HDR not working. Spent 100$ on HDMI cable

[Silliconcrayon]

I'm unable to turn HDR toggle in windows 10 when I do so it turn back to off automatically. The only way I can do that is by lowing hertz to 30. It turns on automatically and I can chose many options for color in Nvidia control panel. So i thought my Hdmi cable is not capable of running that much of data so I bought Belkin high speed 2.1 Cable which can trasnfer 48 GBPS of data and imo it should solve my issue but it didn't. I still for some unknown reason can't turn the toggle button to on with 4K @ 60hertz , resolution doesn't matter in my case only hertz makes the difference only way I can do YCBcr 444 or RBG is to turn hertz to 30 otherwise I do not get any option to chose in Nvidia control panel only one option that is YCbcr420 I still can't get 10 bit color depth of anything like that please help me

MY specs
Sony 55" 4K TV model : x90f
GPU : gtx 1080 with latest drivers
Windows 10
Very high speed belkin "2.1" HDMI cable
ETC ETC

Please somebody find me a solution , btw colors look faded and washed out in HDR on destop and applications when i do 30hertz but looks fine in videos

[wojtepanik]

probably your tv is not supporting this HDR, and you got screwed with your cable :3 

[Sauron]

NEVER spend 100$ on an hdmi cable... digital cables will all perform exactly the same until they break, and when they break they simply won't work anymore regardless of how much you paid for them.

 

Your gtx 1080 doesn't even support hdmi 2.1... it only supports up to hdmi 2.0b, which can't do ycbcr 444 at 4k 60hz. If your TV supports displayport, try using that... otherwise you'll have to live with 30hz or without hdr.

[JoostinOnline]

Return the cable while you still can.

[Arika]

return the cable and never buy anything from Belkin, they are notorious for overcharging for basic cables.

[mikedrewsmy]

35 minutes ago, Silliconcrayon said:

I'm unable to turn HDR toggle in windows 10 when I do so it turn back to off automatically. The only way I can do that is by lowing hertz to 30. It turns on automatically and I can chose many options for color in Nvidia control panel. So i thought my Hdmi cable is not capable of running that much of data so I bought Belkin high speed 2.1 Cable which can trasnfer 48 GBPS of data and imo it should solve my issue but it didn't. I still for some unknown reason can't turn the toggle button to on with 4K @ 60hertz , resolution doesn't matter in my case only hertz makes the difference only way I can do YCBcr 444 or RBG is to turn hertz to 30 otherwise I do not get any option to chose in Nvidia control panel only one option that is YCbcr420 I still can't get 10 bit color depth of anything like that please help me

MY specs
Sony 55" 4K TV model : x90f
GPU : gtx 1080 with latest drivers
Windows 10
Very high speed belkin "2.1" HDMI cable
ETC ETC

Please somebody find me a solution , btw colors look faded and washed out in HDR on destop and applications when i do 30hertz but looks fine in videos

Your GTX 1080 doesn't support HDMI 2.1.

Your TV doesn't have Display Port.

My solution :

 

1. Upgrade the GPU

2. Get a TV/Monitor with Display Port

3. Return the cable and get any other cheaper cables instead. $100 is seriously a ripoff.

[Pasi123]

Why did you buy a $100 HDMI cable? It's not any better than normal cheaper cables.

[ImpulseRez]

HDMI 2.0 can't do 4K 60fps 4:4:4 at 10 bit colour depth. This article here might help clarify why:

http://community.cedia.net/blogs/david-meyer/2017/06/22/4k-60-444-hdr

 

Return the cable while you still can ($100 for an HDMI cable is absolutely absurd), get a perfectly fine <$10 one (e.g. Amazon Basics, monoprice), and make the choice for your TV of what you want to sacrifice (chroma subsampling? 10 bit? etc). I'd recommend dropping down to 4:2:2 from 4:4:4 as you're unlikely to be able to see the difference at TV viewing distance.

 

 

[Silliconcrayon]

After reading comments I'm so F'ed ...I never thought of this. I was assuming gtx 1080 is the most mordern thing and can accept Hdmi 2.1 Never once did o thought of this possibility. The extra cost for cable is for imports and heavy heavy custom duty and taxes the cable is still pretty much expensive nearly about 39 $ ..DAm son I'm so f'ed can't even return it ..bought it overseas :'(
now my question my friends is what if I buy a hdmi to DP covertor will that help me get a HDR ?? because my TV doesn't support DP ..dam freak ..am so screwed :'( ... I've spent so much ..what a fool ..thank you guys btw will that converter thing work

[Silliconcrayon]

I'm so screwed please tell me if I can get HDMI to DP 1.4 converter will that help me solve all the issues ? and max what my GPU support is 2.0b port so doesn't that mean this 2.1 cable should work as 2.0b atleast and for that matter I should be able to get at least HDR at 60 hertz 8 bits and stuffs ?? what is this cable working as .. the max speed of this cable ?? would be ?? somebody please explain .. btw thank you to everyone  ...I feel incredibly sorry for myself .. returning the cable is not an option and I had saved money for months to buy this .. dam am so dead

PS: suggest converter type and model or brand ..any technical stuff that i should know before making another stupid move. Sorry for bad English too  

[Silliconcrayon]

https://www.amazon.in/Cables-Kart-Display-HDMI-Converter/dp/B01LNJ8VXE?tag=googinhydr18418-21&tag=googinkenshoo-21&ascsubtag=a3632d06-4d2f-4cde-af46-b3c5e56eea09

 

How about this port should this work without compromising the quality of my Hdmi speed ?? Sorry for bothering .. love to all .. and hate to me haha ... I've never thought I would be this dumb. Now Help me my friends, anyone is WAY above my IQ ... .. again love to all and HELP your retarded friend here

[Silliconcrayon]

Good news guys. I've talked to the company and they are ready to refund me the total amount including the taxes and free shipping so WoW.. . My last question should I buy 2.0a or 2.0b cable ..will it work with all 12 BPC depth and RBC full rage and 32 bits ? or buy a Hdmi to DP converter that can do 4K at 60 hertz because I already have a 2.0 Cable ..what is the best option now ?

[ImpulseRez]

HDMI 2.0 is a standard. Cables are not 'HDMI 2.0' or 'HDMI 1.4' or whatever. Just get an Amazon basics HDMI cable or whatever.

 

A converter won't work... so don't bother.

 

Just reduce the chroma subsampling (drop to 4:2:2) and you can still get 10bit 4K 60fps. I bet you won't tell the difference if you're not very close to the screen.

[Silliconcrayon]

1 minute ago, ImpulseRez said:

HDMI 2.0 is a standard. Cables are not 'HDMI 2.0' or 'HDMI 1.4' or whatever. Just get an Amazon basics HDMI cable or whatever.

 

A converter won't work... so don't bother.

 

Just reduce the chroma subsampling (drop to 4:2:2) and you can still get 10bit 4K 60fps. I bet you won't tell the difference if you're not very close to the screen.

The problem is I've had that 2.0 and still couldn't chose between color format and anything above 8 bits BPC ..even with this 2.1 cable I'm unable to do so unless I do very low on resolutions

[ImpulseRez]

10 minutes ago, Silliconcrayon said:

The problem is I've had that 2.0 and still couldn't chose between color format and anything above 8 bits BPC ..even with this 2.1 cable I'm unable to do so unless I do very low on resolutions

Ah yes, my bad. I mean 4:2:0. That's the highest supported at 10bit 4K 60fps on HDMI 2.0 (nothing to do with the cable, all to do with the standard. Any ~$10 cable will support the required bandwidth).

See the table in this link for what your choices are:

https://www.hdmi.org/manufacturer/hdmi_2_0/hdmi_2_0_faq.aspx#146

 

Your TV is also HDMI 2.0 I think, so that's why displayport adapters wouldn't work also.

 

I'd still recommend going to 4:2:0 subsampling to maintain the other goodness if you aren't prepared to drop any of the other things. I still bet you won't notice...

[Silliconcrayon]

2 minutes ago, ImpulseRez said:

Ah yes, my bad. I mean 4:2:0. That's the highest supported at 10bit 4K 60fps on HDMI 2.0 (nothing to do with the cable, all to do with the standard. Any ~$10 cable will support the required bandwidth).

See the table in this link for what your choices are:

https://www.hdmi.org/manufacturer/hdmi_2_0/hdmi_2_0_faq.aspx#146

 

Your TV is also HDMI 2.0 I think, so that's why displayport adapters wouldn't work also.

 

I'd still recommend going to 4:2:0 subsampling to maintain the other goodness

Thank you so much cleared so many questions here. I was so baffled and confused and couldn't find the solution anywhere else either as to what went wrong ..now I see my GPU isn't capable. And btw so I should not even bother with 2.0b and stuff ..all I need is 18gbps transfer data speed right ? or I heard 2.0 does only 10bgps .. or am wrong here too. So much technical stuff these days .. woww

[ImpulseRez]

1 minute ago, Silliconcrayon said:

Thank you so much cleared so many questions here. I was so baffled and confused and couldn't find the solution anywhere else either as to what went wrong ..now I see my GPU isn't capable. And btw so I should not even bother with 2.0b and stuff ..all I need is 18gbps transfer data speed right ? or I heard 2.0 does only 10bgps .. or am wrong here too. So much technical stuff these days .. woww

Yeah pretty much, and pretty much any HDMI cable nowadays will work fine with HDMI 2.0. Just get one that says 'HDMI High Speed', no need to spend $100! (My last HDMI cable cost ~$5 and works perfectly with my HDMI 2.0 TV).

 

The regular old HDMI cables were limited to 10gbps.. so as I said, just get one marketed as 'high speed'. Spend $10 if you want the peace of mind.

 

And it's a combination of your GPU and your TV not being capable (but this goes for most TVs). TVs are normally designed for TV/Movies, which would be 24fps 4K 10bit in most cases for UHD bluray for example (and movies also don't need 4:4:4 generally, as it's usually only noticeable on tiny text), so there's not much of a demand for making them run at 4:4:4 4K 60fps 10bit.

 

Some TVs are capable nowadays, but most are not. Basically, don't worry about it

[Silliconcrayon]

Please clear one more doubt you implanted in me. How do you know My tv which is Sony x90f release date is 2018 doesn't support hdmi 2.1 ? I can't find that information anywhere in specs ..what is the max it can support 2.0b ? 2.0 ? how do I know that ? and if so why those thick head told me it's an HDR 4K @ 60 hertz 12 bits and stuffs ..how do i get that max stuffs. ?

[ImpulseRez]

1 minute ago, Silliconcrayon said:

Please clear one more doubt you implanted in me. How do you know My tv which is Sony x90f release date is 2018 doesn't support hdmi 2.1 ? I can't find that information anywhere in specs ..what is the max it can support 2.0b ? 2.0 ? how do I know that ? and if so why those thick head told me it's an HDR 4K @ 60 hertz 12 bits and stuffs ..how do i get that max stuffs. ?

I don't know (I can't find it online.. probably is in your manual somewhere), I'm just guessing because it's still rare in 2018 TVs.

 

And as shown in the HDMI 2.0 spec table I linked previously, you can do HDR 4K 60Hz 12 bit, but at reduced chroma levels (something most consumers don't care about... and honestly it's not super noticeable for most applications, especially for a TV)

[Silliconcrayon]

Thank you so much brother. I'm marking it as solved thread now. I've spent so much reading about it and stuff still couldn't figure out ... THANK YOU for your time. I'm buying a dam cheap 2.0 and returning this shit as soon as possible. I don't understand tho why this 2.1 wouldn't work as 2.0 at least so that I can do HDR @ 60 hertz for the time I have this cable with me. Doesn't matter anymore I guess I'm getting rid of this shit .. saved me so much time and money . 100 $ richer today <3 ..thank you again .. God bless you all guys enjoy \m/ 

[Sauron]

14 minutes ago, ImpulseRez said:

something most consumers don't care about... and honestly it's not super noticeable for most applications, especially for a TV

While that's true, I find it a little sleazy of them to market it as HDR when it doesn't really fit the spec. Not that they're the only ones to do it.

[TechyBen]

Quote

• Yes (Up to 3840x2160/60p 10bit)

 

Manufatures website.

 

If they can get your cash, they will. Did you specifically ask for that feature when buying? Then don't expect them to have it... and even if they replied "yes", did the sales assistant ask Sony. IIRC not many panels actually do 12 bit, or the processor is more expensive (See Linus Reviews a little while back on PC monitors being really expensive for the 12 bit versions).

 

(From my experience, asking the national Sales Manager OF Sony, Samsung or Panasonic just got sales spiel answers... so never ever trust sales people. ).

 

PS, oh, they will market anything as ANYTHING now. I see 100% sugar sweets as "healthy, fat free!" and 100% fat treats (yogurt etc) as "healthy, sugar free!".

[Silliconcrayon]

3 minutes ago, TechyBen said:

Manufatures website.

 

If they can get your cash, they will. Did you specifically ask for that feature when buying? Then don't expect them to have it... and even if they replied "yes", did the sales assistant ask Sony.

 

(From my experience, asking the national Sales Manager OF Sony, Samsung or Panasonic just got sales spiel answers... so never ever trust sales people. ).

Yes I've asked them and more to that I know for a fact Tv is HDR capable for 12 bits whatever that shit is ... I'm confused here now even tho I have cable that is 2.1 and is not support by my GPU shouldn't it work as atleast 2.0 cable and if it does then why I'm still unable to do HDR @ 60 hertz at 4K ?? Why am still restricted to 30hertz ?? 8 BPC and YCBcr 420 while in theory i should get 10 bit and all doesn't matter to me anymor eI just want 60 hertz hdr and 4K that's all ... so why not ???

[ImpulseRez]

5 minutes ago, TechyBen said:

Manufatures website.

 

 

Yeah, never usually tell you whether that's at 4:4:4 or 4:2:0 or what... technically it's sneaky I think, but generally people won't notice/care which I guess is why they can get away with it..

[Silliconcrayon]

OK GUYS i'VE SOLVED THE ISSUE. WOWWWWWW .. man . it' snot about 2.1 2.0 at all .. shit man .. now I use 2.1 12 bits YC all sort of things highest setting ..with this cable there was a hidden setting of enabling enhanced HDMI in sony TV .. omg .. WOOWWW ... not am gonna return this shit and buy some cheap cable .. and woow hoo babyyyy ... all solved it wasn't at all about cable .. hidden setting if anyone else has this problem and using a TV please check all the setting .. for me only HDMI port 2, 3 can enable hdmi ..and there was an option to turn on enhanced hdmi things. now I can chose the highest setting without any problems and enjoy awesome HDR on this awesome TV woooooooooo . hit the jackpot ... again thank you everyone who has helped me through the technical aspects. WOOOOOOOooooo haha thanksss WOOooo

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