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Compassionate Homicide
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Ok, I got a lilttle overzealous in my last thread. There's no way I can fit anything taller than about 162mm in my case, and maybe 140mm width.

 

Between these two, what is the general consensus?

 

If I get a new cooler, I don't want to worry about having to request an AM4 bracket, otherwise I'd get a Reeven Justice.

 

My only other option is an H80i, which I wouldn't mind. But I did set out with a specific budget goal and would like to stick with air.

 

I briefly considered the Cryo H7 Plus, but can't really find any reviews on it yet since it hasn't been out that long.

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Arctic Freezer 33 eSports ONE or be quiet! Pure Rock Slim?

CPU: Intel Core i7-950 Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD3R CPU Cooler: NZXT HAVIK 140 RAM: Corsair Dominator DDR3-1600 (1x2GB), Crucial DDR3-1600 (2x4GB), Crucial Ballistix Sport DDR3-1600 (1x4GB) GPU: ASUS GeForce GTX 770 DirectCU II 2GB SSD: Samsung 860 EVO 2.5" 1TB HDDs: WD Green 3.5" 1TB, WD Blue 3.5" 1TB PSU: Corsair AX860i & CableMod ModFlex Cables Case: Fractal Design Meshify C TG (White) Fans: 2x Dynamic X2 GP-12 Monitors: LG 24GL600F, Samsung S24D390 Keyboard: Logitech G710+ Mouse: Logitech G502 Proteus Spectrum Mouse Pad: Steelseries QcK Audio: Bose SoundSport In-Ear Headphones

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8 minutes ago, r2724r16 said:

Arctic Freezer 33 eSports ONE or be quiet! Pure Rock Slim?

Nope and nope. Not nearly enough cooling capacity. Need something that can compete with a noctua 14 or 15 at minimum, with 120mm fan(s).

Only have 1x120 (intake front), 1x120mm (exhaust rear - delta coming), 2x80mm sides.

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What case are you using?

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4 minutes ago, JM21 said:

What case are you using?

Old Raidmax Smilodon. Which, for the cheap af Kingwin case fans I put in (I was in a rush), is staying pretty cool.

1x Sandisk 256 ssd

1x WD Blue 2TB

2x WD Gold 1tb

2x burners

1x sata mobile rack sata hdd cage.

 

To be honest, I'm surprised I'm staying as cool as I am with these cheap fans. New fans are in transit, 1x120 Delta, 1x120 Noctua, 2x80 Noctua.

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6 minutes ago, Compassionate Homicide said:

Old Raidmax Smilodon. Which, for the cheap af Kingwin case fans I put in (I was in a rush), is staying pretty cool.

1x Sandisk 256 ssd

1x WD Blue 2TB

2x WD Gold 1tb

2x burners

1x sata mobile rack sata hdd cage.

Is this the case?

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/jMNp99/raidmax-case-atx612wb

If so you can fit some pretty big air coolers in it, not sure why there's an issue finding a cooler. PC Part Picker lists these coolers compatible:

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/products/cpu-cooler/#sort=-price&page=1

 

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3 hours ago, JM21 said:

Is this the case?

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/jMNp99/raidmax-case-atx612wb

If so you can fit some pretty big air coolers in it, not sure why there's an issue finding a cooler. PC Part Picker lists these coolers compatible:

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/products/cpu-cooler/#sort=-price&page=1

 

Yep, that's it. I'm an old fart with old parts.

 

have about 160-162mm height clearance. But only about 120-140 pcie clearance if I remember, due to the "video card cooling bar"...see attached pic with yellow.

I'll remeasure when I put new fans in, as it's in a very awkward location to disconnect all peripherals from. Plenty of space front-to-back though.

 

Not my pic, taken from the net.

 

 

Raidmax-Smilodon-ATX-Mid-Tower-Case-_57.jpg

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24 minutes ago, Compassionate Homicide said:

 

Yep, that's it. I'm an old fart with old parts.

 

have about 160-162mm height clearance. But only about 120-140 pcie clearance if I remember, due to the "video card cooling bar"...see attached pic with yellow.

I'll remeasure when I put new fans in, as it's in a very awkward location to disconnect all peripherals from. Plenty of space front-to-back though.

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PCpartpicker only lists compatible parts so you can fit any of the coolers on the list below. I'm not sure what the exact measurements are but it can fit a large air cooler that is 163mm tall which is pretty much as big as it gets.

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/products/cpu-cooler/?compatible_with=jMNp99

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16 hours ago, JM21 said:

PCpartpicker only lists compatible parts so you can fit any of the coolers on the list below. I'm not sure what the exact measurements are but it can fit a large air cooler that is 163mm tall which is pretty much as big as it gets.

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/products/cpu-cooler/?compatible_with=jMNp99

Thanks JM. I tried partpicker the other night. Even though they list as compatible, many of them give a "can not verify cooler and case compatibility" notes once both are added to the build sheet. Like the noctua D15, I'm almost positive there's no way in hell that would fit.

Was hoping new fans would arrive today. I won't be able to install them and measure until Tuesday now :(

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49 minutes ago, Compassionate Homicide said:

Thanks JM. I tried partpicker the other night. Even though they list as compatible, many of them give a "can not verify cooler and case compatibility" notes once both are added to the build sheet. Like the noctua D15, I'm almost positive there's no way in hell that would fit.

Was hoping new fans would arrive today. I won't be able to install them and measure until Tuesday now :(

Good to know! Yeah, that's a pretty uncommon/older case so I'm guessing that's why. I'm sure something like the Cryorig H7 or Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo would fit without any issues though. They are not large coolers and that is a Mid Tower case. 

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8 hours ago, JM21 said:

Good to know! Yeah, that's a pretty uncommon/older case so I'm guessing that's why. I'm sure something like the Cryorig H7 or Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo would fit without any issues though. They are not large coolers and that is a Mid Tower case. 

I run the CM Hyper 212 LED right now, which I'm pretty impressed by given how cheap, and roughly finished the base face is. 

I'm hoping to run one of the coolers in the topic. But if neither will fit, I'm going to try the new Cryorig H7 Plus. I was able to find 2 reviews of it. The English review (from 3 days ago on eteknix.com) showed some good results compared to about 20 other coolers, liquid and air. It beat the NH-D15S by 3c. But this was all on a delidded i7-7700k. They state:

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Overclocking tests are performed with the CPU set to 5 GHz and 1.345v.

I'm actually questioning the results slightly, as I find it hard to believe it performed so well compared to so many liquid systems. See the attached pic and tell me that doesn't seem odd. BUT, and IF, it actually performs that well, there's a new king. One that's smaller, and quieter, than the new Dark Rock 4 Pro.

 

The Spanish review only compared it to three other coolers I think, so not much comparison.

 

 

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25 minutes ago, Compassionate Homicide said:

I run the CM Hyper 212 LED right now, which I'm pretty impressed by given how cheap, and roughly finished the base face is. 

I'm hoping to run one of the coolers in the topic. But if neither will fit, I'm going to try the new Cryorig H7 Plus. I was able to find 2 reviews of it. The English review (from 3 days ago on eteknix.com) showed some good results compared to about 20 other coolers, liquidownedand air. It beat the NH-D15S by 3c. But this was all on a delidded i7-7700k. They state:

I'm actually questioning the results slightly, as I find it hard to believe it performed so well compared to so many liquid systems. See the attached pic and tell me that doesn't seem odd. BUT, and IF, it actually performs that well, there's a new king. One that's smaller, and quieter, than the new Dark Rock 4 Pro.

 

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I've owned the Hyper 212 LED in the past as well, it is a very impressive cooler, probably the best value option. But another good upper to mid-range cooler is the Cryorig H5 Ultimate. The H7 plus looks pretty good though.

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2 minutes ago, JM21 said:

 

I've owned the Hyper 212 LED in the past as well, it is a very impressive cooler, probably the best value option. But another good upper to mid-range cooler is the Cryorig H5 Ultimate. The H7 plus looks pretty good though.

H5 ulti doesn't look bad, but at 140mm width, I can think of a couple others I'd rather have. If the H7+ is this decent, it's a great value for the size. I still have about half a week before I order a new cooler, hopefully some more reviews pop up.I need to google and see if I can find regular H7 reviews, running something like dual Noctua fans.

 

Yeah, I'm quite impressed with my 212 for the cost. I'm wondering if I were lap the mounting surface on my 212, how much better temps would be. The machined face is extremely rough and uneven in spots. I used to work in a machine shop running mills and lathes. The finished surface on my 212 makes me gag .I'd seriously have to start with something like 80grit sandpaper.

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On 11/8/2018 at 6:46 PM, r2724r16 said:

Arctic Freezer 33 eSports ONE or be quiet! Pure Rock Slim?

I'm going to look up the AF 33 Es some more. Saw a review on my phone earlier on techbuyersguru for 120mm coolers, including what looked like decent performance from the Corsair H60. I don't think either will do the job, but you never know. As I said above, I need to get these new case fans installed and test temps.

 

I'll also be lapping the crappy mounting surface on my 212 LED. I anticipate about maybe a 2c drop with a smooth surface.

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Ninja 5 is optimized for low RPM and don't scale very good with higher RPM. 

Mugen 5 works still well with higher RPM fans.

This means the Ninja 5 is brilliant for slient cooling but if you accept a louder system (higher RPM) the Mugen 5 is fine.

If you can fit a Ninja 5 go with it.

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9 hours ago, James Evens said:

Ninja 5 is optimized for low RPM and don't scale very good with higher RPM. 

Mugen 5 works still well with higher RPM fans.

This means the Ninja 5 is brilliant for slient cooling but if you accept a louder system (higher RPM) the Mugen 5 is fine.

If you can fit a Ninja 5 go with it.

Thanks James. Looked up the Fuma B and it looks like a good performer too, but not sure if it will fit and I've read about ram clearance issues. But I don't think the ram issue, will be an issue.

 

I'm putting a Delta 120 in on Tuesday, so I'm fine with a little noise, especially since the cooler is contained in the case.

 

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