CPU replace... kinda...

[Karti]

Hello there everyone... i am writing this topic in a hope some of you might help me getting my small "cpu change" problem solved..
Soo i am moving to a different town for my college, and my older brother decided to give me his MSI Trident 3 :

• i5-7400
• GTX 1060 3gb
• 1x8GB DDR4 2400mhz 
• 128gb m.2 intel 600p 
• 1tb hdd from WD

I upgraded it a bit with my previous laptop parts soo here is a list of how does it look now :

• i5-7400
• GTX 1060 3gb
• 2x16GB DDR4 2133mhz 
• 480gb m.2 kingston a1000
• 1tb hdd from WD

Tho i love this new build there is a issue.. for me a bit serious one since i am working as a hobby ( and soon gonna do that as part of a college ) - 3d moddeling aswell 2d textures for previous mention models.
Problem which is a bit pain in the butt for me, is the CPU. Currently i am getting around 10-15% bottleneck over my GPU since my lovely 7th gen i5 just cannot stand my work in 3dsmax and in substance painter - while my previous laptop had the i7 4th gen, but it's gpu was a weak part - and it went down thats why i don't even use it anymore.

Since MSI TRIDENT 3 alowes for a bit of customisation.. i was thinking about replacing my CPU with a i7... i know alot of you might say -> use i7-7700 or 7700k (but tbh i don't really want and need a "K" variant and standard one would work good for me ) since you can get Trident 3 with i7-7700 from start anyway... Well problem for me is a money... and getting even a used i7-7700 here in poland is a pain in the ass... and i don't really think getting a new one could be a good idea considering i got other things to pay for aswell at this moment... 
So i was wondering if i could use something 6th gen... like i7-6700. It has just 3-4% better performance than my i5-7400 but it won't bottleneck my GPU and that would be helpfull as heck... also the price won't be killing me for next 6-8 months

Both i7-7700 and 6700 are using a FCLGA1151 socket which my i5-7400 also is using soo thats should not be a problem..

Do you guys think it would a safe bet to just get that i7-6700 and plugin to my pc?

Thanks for help and sorry for my broken english.. just trying my best without using google translate

 

[wojtepanik]

buy i7 7700 and thats all you can do as for now

[Karti]

Just now, wojtepanik said:

buy i7 7700 and thats all you can do as for now

yea but is it just not possible to plug a i7-6700 to it? as i said getting a 7700 for now is a kinda heavy on my budget soo yea

[MCManiac52]

AFAIK you can use a 6700k in a 7700k motherboard. I wasn't able to find much online but I assume you'd be able to use a 6700k in that machine. I would recommend finding a cheap, used 6700k, and overclocking it, then you'll be getting similar if not better performance than a 7700 for hopefully less money.

[wojtepanik]

i dont know what board you have so maybe you can

[Karti]

1 minute ago, MCManiac52 said:

AFAIK you can use a 6700k in a 7700k motherboard. I wasn't able to find much online but I assume you'd be able to use a 6700k in that machine. I would recommend finding a cheap, used 6700k, and overclocking it, then you'll be getting similar if not better performance than a 7700 for hopefully less money.

thing is i don't really need the powerfull clock s 7700 or 7700k gets
i just need a i7 to stop this massive bottleneck i am getting... thats why i started to wonder about that i7-6700, even the normal one not 6700k cuz the price is really.. well nice i guess

[MCManiac52]

1 minute ago, wojtepanik said:

i dont know what board you have so maybe you can

MSI Trident 3, it's an MSI pre-built. Says it in the post

[MCManiac52]

Just now, Karti said:

thing is i don't really need the powerfull clock s 7700 or 7700k gets
i just need a i7 to stop this massive bottleneck i am getting... thats why i started to wonder about that i7-6700, even the normal one not 6700k cuz the price is really.. well nice i guess

If you're just looking for more cores it might be worth trying to sell the trident 3 and going for an olden gen of CPU. I'm still running a 4790k and it's more than enough for now, 4Ghz boost with 8 threads.

[Karti]

1 minute ago, MCManiac52 said:

If you're just looking for more cores it might be worth trying to sell the trident 3 and going for an olden gen of CPU. I'm still running a 4790k and it's more than enough for now, 4Ghz boost with 8 threads.

more like threads  atm i got only 4 :<

[MCManiac52]

1 minute ago, Karti said:

more like threads  atm i got only 4 :<

sorry yeah that's what i meant. I think trying to get an older i7 might be worth a go if you want the best possible price/performance you can get. A 4770 might even do the job, as long as you can get the parts for it - all of which will be cheap on ebay - you should be pretty set.

[Princess Luna]

Of course you can put an i7 6700 on it.

[Karti]

1 minute ago, MCManiac52 said:

sorry yeah that's what i meant. I think trying to get an older i7 might be worth a go if you want the best possible price/performance you can get. A 4770 might even do the job, as long as you can get the parts for it - all of which will be cheap on ebay - you should be pretty set.

well i don't really see a point of seeling my whole upgraded trident so i guess i will go on for i7-6700 for this build, should work ok.. i guess

[martward]

5 minutes ago, Karti said:

thing is i don't really need the powerfull clock s 7700 or 7700k gets

If you don't need the high clocks, why don't you go for a Xeon E3. They are pretty much locked i7's without an iGPU. Not sure if they are easy to find and for a nice price where you live.

[Karti]

Just now, Princess Cadence said:

Of course you can put an i7 6700 on it.

thank you <3

[MCManiac52]

Just now, martward said:

If you don't need the high clocks, why don't you go for a Xeon E3. They are pretty much locked i7's without an iGPU. Not sure if they are easy to find and for a nice price where you live.

Do those use the same socket/chipset as the consumer chips though? This is in MSI pre-built machine so i'm not sure if a xeon would be supported

[MCManiac52]

2 minutes ago, Karti said:

well i don't really see a point of seeling my whole upgraded trident so i guess i will go on for i7-6700 for this build, should work ok.. i guess

the 6700 will definitely work, if you can get a k skew for cheap, go for it as the overclocking potential will be a bonus, and i've found that the price difference between the two when used is negligible, might be different where you are though

[martward]

1 minute ago, MCManiac52 said:

Do those use the same socket/chipset as the consumer chips though? This is in MSI pre-built machine so i'm not sure if a xeon would be supported

They use the same chipset afaik (I use a 1230v3 on a MSI SLI krait edition z97s, don't ask). However it might depend on the motherboard, does the pre-built use a custom motherboard?

[Karti]

3 minutes ago, MCManiac52 said:

Do those use the same socket/chipset as the consumer chips though? This is in MSI pre-built machine so i'm not sure if a xeon would be supported

technicly if we can get a xeon for a FCLGA1151 it should work.. but SHOULD not sure it could

[Karti]

Just now, martward said:

They use the same chipset afaik (I use a 1230v3 on a MSI SLI krait edition z97s, don't ask). However it might depend on the motherboard, does the pre-built use a custom motherboard?

na, the build is just literaly pre-build msi trident but with different rams and different m2 is used there.. everything else is the same as it was there when my brother bought it.

Tho the cpu is not welded or permament there, thats why i was wondering about changing it instead of getting something totally new

[martward]

Just now, Karti said:

na, the build is just literaly pre-build msi trident but with different rams and different m2 is used there.. everything else is the same as it was there when my brother bought it.

Tho the cpu is not welded or permament there, thats why i was wondering about changing it instead of getting something totally new

If you can find out which mobo it is you should be able to find exactly which CPUs are supported on the product page of the motherboard. Also if it's not custom I don't see why you would get something totally new, you can always migrate stuff to a regular case if you'd like.

[Karti]

1 minute ago, martward said:

If you can find out which mobo it is you should be able to find exactly which CPUs are supported on the product page of the motherboard. Also if it's not custom I don't see why you would get something totally new, you can always migrate stuff to a regular case if you'd like.

it is a MS-B9061 thats all i could get by digging into msinfo or deeper with cmd
sad is if you type that all i could find was specification of msi trident overall.. that only says i can buy it with i5-7400 or i7-7700 thats really all

thats why i got confused why i was searching if i can plug something like 6700 cuz socket wise.. it should work... and since my cpu is not permamently attached...

[MCManiac52]

4 minutes ago, Karti said:

na, the build is just literaly pre-build msi trident but with different rams and different m2 is used there.. everything else is the same as it was there when my brother bought it.

Tho the cpu is not welded or permament there, thats why i was wondering about changing it instead of getting something totally new

 

2 minutes ago, martward said:

If you can find out which mobo it is you should be able to find exactly which CPUs are supported on the product page of the motherboard. Also if it's not custom I don't see why you would get something totally new, you can always migrate stuff to a regular case if you'd like.

Motherboard definitely is custom. The power plug for the pc isn't a regular one and is mixed in with the rest of the IO, It's likely a custom board designed for this pre-built - maybe some of their others. Your best bet might be to ask MSI directly. I'm sure twitter would be fine but live chat might be a good idea