Slow boot when Pressing Power-On button?

[JustEbu]

Hello Lovely LTT Communty again.

I wanted to ask if my boot times are "okay" when i press the "Power-On" Button on my PC. And my Windows 10 is also installed on a Samsung 970 Evo.

Inside Task-Manager it also says "16 Seconds"

I hope someone can help me or tell me everything is alright and i am just overreacting with my system boot.

My Specs are:

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 1700X

CPU Cooler: Corsair H110i 280mm

GPU: Asus Rog Strix GTX 1080 A8G

MoBo: Asus ROG Strix X370-F Gaming

Storages: 1x Samsung 970 Evo 250GB (Windows installed on it), 1x SanDisk SSD PLUS 240GB Sata III, 1x TOSHIBA P300 2TB HDD.

PSU: Corsair RMX750W

Please watch the Video below.

 

 

[Master Disaster]

You're not booting in UEFI mode but fixing it will require a full Windows reinstall.

[JustEbu]

2 minutes ago, Master Disaster said:

You're not booting in UEFI mode but fixing it will require a full Windows reinstall.

So "through" UEFI it would incrase my Boot-up speeds? if so i will do this  

[Speed Weed]

4 minutes ago, Master Disaster said:

You're not booting in UEFI mode but fixing it will require a full Windows reinstall.

You can change LEGACY to UEFI without reinstall Windows. 

[JustEbu]

If I set everything like this I get a screen with something telling me ipv4 and something like that

[Speed Weed]

2 minutes ago, JustEbu said:

If I set everything like this I get a screen with something telling me ipv4 and something like that

UEFI BIOS doesn't need LAUNCH CMS. 

[homeap5]

First of all - you can improve a lot by proper BIOS settings. UEFI has nothing to do with that part of POST.

First of all - disable memory testing every boot, use fast memory boot etc. Different options in different BIOS-es. Then you can turn on something called Fast Boot or whatever is in your BIOS. I must check your motherboard manual for that.

 

Ok, so...

Fast Boot - enabled

Next Boot after power loss - Fast Boot

Launch CSM - Enabled

Boot From Network Devices - Ignore

Boot From Storage Devices - Ignore

Boot From PCI-E Expansion Devices - Legacy only

 

But most important tweaks are somewhere deeper, in OC configuration, memory configuration etc.

Unfortunatelly - this manual is crap. I downloaded it and it has explained only selected options in BIOS. Explained - I mean that I can't even see other options, because they write nothing about them (not even list of options).

[JustEbu]

6 minutes ago, DaPhuc said:

UEFI BIOS doesn't need LAUNCH CMS. 

If I set "Launch CSM" to disabled my windows doesn't boot and I can't choose my m.2 inside the bios.

[Master Disaster]

28 minutes ago, DaPhuc said:

You can change LEGACY to UEFI without reinstall Windows. 

You can't convert an MBR drive to GPT though. UEFI boot requires a GPT formatted drive to work properly.

[JustEbu]

6 minutes ago, homeap5 said:

First of all - you can improve a lot by proper BIOS settings. UEFI has nothing to do with that part of POST.

First of all - disable memory testing every boot, use fast memory boot etc. Different options in different BIOS-es. Then you can turn on something called Fast Boot or whatever is in your BIOS. I must check your motherboard manual for that.

If I only knew how to disable memory testing searched a lot but I think I am dumb to find it... and fast boot is enabled.

[JustEbu]

2 minutes ago, Master Disaster said:

You can't convert an MBR drive to GPT though.

That's what I also tried. Converting from MBR to GPT is sadly not possible for me. Like you said, I must install windows fresh for that.

[homeap5]

Of course you can. It's not so easy, but basically it requires second computer. And after few not so hard operations - it's absolutely possible. I swap Win10 from Legacy to UEFI and even from UEFI to Legacy. You can find manuals everywhere on internet.

 

But it not help with that part of POST anyway.

 

What you are see is unfortunatelly typical for some motherboards, no matter if you have UEFI or Legacy.

In my case it's about 10-15 seconds too (in UEFI mode), but I have MSI with their stupid BIOS with lack of some options I remember from Asus.

You should be able to speed up this part of POST (before you even see logo). Your motherboard testing is memory changes, is everything ok, is your every part stable etc. Some of tests you can disable, some - not.

 

That memory testing should be somewhere deep in memory advanced configuration.

[Speed Weed]

1 minute ago, Master Disaster said:

You can't convert an MBR drive to GPT though.

Yes you can buddy, but the chance of data loss is possibility. I helped one users here to convert LEGACY BIOS to UEFI BIOS by converting his MBR OS drive to GPT OS drive without data loss. 

https://www.thewindowsclub.com/convert-mbr-to-gpt-disk

 

1. Convert MBR to GPT using Diskpart

Backup all your data and then use the DISKPART command.

• Open command prompt and type in DISKPART and press Enter
• Then type in list disk  (Note down the number of the disk that you want to convert to GPT)
• Then type in select disk number of disk
• Finally, type in convert gpt.

 

 

 

[Speed Weed]

3 minutes ago, JustEbu said:

That's what I also tried. Converting from MBR to GPT is sadly not possible for me. Like you said, I must install windows fresh for that.

 

On the 2nd page is when I helped this guy convert MBR drive to GPT drive and that switch his PC BIOS from LEGACY to UEFI. 

[homeap5]

Anyway - problem is not with UEFI boot or Legacy boot. Problem is with BIOS settings in this case.

If I'm wrong - then good for you. But I saw that delays in UEFI mode too.

And Windows works the same in UEFI and Legacy mode in fact, so first maybe check on internet - maybe other people have problem with POST too on this motherboard.

[JustEbu]

9 minutes ago, DaPhuc said:

Yes you can buddy, but the chance of data loss is possibility. I helped one users here to convert LEGACY BIOS to UEFI BIOS by converting his MBR OS drive to GPT OS drive without data loss. 

https://www.thewindowsclub.com/convert-mbr-to-gpt-disk

 

1. Convert MBR to GPT using Diskpart

Backup all your data and then use the DISKPART command.

• Open command prompt and type in DISKPART and press Enter
• Then type in list disk  (Note down the number of the disk that you want to convert to GPT)
• Then type in select disk number of disk
• Finally, type in convert gpt.

 

 

 

Sadly i get this error and it's also in German  

[Speed Weed]

I don't read German, so I can't understand what the hell it says. 

[Master Disaster]

12 minutes ago, homeap5 said:

Of course you can. It's not so easy, but basically it requires second computer. And after few not so hard operations - it's absolutely possible. I swap Win10 from Legacy to UEFI and even from UEFI to Legacy. You can find manuals everywhere on internet.

 

But it not help with that part of POST anyway.

 

What you are see is unfortunatelly typical for some motherboards, no matter if you have UEFI or Legacy.

In my case it's about 10-15 seconds too (in UEFI mode), but I have MSI with their stupid BIOS with lack of some options I remember from Asus.

You should be able to speed up this part of POST (before you even see logo). Your motherboard testing is memory changes, is everything ok, is your every part stable etc. Some of tests you can disable, some - not.

 

That memory testing should be somewhere deep in memory advanced configuration.

 

12 minutes ago, DaPhuc said:

Yes you can buddy, but the chance of data loss is possibility. I helped one users here to convert LEGACY BIOS to UEFI BIOS by converting his MBR OS drive to GPT OS drive without data loss. 

https://www.thewindowsclub.com/convert-mbr-to-gpt-disk

 

1. Convert MBR to GPT using Diskpart

Backup all your data and then use the DISKPART command.

• Open command prompt and type in DISKPART and press Enter
• Then type in list disk  (Note down the number of the disk that you want to convert to GPT)
• Then type in select disk number of disk
• Finally, type in convert gpt.

 

 

 

Jesus just stop giving false and bad advice. It's a boot drive, not a data drive. You CANNOT convert a boot drive as MBR & GPT use totally different boot loader methods.

 

It requires a full reinstall.

[homeap5]

I see it's straight way to destroy everything.

 

Well, if you believe that UEFI fix something, you can just unplug all drives, plug USB with Windows in UEFI mode and check if your computer starts faster.

 

And sorry, it not required full install if you know how to do it. For SURE it's not working like simply conversion made on system that is in use. You need second system to prepare this one. So it's not easy, so it's not possible in this case (for someone without experience).

 

And @Master Disaster - stop giving wrong informations that it's impossible. It's possible, but you can't do it. And I repeat - it's not UEFI fault that this POST takes so long!

[JustEbu]

3 minutes ago, DaPhuc said:

I don't read German, so I can't understand what the hell it says. 

Sorry but this programm called "AIMEI Partition Assistant" costs like 40$ to convert from MBR to GPT... That's a no go for me. Like @Master Disaster said it's not possible without loosing data

[homeap5]

4 minutes ago, JustEbu said:

Sorry but this programm called "AIMEI Partition Assistant" costs like 40$ to convert from MBR to GPT... That's a no go for me. Like @Master Disaster said it's not possible without loosing data

Do you check other forums what people says about POST time of your motherboard like I said?

Maybe you figh with something that is normal.

[Master Disaster]

9 minutes ago, homeap5 said:

I see it's straight way to destroy everything.

 

Well, if you believe that UEFI fix something, you can just unplug all drives, plug USB with Windows in UEFI mode and check if your computer starts faster.

 

And sorry, it not required full install if you know how to do it. For SURE it's not working like simply conversion made on system that is in use. You need second system to prepare this one. So it's not easy, so it's not possible in this case (for someone without experience).

 

And @Master Disaster - stop giving wrong informations that it's impossible. It's possible, but you can't do it. And I repeat - it's not UEFI fault that this POST takes so long!

What? It's possible but you can't do it?

 

Do you understand how Windows actually boots at all? On an MBR system the bootloader is stored on the master boot record, on a GPT system the bootloader is stored on a FAT32 formatted EFI partition.

 

It's IMPOSSIBLE to convert a boot drive from MBR to GPT without formatting it. The fucking MBR bootloader isnt even compatible with an EFI system and even if it was the conversion process destroys the MBR anyway.

 

I'm done arguing with you, you say it's possible yet can't say how. You're wrong.

 

Also I suggest you Google UEFI Fast Boot too.

 

 

[JustEbu]

2 minutes ago, homeap5 said:

Do you check other forums what people says about POST time of your motherboard like I said?

Maybe you figh with something that is normal.

Searched a lot really. But didn't find anything

[Speed Weed]

13 minutes ago, Master Disaster said:

 

Jesus just stop giving false and bad advice. It's a boot drive, not a data drive. You CANNOT convert a boot drive as MBR & GPT use totally different boot loader methods.

 

It requires a full reinstall.

Have you read the full conversation in this thread that I helped this guy? Before I help this guy, his OS drive was on LEGACY. After I helped him, his OS Drive convert to GPT and LEGACY by using the DISKPART commands. There are software that can convert OS drive from MBR to GPT too. Reinstall OS is unnecessary.  I tried it on myself too. I convert my OS SSD from MBR to GPT using Diskpart commands. After I did that, my BIOS automatically switch from LEGACY to UEFI after I turned off LAUNCH CMS. 

 

[homeap5]

11 minutes ago, Master Disaster said:

What? It's possible but you can't do it?

 

Do you understand how Windows actually boots at all? On an MBR system the bootloader is stored on the master boot record, on a GPT system the bootloader is stored on a FAT32 formatted EFI partition.

 

It's IMPOSSIBLE to convert a boot drive from MBR to GPT without formatting it.

 

 

No, YOU can't do it. I can, as I wrote - I converted from Legacy to UEFI and from UEFI to Legacy.

 

There are many tutorials how to do it. There is also very easy way to do it too, but it requires second PC. Or special software. Or whatever method you want.

 

Ok, I still believe that long POST is BIOS problem, not UEFI vs Legacy.

We will see if after conversion / reinstall BOOT time remains the same (black screen especially) and who has right.