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12 minutes ago, Policedriver said:

Ok. now I have some ideas.

 

I thought an fx 8350 WOULD bottleneck an 8gb rx580, but apperently not!

 

However, I do want to occasionally do some CPU focused tasks (3d editing, video/photo editing, recording, streaming)

 

Now, I need to think of SPECIFIC cheap motherboards with either ryzen or i5 capability. Anyone know an EXACT combo that's relatively cheap (I can just buy some rgb strips/fans, rgb ram and motherboards are not necessary... (sorry Linus!!))

I just picked up a fx8350 with two different mobos a couple weeks ago for $50. I took my spare rx470 threw together a second system for upstairs to game on, or for a friend to use to game with me. I installed gta v, far cry 5, fortnite, wrecked:new car game, and two other bs games so it was ready. I first ran the cpu at stock settings, it handled all games a little better then I thaught, considering it's 6 yr old chip and a low end gpu now a days anyways. Gta with everything on high +it maintains a solid 60 fps with maxed settings.... But at 720p. I then over clocked it to 4.6 on the msi board, the north Bridge got redicuulously hot so I added a little 80mm fan and left the OC. The rx 470 I have, XFX stock core is 1256, I bumped this up to 1350 which was the highest core I could get on it ever and managed 10-15 fps around the board. The msi board ended up burning out so I went with the second mobo included, some gigabyte board and set the oc to 4.6 again. Anyways it can just about get a constant 60fps 1080p with over clocking both chips. But as this is a spare pc it got spare and left over paraiphials.... Meaning a 40" 720p TV as a screen and powers it nicely. So with you having a faster 580 and then with a over clock I'd say you'd be fine for 60fps 1080p very high plus in all games 

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Hello!

 

I currently upgraded my pc's graphics card from an asus 750Ti to an rx 580. I did a clean uninstall of old drivers, and installed new ones correctly to my knowledge. Know, and since upgrade, I can not use my pc as from my research in 'task manager', my CPU is running at 99% the whole time (even idle) and my GPU at a normal rate(not certain, but around 20-35% at idle).

 

Does anyone know why this is happening?

 

I just upgraded my GPU (because my old one was struggling with some newer games), but do I need to upgrade CPU? As I think the am3+ socket is outdated as it was before AMD's 'comeback'. In the worst case (most expensive) case situation, I think I would have to upgrade to either a certain ryzen high 5 or low 7 series or even a medium/high i5 8th generation (in my future, I don't think I will ever buy old hardware as seen now...).

 

The reason I don't just want to buy a CPU straight away, as I will need new motherboard, new ram (,maybe cooler?) and *MAYBE* PSU.

 

 

Thank you so much for your time and thoughts on my first post!

 

I'm always gonna follow LTT so yeah, here are my specs:

 

 

 

 

CPU:                          AMD FX-4350

CPU COOLER:          Some arctic cooler...

GPU:                          (new=) Sapphire pulse rx 580 8gb. (old is asus 750Ti 2GB (I don't think it's OC version, mine has one fan.))

Motherboard:             am3+ asus lm5le usb 3 something or other....    *MICRO ATX*

Ram:                          16GB crucial (I think) DDR3 (not sure speed, maybe something like 1600 something...)

PSU:                          CoolerMaster 500w (nothing special)   WILL NEED UPGRADE WITH CPU?

Case:                         Thermaltake versa H15 Micro ATX

 

 

 

Thank you in advance! Thanks!

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Also, when I tried to run a game (Fortnite Battle Royale), it was 1fps and basically unplayable, then crashed...

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So yes, your CPU is a heavy bottleneck. You can upgrade to the fx 8350 as a budget choice, as it's considered the best CPU for that socket, or just upgrade to ryzen and modernize your build. You'll probably be able to keep your cooler.

Since you have some "nothing special" power supply, that should get a refresher. Use the PSU tier list on this forum to decide.

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1 minute ago, fasauceome said:

So yes, your CPU is a heavy bottleneck. You can upgrade to the fx 8350 as a budget choice, as it's considered the best CPU for that socket, or just upgrade to ryzen and modernize your build. You'll probably be able to keep your cooler.

Since you have some "nothing special" power supply, that should get a refresher. Use the PSU tier list on this forum to decide.

Thank you! would an fx8350 bottleneck tho trying to be carefulll....? also, what is that PSU tier list thing? Link? Thank you for quick reply!

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Don't upgrade to an FX 8350, upgrade to Ryzen if you want to stay with AMD. 

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2 minutes ago, LinusTechTipsFanFromDarlo said:

Don't upgrade to an FX 8350, upgrade to Ryzen if you want to stay with AMD. 

Really? Now why would you say that? Personal?

 

Not trying to be rued, just wondering ;) 

 

I do want it to work this upgrade lol

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Really? Now why would you say that? Personal?

The FX 8350 is awful.

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Just now, LinusTechTipsFanFromDarlo said:

The FX 8350 is awful.

? why? and what socket should i get? intel i5 or ryzen?

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Just now, LinusTechTipsFanFromDarlo said:

The FX 8350 is awful.

yeah it's bad but also cheap. Though I do agree, if ryzen is in budget it's way more worth it.

I WILL find your ITX build thread, and I WILL recommend the SIlverstone Sugo SG13B

 

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i7 8086k - EVGA Z370 Classified K - G.Skill Trident Z RGB - WD SN750 - Jedi Order Titan Xp - Hyper 212 Black (with RGB Riing flair) - EVGA G3 650W - dual booting Windows 10 and Linux - Black and green theme, Razer brainwashed me.

Draws 400 watts under max load, for reference.

 

How many watts do I need? ATX 3.0 & PCIe 5.0 spec, PSU misconceptions, protections explained, group reg is bad

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Just now, Policedriver said:

? why? and what socket should i get? intel i5 or ryzen?

8350 is very old. It has its uses as a budget option, but modern budget is on the ryzen side of things.

I WILL find your ITX build thread, and I WILL recommend the SIlverstone Sugo SG13B

 

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i7 8086k - EVGA Z370 Classified K - G.Skill Trident Z RGB - WD SN750 - Jedi Order Titan Xp - Hyper 212 Black (with RGB Riing flair) - EVGA G3 650W - dual booting Windows 10 and Linux - Black and green theme, Razer brainwashed me.

Draws 400 watts under max load, for reference.

 

How many watts do I need? ATX 3.0 & PCIe 5.0 spec, PSU misconceptions, protections explained, group reg is bad

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Just now, fasauceome said:

yeah it's bad but also cheap. Though I do agree, if ryzen is in budget it's way more worth it.

And which exactly would you say? I just want to casual game and maybe occasional game/stream.

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1 minute ago, LinusTechTipsFanFromDarlo said:

The FX 8350 is awful.

If he only has an upgrade budget of around a hundred bucks, an FX 8350 is the best way to go. You'll barely get 8GB of RAM for a hundred bucks, much less a new motherboard and CPU to go with it.

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Just now, Policedriver said:

? why? and what socket should i get? intel i5 or ryzen?

It's outdated (2012) and very,very,very slow compared to even an Intel Pentium Gold 5600 (2C/4T). 

 

http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Pentium-Gold-G5600-vs-AMD-FX-8350/m469126vs1489

 

Like I said before, if you want to stay with AMD then go for Ryzen. 

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2 minutes ago, kelvinhall05 said:

If he only has an upgrade budget of around a hundred bucks, an FX 8350 is the best way to go. You'll barely get 8GB of RAM for a hundred bucks, much less a new motherboard and CPU to go with it.

If he only has a budget of $100 then I'd suggest forgetting about upgrading on his current board and saving up for a new platform. 

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Ok. now I have some ideas.

 

I thought an fx 8350 WOULD bottleneck an 8gb rx580, but apperently not!

 

However, I do want to occasionally do some CPU focused tasks (3d editing, video/photo editing, recording, streaming)

 

Now, I need to think of SPECIFIC cheap motherboards with either ryzen or i5 capability. Anyone know an EXACT combo that's relatively cheap (I can just buy some rgb strips/fans, rgb ram and motherboards are not necessary... (sorry Linus!!))

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1 minute ago, Policedriver said:

Ok. now I have some ideas.

 

I thought an fx 8350 WOULD bottleneck an 8gb rx580, but apperently not!

 

However, I do want to occasionally do some CPU focused tasks (3d editing, video/photo editing, recording, streaming)

 

Now, I need to think of SPECIFIC cheap motherboards with either ryzen or i5 capability. Anyone know an EXACT combo that's relatively cheap (I can just buy some rgb strips/fans, rgb ram and motherboards are not necessary... (sorry Linus!!))

For the workloads you'll be doing I suggest an R5 2600 and 16GB DDR4 3000MHz. 

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1 minute ago, LinusTechTipsFanFromDarlo said:

For the workloads you'll be doing I suggest an R5 2600 and 16GB DDR4 3000MHz. 

ok, processor seems good, ram, maybe slower or less? IK... but maybe in future i can buy another stick(rg buy one single stick now, with expandable slot?)

 

Now, which exact motherboard? I DONT CARE BOUT RGB, currently, i just need cheap fast....

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3 minutes ago, Policedriver said:

maybe slower or less? IK... but maybe in future i can buy another stick(rg buy one single stick now, with expandable slot?)

Get a kit of 2x8GB. 

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Just now, Policedriver said:

Seen some motherboards for around £40? (micro atx)

those will do. They sound like cheap B350 boards, and maybe the used market would work for you. ryzen 5 at minimum is recommended

I WILL find your ITX build thread, and I WILL recommend the SIlverstone Sugo SG13B

 

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i7 8086k - EVGA Z370 Classified K - G.Skill Trident Z RGB - WD SN750 - Jedi Order Titan Xp - Hyper 212 Black (with RGB Riing flair) - EVGA G3 650W - dual booting Windows 10 and Linux - Black and green theme, Razer brainwashed me.

Draws 400 watts under max load, for reference.

 

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Just now, LinusTechTipsFanFromDarlo said:

Get a kit of 2x8GB. 

saving on buying only 8gb of ram is a good choice

I WILL find your ITX build thread, and I WILL recommend the SIlverstone Sugo SG13B

 

Primary PC:

i7 8086k - EVGA Z370 Classified K - G.Skill Trident Z RGB - WD SN750 - Jedi Order Titan Xp - Hyper 212 Black (with RGB Riing flair) - EVGA G3 650W - dual booting Windows 10 and Linux - Black and green theme, Razer brainwashed me.

Draws 400 watts under max load, for reference.

 

How many watts do I need? ATX 3.0 & PCIe 5.0 spec, PSU misconceptions, protections explained, group reg is bad

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So currently, I HAVE  to upgrade cpu, its not just a software error.... I really hate bottlenecking now...

 

(just to confirm)

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Just now, fasauceome said:

saving on buying only 8gb of ram is a good choice

prob in one stick so i can upgrade

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Just now, fasauceome said:

saving on buying only 8gb of ram is a good choice

For the workloads he'll be doing 16GB is the minimum amount I'd recommend. 

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