CPU for dedicated streaming pc

[Nbd508]

So I missed out on a realllly good deal on a 1900x and mobo today; but I got to thinking about putting a second system together for streaming.

Lately I've been having a lot of Lag and stutters even in the display preview of OBS on certain titles, for ex.  Rainbow 6: siege.   Even at 720p  

I've tried switching to hardware rather than .264  in the settings no luck there.  It seems like I am bottlenecking my CPU.  Which amazes me to be honest.

I already have a spare: case, cpu, z270 mobo, psu, HDD.  So If i go with some 1151 socket I would save the cost of the MOBO and only need to also purchase probably 2x4gb of ddr4 ram.

That being said.  What should I go with ????!?!?!   I was heartbroken over the threadripper being sold before I got to it .  I had my eyes on the 8/16 beast.  

I have an elgato hd60 pro coming in a couple days; I wonder if that might alleviate some of the bottlenecking?


TIA

[Streetguru]

5 minutes ago, Nbd508 said:

 

What's your current PC?

 

a capture care like that doesn't do any encoding work by itself.

[Nbd508]

3 minutes ago, Streetguru said:

What's your current PC?

 

a capture care like that doesn't do any encoding work by itself.

• CPU
  Intel I7-7700k
• Motherboard
  MSI xpower gaming Titanium z270
• RAM
  4x8gb DDR4 Gskill-ripjaws 3200mhz
• GPU
  GTX1080ti ScGaming-iCXBlack 11GB (x2)
• Case
  CoolerMaster 5 Mid (white)
• Storage
  Samsung 960 pro 512 m.2 Samsung 850 Evo 500gb Toshiba 1tb HDD
• PSU
  EVGA superNOVA 1000watt G3
• Display(s)
  2x MSI Optix g24c 144hz
• Cooling
  2 Corsair SP140 2 AF120 - cpu copper cold plate corsair H90 liquid cooled
• Keyboard
  G910
• Mouse
  g502
• Sound
  Bose/g933/onkyo tr nx575 with 5.1 digitech procinema600
• Operating System
  Windows10 Pro x64

[LukeSavenije]

11 minutes ago, Nbd508 said:

So I missed out on a realllly good deal on a 1900x and mobo today; but I got to thinking about putting a second system together for streaming.

Lately I've been having a lot of Lag and stutters even in the display preview of OBS on certain titles, for ex.  Rainbow 6: siege.   Even at 720p  

I've tried switching to hardware rather than .264  in the settings no luck there.  It seems like I am bottlenecking my CPU.  Which amazes me to be honest.

I already have a spare: case, cpu, z270 mobo, psu, HDD.  So If i go with some 1151 socket I would save the cost of the MOBO and only need to also purchase probably 2x4gb of ddr4 ram.

That being said.  What should I go with ????!?!?!   I was heartbroken over the threadripper being sold before I got to it .  I had my eyes on the 8/16 beast.  

I have an elgato hd60 pro coming in a couple days; I wonder if that might alleviate some of the bottlenecking?


TIA

do you have any budget? and will it be used for stream encoding or also for playing the game on?

[Nbd508]

3 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said:

do you have any budget? and will it be used for stream encoding or also for playing the game on?

I plan to use it for OBS streaming  file storage and probably move a couple programs over to it but nothing too intensive. I wasn't even thinking about putting a dedicated GPU.   As far as budget, I pretty much have almost everything I should need unless I went to a different chipset.

 

[Streetguru]

9 minutes ago, Nbd508 said:

 

You don't need a secondary PC, just use shadowplay or NVENC in OBS, shouldn't have any problems doing 1080p 60fps capture/streaming

[Nbd508]

Like I said most games are ok even at 1080p 60.  Some are crap even down to 720p

[LukeSavenije]

4 minutes ago, Nbd508 said:

I plan to use it for OBS streaming  file storage and probably move a couple programs over to it but nothing too intensive. I wasn't even thinking about putting a dedicated GPU.   As far as budget, I pretty much have almost everything I should need unless I went to a different chipset.

 

If you want to keep using a z270 mobo, the 7700k will be the best you can get. if you want to go to a newer platform amd is a great choise. the 1900x isn't what i would suggest becouse it just has more pci lanes than the ryzen 7 series. so my suggestions for that will be 2600/2700/1920x/1950x. what you want is your choise of budget

[Ashiella]

15 minutes ago, Nbd508 said:

• CPU
  Intel I7-7700k
• Motherboard
  MSI xpower gaming Titanium z270
• RAM
  4x8gb DDR4 Gskill-ripjaws 3200mhz
• GPU
  GTX1080ti ScGaming-iCXBlack 11GB (x2)
• Case
  CoolerMaster 5 Mid (white)
• Storage
  Samsung 960 pro 512 m.2 Samsung 850 Evo 500gb Toshiba 1tb HDD
• PSU
  EVGA superNOVA 1000watt G3
• Display(s)
  2x MSI Optix g24c 144hz
• Cooling
  2 Corsair SP140 2 AF120 - cpu copper cold plate corsair H90 liquid cooled
• Keyboard
  G910
• Mouse
  g502
• Sound
  Bose/g933/onkyo tr nx575 with 5.1 digitech procinema600
• Operating System
  Windows10 Pro x64

Siege uses up to 16 threads if given the graphics power to allow it. It also has lots of system calls (so your ram config is fine if XMP is enabled) Im using a 1080 and at low settings I can get 60-70% usage, I've gotten 90% usage before from it depending on the settings I was using. That's why your cpu is pinned. I had a 7700k @5.1ghz before as well and it was pinned at 100% whenever I played the game.

[Jimkirk363]

if u want a CPU for streaming i reckon u should look at the AMD Ryzen range.

[TopHatProductions115]

1 hour ago, Streetguru said:

a capture care like that doesn't do any encoding work by itself.

If you're going to be recording and streaming, the HD 60 Pro isn't a bad option. Otherwise, you can go with a capture card that doesn't have an encoding chip onboard. Or, use H.264 (software/CPU). Or use NVENC (GTX 600 series and higher). 

[Nbd508]

1 hour ago, LukeSavenije said:

If you want to keep using a z270 mobo, the 7700k will be the best you can get. if you want to go to a newer platform amd is a great choise. the 1900x isn't what i would suggest becouse it just has more pci lanes than the ryzen 7 series. so my suggestions for that will be 2600/2700/1920x/1950x. what you want is your choise of budget

I only was after the 1900x because the deal was that with an x399 for super cheap; I only thought to stay z270 because I have a spare board.  I would prefer something higher core/thread with onboard graphics and avoid needing a gpu.

1 hour ago, Ashiella said:

Siege uses up to 16 threads if given the graphics power to allow it. It also has lots of system calls (so your ram config is fine if XMP is enabled) Im using a 1080 and at low settings I can get 60-70% usage, I've gotten 90% usage before from it depending on the settings I was using. That's why your cpu is pinned. I had a 7700k @5.1ghz before as well and it was pinned at 100% whenever I played the game.

Right, so it seemed almost like a sudden concern that now siege and even rocket league have some lag when displaying the preview in obs and streaming to twitch.  I didn't notice it before. I went and uninstalled my graphics drivers and obs and fresh installed them. Also played around with a lot of settings in obs and even dropped from 1080 -60 to 720-30 still same issue, just mostly r6

1 hour ago, jimkirk363 said:

if u want a CPU for streaming i reckon u should look at the AMD Ryzen range.

any suggestions specifically? I wouldn't want to jump from an intel 4/8 to an AMD 4/8 doesn't seem cost effective

21 minutes ago, TopHatProductions115 said:

If you're going to be recording and streaming, the HD 60 Pro isn't a bad option. Otherwise, you can go with a capture card that doesn't have an encoding chip onboard. Or, use H.264 (software/CPU). Or use NVENC (GTX 600 series and higher). 

I got the hd 60 pro for 50 bucks so I couldn't pass it up.  I tried using the NVENC with my 1080ti's but it looks like obs only picks up a single on,  I don't think r6 really uses both to their full advantage even when sli enabled. 

[Kc7vwc]

I'd suggest rebuilding & reinstalling your system. That's already a beast for gaming & streaming by itself, and even poorly optimized games should run better than that. 

But I'll also say that while streaming, I used to notice micro-stuttering on mine. My FPS was always good, but the Frame Pacing was horrible. Turns out it was running any kind of video while streaming would cause this. YT, VLC, even the OBS preview window would cause it. Really sensitive games (Rocket League for me) & high refresh rates were the worst combinations for it to happen. 

Try minimizing any video & see if that helps. This happened to me with both a GTX 970 & R9 390.

[Nbd508]

12 hours ago, Kc7vwc said:

I'd suggest rebuilding & reinstalling your system. That's already a beast for gaming & streaming by itself, and even poorly optimized games should run better than that. 

But I'll also say that while streaming, I used to notice micro-stuttering on mine. My FPS was always good, but the Frame Pacing was horrible. Turns out it was running any kind of video while streaming would cause this. YT, VLC, even the OBS preview window would cause it. Really sensitive games (Rocket League for me) & high refresh rates were the worst combinations for it to happen. 

Try minimizing any video & see if that helps. This happened to me with both a GTX 970 & R9 390.

What exactly do you mean by rebuilding lol? 

[Kc7vwc]

LOL, odd choice of words.  Usually when I reinstall my system & pull it apart and clean everything too. So natural to say rebuild & reinstall. 

But yeah, if my games start going wonky a complete windows reinstall (SSD/HDD format) along with fresh copies of games is my usual solution. 

[Mick Naughty]

Elgato would work fine. As would shawdowplay. 

 

Second pc would be the best option. 

Depends on the budget really. The lowest I would go would be a 3rd gen i5/7 and low end board. 

[Nbd508]

4 hours ago, Mick Naughty said:

Elgato would work fine. As would shawdowplay. 

 

Second pc would be the best option. 

Depends on the budget really. The lowest I would go would be a 3rd gen i5/7 and low end board. 

I have a z270 spare.  So its 6/7th gen probably

[Mick Naughty]

15 minutes ago, Nbd508 said:

I have a z270 spare.  So its 6/7th gen probably

Well should be some cheap i5's around. Then get a hd60 pro.

[Nbd508]

10 minutes ago, Mick Naughty said:

Well should be some cheap i5's around. Then get a hd60 pro.

I got the HD60pro already, just trying to figure out which processor to go with.  pretty much locks me into a quad core, even though i was kinda hoping for 8/16 amd

[Mick Naughty]

7 hours ago, Nbd508 said:

I got the HD60pro already, just trying to figure out which processor to go with.  pretty much locks me into a quad core, even though i was kinda hoping for 8/16 amd

At that gen mobo, it shouldn’t matter for streaming.  Unless you want to edit and render. No issues with my old stuff until the 4K card decides to upscale in the elgato software and show how weak my old cards are. Perfectly fine with obs though. 

[Nbd508]

So i threw the Hd60 into the MOBO tonight, and ran it... first off I noticed WASHED out color on the monitor using HDMI passed through the elgato... on top of that I ran a test stream with rainbow 6' it was absolute garbage. total stutter fest. un-bearable .   IDK wtf is going on .



To be more clear. Previously I had two Display port cables to my monitors and it was the SAME picture.  Running the HDMI through my elgato to the monitor after; the ingame looks GRAINY and even less smooth.  No FPS drop in game; but stuttering on stream.

[Mick Naughty]

Don’t do pass through. Just duplicate the image and set up each screen correctly in the nvidia panel. 

[Nbd508]

4 hours ago, Mick Naughty said:

Don’t do pass through. Just duplicate the image and set up each screen correctly in the nvidia panel. 

still trying to figure that out'  it keeps switching my 1/2 monitors

[Mick Naughty]

20 minutes ago, Nbd508 said:

still trying to figure that out'  it keeps switching my 1/2 monitors

Are they the same res? That’s the biggest issue. Make the elgato mirror the primary monitor. Then adjust the refresh rates, not in the resolution tab though. 

 

If you are using more than on monitor on the pc just don’t use the pass through on the elgato, it should pop up as it’s own “monitor” and just duplicate it. 

[Nbd508]

So this is how I've got it set up now .  Montior 1 and monitor 2 are extended displays,

The elgato (hdmi from gpu to hd60pro) it Monitor 3; I mirror 1|3.