enabled yet.

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The tools created by the manufacturers will show numbers based on the manufacturers' coding, 0.2 TB is probably what it really is but still, I wouldn't worry about. The S.M.A.R.T. details even though when they are read differently from manufacturer to manufacturer there are only some that will give the alerts that the drive is dying, look at the following document from Wikipedia and check the ones with the exclamation mark and a red triangle, those are the ones that indicate an imminent failure, the rest are just informational as the drive wears out:

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