Looking to boost performance/upgrade

[Vaapad]

Hey everyone,

first time posting here, hoping to find the best of the best advice, as googling benchmarks only before deciding what to do seems like a bad idea.

My current build:

Mainboard Asrock Fatal1ty AB 350 Gaming K4

CPU AMD Ryzen 7 1700 (Standard wraith cooler)
RAM G.Skill Trident Z RGB DDR4 2400 CL-15-15-15-35 Dual Kit (2 x 8GB)
GPU EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 FTW2 (8 GB)
SSD Samsung M.2 EVO 960 500GB (For OS and games)

Monitors 1x 24" 144hz 1080p // 1x 24" 60hz 1080p
 

1. Budget & Location

Budget currently lies around 200€, no major upgrade planned anyway. Location is Germany.

 

2. Aim

I am mostly playing CoD Black Ops 4: Blackout, BFV, Rocket League and I want to boost FPS while still maintaining high graphic settings. Currently it's a bit of a gamble to lower settings in order to achieve stable 144 fps or more. Playing e.g. Blackout on low-medium settings runs the game on high fps, but lowers my joy while playing because I have to give up on the looks (first world problems I guess).

 

3. Monitors

As mentioned above. Not planning to change them in the near future.

 

What I'm currently looking at is multiple things (not sure which one helps the most):

1. AiO CPU watercooling to overclock the CPU higher
2. Get better RAM, as the Ryzen CPU supposedly works great with high speed RAM and 2400mhz is not really top notch. I was looking at 3200 or 3600mhz RAMs.
3. Upgrade the CPU (probably not worth, but I'm no pro)


Any help or insight is appreciated!


Cheers.

[Dedayog]

You're kinda looking pretty good.   I am not sure what faster RAM will provide real world, but 3200 isn't super cheap yet.  

 

I'd honestly get more SSD love, because I know 500GB is tight for OS and games.  Grab another TB of SSD, SATA is fine.

 

How are you for the peripherals?  They impact your gaming experience as well, just not directly, but worth taking into account.

 

Edit:  Just noticed you want to play at 144Hz.  Not sure much will help without selling your Ryzen setup and going Intel, unless you OC the 2700(X)?

[ki8aras]

7 minutes ago, Vaapad said:

Hey everyone,

first time posting here, hoping to find the best of the best advice, as googling benchmarks only before deciding what to do seems like a bad idea.

My current build:

Mainboard Asrock Fatal1ty AB 350 Gaming K4

CPU AMD Ryzen 7 1700 (Standard wraith cooler)
RAM G.Skill Trident Z RGB DDR4 2400 CL-15-15-15-35 Dual Kit (2 x 8GB)
GPU EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 FTW2 (8 GB)
SSD Samsung M.2 EVO 960 500GB (For OS and games)

Monitors 1x 24" 144hz 1080p // 1x 24" 60hz 1080p
 

1. Budget & Location

Budget currently lies around 200€, no major upgrade planned anyway. Location is Germany.

 

2. Aim

I am mostly playing CoD Black Ops 4: Blackout, BFV, Rocket League and I want to boost FPS while still maintaining high graphic settings. Currently it's a bit of a gamble to lower settings in order to achieve stable 144 fps or more. Playing e.g. Blackout on low-medium settings runs the game on high fps, but lowers my joy while playing because I have to give up on the looks (first world problems I guess).

 

3. Monitors

As mentioned above. Not planning to change them in the near future.

 

What I'm currently looking at is multiple things (not sure which one helps the most):

1. AiO CPU watercooling to overclock the CPU higher
2. Get better RAM, as the Ryzen CPU supposedly works great with high speed RAM and 2400mhz is not really top notch. I was looking at 3200 or 3600mhz RAMs.
3. Upgrade the CPU (probably not worth, but I'm no pro)


Any help or insight is appreciated!


Cheers.

upgrading the ram won't really help since ryzen 1st gen can't go higher than about 3000mhz just overclock your current ram to 2900 like i did

in my opinion the best you could do is sell your 1080 and buy a 2070 which is a small upgrade plus i don't think you will have to spend any money at all 

since 2070's go for about 550 euros while 1080's go for around 600

[Vaapad]

6 minutes ago, jstudrawa said:

You're kinda looking pretty good.   I am not sure what faster RAM will provide real world, but 3200 isn't super cheap yet.  

 

I'd honestly get more SSD love, because I know 500GB is tight for OS and games.  Grab another TB of SSD, SATA is fine.

 

How are you for the peripherals?  They impact your gaming experience as well, just not directly, but worth taking into account.

 

Edit:  Just noticed you want to play at 144Hz.  Not sure much will help without selling your Ryzen setup and going Intel, unless you OC the 2700(X)?

I so have a second SSD for whatever game or data needs to go somewhere else.

Peripherals currently are Razer Deathadder Chroma, Corsair Strafe RGB, HyperX Revolver headset, Mouse Bungie.

If I go Intel, I'd have to change the MB aswell and end up with way more budget to spend. 

 

8 minutes ago, ki8aras said:

upgrading the ram won't really help since ryzen 1st gen can't go higher than about 3000mhz just overclock your current ram to 2900 like i did

in my opinion the best you could do is sell your 1080 and buy a 2070 which is a small upgrade plus i don't think you will have to spend any money at all 

since 2070's go for about 550 euros while 1080's go for around 600

That's good to know about 1st gen Ryzen cap, thanks. How do I overclock the 2400 ram to 2900 safely though? 

How is the 1080 higher than 2070, if the performance of 2070 is higher?

[ki8aras]

1 minute ago, Vaapad said:

I so have a second SSD for whatever game or data needs to go somewhere else.

Peripherals currently are Razer Deathadder Chroma, Corsair Strafe RGB, HyperX Revolver headset, Mouse Bungie.

If I go Intel, I'd have to change the MB aswell and end up with way more budget to spend. 

 

That's good to know about 1st gen Ryzen cap, thanks. How do I overclock the 2400 ram to 2900 safely though? 

How is the 1080 higher than 2070, if the performance of 2070 is higher?

the 2070 is 15% faster than the 1080 it isnt that much but you also get the capability of raytracing in future games

memory overclocking is simple just follow a youtube guide just make sure you set the memory multiplier to 29(29*100=2900mhz)

if the bios in your bios doesnt look like the one in the video try to find a video by typing how to overclock ram on(motherboard manufacturer name)motherboard

 

[Brooksie359]

37 minutes ago, Vaapad said:

Hey everyone,

first time posting here, hoping to find the best of the best advice, as googling benchmarks only before deciding what to do seems like a bad idea.

My current build:

Mainboard Asrock Fatal1ty AB 350 Gaming K4

CPU AMD Ryzen 7 1700 (Standard wraith cooler)
RAM G.Skill Trident Z RGB DDR4 2400 CL-15-15-15-35 Dual Kit (2 x 8GB)
GPU EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 FTW2 (8 GB)
SSD Samsung M.2 EVO 960 500GB (For OS and games)

Monitors 1x 24" 144hz 1080p // 1x 24" 60hz 1080p
 

1. Budget & Location

Budget currently lies around 200€, no major upgrade planned anyway. Location is Germany.

 

2. Aim

I am mostly playing CoD Black Ops 4: Blackout, BFV, Rocket League and I want to boost FPS while still maintaining high graphic settings. Currently it's a bit of a gamble to lower settings in order to achieve stable 144 fps or more. Playing e.g. Blackout on low-medium settings runs the game on high fps, but lowers my joy while playing because I have to give up on the looks (first world problems I guess).

 

3. Monitors

As mentioned above. Not planning to change them in the near future.

 

What I'm currently looking at is multiple things (not sure which one helps the most):

1. AiO CPU watercooling to overclock the CPU higher
2. Get better RAM, as the Ryzen CPU supposedly works great with high speed RAM and 2400mhz is not really top notch. I was looking at 3200 or 3600mhz RAMs.
3. Upgrade the CPU (probably not worth, but I'm no pro)


Any help or insight is appreciated!


Cheers.

What I would do is save that money for when Zen 2 comes out and upgrade to that as it will likely be much better at hitting higher fps in games compared to your current cpu. The 2700x already does beat it in fps by a fair amount but not enough to warrant the upgrade. The 3700x likely will be enough to warrant the upgrade though. 

[Brooksie359]

13 minutes ago, ki8aras said:

the 2070 is 15% faster than the 1080 it isnt that much but you also get the capability of raytracing in future games

memory overclocking is simple just follow a youtube guide just make sure you set the memory multiplier to 29(29*100=2900mhz)

if the bios in your bios doesnt look like the one in the video try to find a video by typing how to overclock ram on(motherboard manufacturer name)motherboard

 

Not worth it to get a 2070 over a 1080. They are essentially the same performance. 

[.Apex.]

@Vaapad

If you go to your Black Ops 4 Folder, and then \players\config.ini

 

Search for worker_threads and change the value to 8

Example: worker_threads = "8" 

 

that should give you a performance boost, don't know what the default value is, but its something like 2 or 4, which is stupid.

[Fasauceome]

33 minutes ago, ki8aras said:

upgrading the ram won't really help since ryzen 1st gen can't go higher than about 3000mhz just overclock your current ram to 2900 like i did

Not true, first gen Ryzen can go really high, even though it isn't "officially" supported. However, overclocking will help a lot.

[ki8aras]

1 minute ago, Brooksie359 said:

Not worth it to get a 2070 over a 1080. They are essentially the same performance. 

oh okay my bad then o:

[Brooksie359]

1 minute ago, ki8aras said:

oh okay my bad then o:

I mean it's alot of effort for about a 7% average performance increace. If they were buying new then yeah it would make sense but they already have the 1080 so trying to switch it out with a 2070 isn't really worth it. Also I doubt the 2070 Will be able to do proper Ray tracing the. 

[ki8aras]

Just now, Brooksie359 said:

I mean it's alot of effort for about a 7% average performance increace. If they were buying new then yeah it would make sense but they already have the 1080 so trying to switch it out with a 2070 isn't really worth it. Also I doubt the 2070 Will be able to do proper Ray tracing the. 

in bf5 its only able to do low to medium raytracing so i agree

[Brooksie359]

5 minutes ago, fasauceome said:

Not true, first gen Ryzen can go really high, even though it isn't "officially" supported. However, overclocking will help a lot.

Let's be honest here it can't go realu high for the most part. It can go higher than 3000 but 3200 is about what is realistic. Alot of people can't even hit 3000 and even more can't hit 3200. Going above 3200 is even rarer and isn't something that I would shoot for tbh. 

[ki8aras]

1 minute ago, Brooksie359 said:

Let's be honest here it can't go realu high for the most part. It can go higher than 3000 but 3200 is about what is realistic. Alot of people can't even hit 3000 and even more can't hit 3200. Going above 3200 is even rarer and isn't something that I would shoot for tbh. 

so its buying faster ram is not worth it

[Brooksie359]

1 minute ago, ki8aras said:

so its buying faster ram is not worth it

If you are buying the system new and are picking out ram then shoot for a good kit of 3200mhz ram as they aren't super expensive but also give good performance gains if you can hit 3200. Anything higher than 3200 doesn't give a big difference in performance and is much more expensive so not worth it imo. Definitely not worth buying a new kit if you already have ram. 

[Vaapad]

14 hours ago, syn2112 said:

@Vaapad

If you go to your Black Ops 4 Folder, and then \players\config.ini

 

Search for worker_threads and change the value to 8

Example: worker_threads = "8" 

 

that should give you a performance boost, don't know what the default value is, but its something like 2 or 4, which is stupid.

Changed this already, but thanks anyhow

[Vaapad]

So from all the things that have been said so far, I gather my options are to 

 

a) OC my RAM instead of replacing it

b) Upgrade CPU as soon as Zen 2 hits the market (which will then most likely exceed the current budget, but that's fine considering I'd have a lot of time to save money)