1080ti or 2080

[Minibeau]

I want to upgrade my graphics card. The only problem i have is that i see performance charts that tell me a 2080 is better for 4K gaming and others that say the 1080ti is better and others tell me they are about the same performance. Can anyone tell me if the 2080 will be worth an extra 200 euro for 4k gaming or if i should just go for a 1080ti with a better cooler?

 

[Crunchy Dragon]

Turing cards love higher resolutions, going by all the benchmarks.

 

The difference between the 1080Ti and 2080 isn't terribly high, it's not like the gap between the 1080Ti and 2080Ti.

I would wait for ray tracing benchmarks personally, and see if/how that impacts performance, especially at higher resolutions like 4K.

[jasonc_01]

Short answer is no. Get a 1080ti. Watch the gamers nexus review. 

[OneJutsuMan]

Wait till the 2080 comes out then buy a 1080ti when all the sales begin

[Minibeau]

Just now, CutieFX said:

Wait till the 2080 comes out then buy a 1080ti when all the sales begin

2080 is already out and prices have dropped to 700/800 euros in my country for a 1080ti

[Minibeau]

5 minutes ago, jasonc_01 said:

Short answer is no. Get a 1080ti. Watch the gamers nexus review. 

any 1080ti's you'd recommend? i'd like to be able to overclock it and have it run cool. I don't really care about the noise since the gpu i have now(MSI GTX 980 gaming 4G) runs on 100% fan speed non stop when i'm gaming because of a custom bios i put on it(makes it run at around 1500 MHz clock with an overclock on top of it)

[OneJutsuMan]

Just now, Minibeau said:

2080 is already out and prices have dropped to 700/800 euros in my country for a 1080ti

Oh, my bad:D in my Country (Germany) the GIGABYTE GeForce RTX 2080 WINDFORCE OC costs 850 euros and the 1080ti only 550euros so i would buy the 1080ti because the performance is almost the same.

[OneJutsuMan]

Just now, Minibeau said:

any 1080ti's you'd recommend? i'd like to be able to overclock it and have it run cool. I don't really care about the noise since the gpu i have now(MSI GTX 980 gaming 4G) runs on 100% fan speed non stop when i'm gaming because of a custom bios i put on it(makes it run at around 1500 MHz clock with an overclock on top of it)

the GIGABYTE GeForce GTX 1080 WINDFORCE OC 8G ? 

[Minibeau]

Just now, CutieFX said:

Oh, my bad:D in my Country (Germany) the GIGABYTE GeForce RTX 2080 WINDFORCE OC costs 850 euros and the 1080ti only 550euros so i would buy the 1080ti because the performance is almost the same.

damn, i'm from the Netherlands and that card costs 880 euro and a 1080ti at minimum 730

[OneJutsuMan]

Just now, Minibeau said:

damn, i'm from the Netherlands and that card costs 880 euro and a 1080ti at minimum 730

maybe you could import it the netherlands arent that far away

[Minibeau]

4 minutes ago, CutieFX said:

maybe you could import it the netherlands arent that far away

i found 

GIGABYTE AORUS GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11 GB for 680 euros. don't know if it is the best but i'll cost me about 100 euros less than most 1080ti's

 

[jasonc_01]

41 minutes ago, Minibeau said:

any 1080ti's you'd recommend? i'd like to be able to overclock it and have it run cool. I don't really care about the noise since the gpu i have now(MSI GTX 980 gaming 4G) runs on 100% fan speed non stop when i'm gaming because of a custom bios i put on it(makes it run at around 1500 MHz clock with an overclock on top of it)

I'm the wrong person to be able to recommend a good 1080ti, I have a reference FE card and I have a custom loop. That being said I would go for a hybrid cooled card, or any card with the reference board design and get the evga hybrid kit or similar. 

[orbitalbuzzsaw]

50 minutes ago, Minibeau said:

any 1080ti's you'd recommend? i'd like to be able to overclock it and have it run cool. I don't really care about the noise since the gpu i have now(MSI GTX 980 gaming 4G) runs on 100% fan speed non stop when i'm gaming because of a custom bios i put on it(makes it run at around 1500 MHz clock with an overclock on top of it)

The STRIX is the best, very quiet and mine OCs to 2000MhZ at least

[OneJutsuMan]

49 minutes ago, Minibeau said:

i found 

GIGABYTE AORUS GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11 GB for 680 euros. don't know if it is the best but i'll cost me about 100 euros less than most 1080ti's

 

try GIGABYTE GeForce GTX 1080 WINDFORCE OC 8G on alternate.de

[Hawkraider]

Human eye cannot see frames above 60fps 

1080 ti  can play any AAA title at 60-80 fps in 1080p

But if you want Ray tracking and 4k gaming go for 2080 ti

I would probably wait for next month for launch of 2070 and then decide

But if it's urgent get a 1080 ti

 

[OneJutsuMan]

3 minutes ago, Hawkraider said:

Human eye cannot see frames above 60fps 

1080 ti  can play any AAA title at 60-80 fps in 1080p

But if you want Ray tracking and 4k gaming go for 2080 ti

I would probably wait for next month for launch of 2070 and then decide

But if it's urgent get a 1080 ti

 

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So many people keep repeating this myth all over the Internet, that I decided it would be a good idea to bust this myth right here, once and for all. So, let's get started.

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First of all, the core statement is a nonsense. There have been many reports from different reaction tests that people can react to visual signals in less than 1 ms - this corresponds to 1000 FPS.

Now, where did this myth about "60 FPS" came from in the first place? Most LCD monitors today, let alone 10 years ago, have refresh rate of 60 Hz. On such monitor, no matter how much FPS your application, such as video game, has, you will see only 60 Hz, and additional frames will be ignored. On such monitor, even if your game has 1000 FPS, you will still essentially see 60 FPS.

Now take an old good CRT monitor. CRT monitors are good for this because their image is fully dynamic, that is every frame is drawn from scratch, while LCD monitors do not effectively draw frames that are not very different from each other, they only draw the difference. In dynamic scenes CRT and LCD monitors are similar in this regard.
Most good CRT monitors used to show 85-120 Hz. When you set your refrest rate on such monitor to 60 Hz, you can clearly see extreme flickering. When you set 85 Hz, flickering becomes bearable, but still noticeable. 120 Hz - flickering is almost gone. The difference between 120 Hz and 240 Hz is still noticeable if you place two monitors close to each other and stare at them attentively, but it is very slim.

Let's return to LCD monitors since that's what most people use today. I want to make a very important statement here that people arguing about FPS often do not fully understand:

How much FPS you can see depends on the scene you watch.

Imagine if the scene is just Windows desktop, without any activity on it. How much FPS do you need? Right, 0.
Now, imagine if a dot moves on your screen at speed of 1 pixel per second. Since the monitor cannot show "half pixels", you don't need more than 1 FPS to see this as perfectly smooth as your display resolution allows.

Imagine now an object that moves from the left edge of your screen to the right. It goes at speed of 200,000 pixels per second, while you have a resolution of 1920x1080. How much FPS do you need to notice this object? Since it shows on your screen for 1080/200,000 = 5.4 ms, you need 1000/5.4=186 FPS to consistently see it on your screen.
What does it all mean? If you use your usual 60 FPS, in about 66% cases you won't even pick a glance at this object. If you use 240 FPS, however, you will see it cross your screen every single time. And, since your eye is theoretically able to see much more FPS than that, you WILL actually see this object.

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So, here is the thing. When you say that you cannot see any difference beyond 60 FPS, first of all make sure that you are actually looking at more than 60 FPS. You cannot see more than 60 FPS on a 60Hz monitor no matter what, since the monitor itself will always show exactly 60 FPS. Then, make sure that you are actually looking at highly dynamical scenes, not just looking at your desktop moving icons around (although between 60 FPS and 120 FPS, I bet, you will see the difference even there). Finally, account for the habit: if you've been using 60 FPS for 10 years and then suddenly receive a 120 Hz monitor, you might not see the difference clearly right away since your eye is used to staring at the old screen. Give it some time, maybe, a day - then revert to the old refresh rate, and you will IMMEDIATELY see a HUGE difference by just moving mouse cursor around. You will see so many frames skipped, you will be shocked that you've never seen them before.

So, how many FPS do we need? Depends on the applications you use, of course. If you are interested only in web browsing and office work, you are unlikely to really need anything beyond even 30 FPS. If you play some slow-paced games like Hearthstone, 60 FPS is fine. If you play all kinds of games, including RPG, FPS, RTS, etc., 120 FPS will benefit you a lot. And if you are a hardcore FPS gamer, the more FPS you have, the better, 240 FPS and beyond will be just perfect.

TL;DR:
- Human's eye can see up to 1000 FPS and, perhaps, above.
- 60Hz monitor will always show 60 FPS, no matter how much FPS your game is able to provide.
- High refresh rates are noticeable only in dynamic scenes; in slow or static scenes you rarely will see any difference beyond 30 FPS.

 

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[sjb655]

11 minutes ago, Hawkraider said:

Human eye cannot see frames above 60fps 

 

You are wrong there

[Crunchy Dragon]

1 hour ago, Minibeau said:

damn, i'm from the Netherlands and that card costs 880 euro and a 1080ti at minimum 730

Asus ROG Strix cards are good. EVGA cards as well.

 

39 minutes ago, CutieFX said:

static scenes you rarely will see any difference beyond 30 FPS.

That stands to reason, if a scene is static, then it's basically an image. Images have no framerate, and an image will not show a difference between 60 and 30fps.

 

A slow scene brings out the difference between 60 and 30 more for me personally.

But let's keep this on-topic.