Question about AMD/Intel CPUs.

[deathjester]

 

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Apparently everyone in the tech industry except logan, and Linus. Also keep in mind that It is more appropriate to compare the i5 to the 8350 since they are comparable in price. I only mentioned the i7 because cases do exist where AMD beats it.

 

 

Sorry, I made an i7 comparison and derailed him.

 

What multiplayer game did Linus test there?  I mean really dude? Single player FPS games??? What has gotten more complicated for the CPU since Starsiege Tribes? We had freakin jetpacks back then. All they added to BF4 was a dumb building blowing up. Starsiege Tribes made BF4 look like a joke and ran on laughable hardware with tons of players and better netcode on dialup .

 

I like Linus more then the other internet personalities, but his test proved nothing as far as a cpu bound game. How about having Linus checking some of the most popular PC games in the world that aren't console ports and that have more players actually playing them? He checked ONE cpu bound game (star craft 2) and it was not a multiplayer test where FPS will drop substantially. The AMD got KILLED by the older gen I5 (ivy). 

 

You will see a thread like this made every day in the WoW forum. My AMD sucks at WoW, blah blah. That is due to poor FPU. Other people saying what is TRUE. An i3 Haswell will beat a 8350 in these games.

http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/6533624569

http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/1429249-AMD-FX-8350-Vishera-on-WoW?p=24516956

 

Guild Wars 2?

 

My AMD sucks. What's wrong? The prophet LOGAN told me this was best chip ever!

https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/support/tech/Low-FPS-AMD-FX-8350-Radeon-7870

https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/support/tech/Any-AMD-FX-8350-users-out-there

 

You act like I am making this up. I have friends who have the 8350. They HATE it , because they can't play many of the MULTIPLAYER games they want to play without major slowdowns and Guild Wars 2 is simply unplayable in pvp. If you think WoW and Guild Wars 2 are redoing their engine any time soon? Good luck with that. 

 

Just because you don't play multiplayer games now, or use a emulator etc? Doesn't mean you will always like single player console ports. The I5 is simply a better gaming chip. I don't know how anyone could argue that it isn't.  I would love to see a future with perfect optimization and companies spending millions to redo game engines out of their goodness of their hearts to make my I7 kick even more @$#. I would also love to see mantle take off.

 

Will it? In a few years? Maybe. Do you want to wait those few years with a chip that can't do well in many games? That is up to you. There is no way I would buy a AMD chip other then a 6300fx though and that only on a budget. It would be for next gen console ports only and it would be damn near a STEAL at the price/perfromance in those games. You are basically building a PS4 that can do other stuff the PS4 can't. It makes a lot of sense, can get by on a cheap power supply, and a cheap motherboard. The 8350? Makes no sense to me from a gaming perspective. None. Playing one broken multiplayer game well? Means nothing to me.

[Recon-UK]

What multiplayer game did Linus test there?  I mean really dude? Single player FPS games??? What has gotten more complicated for the CPU since Starsiege Tribes? We had freakin jetpacks back then. All they added to BF4 was a dumb building blowing up. Starsiege Tribes made BF4 look like a joke and ran on laughable hardware with tons of players and better netcode on dialup .

 

I like Linus more then the other internet personalities, but his test proved nothing as far as a cpu bound game. How about having Linus checking some of the most popular PC games in the world that aren't console ports and that have more players actually playing them? He checked ONE cpu bound game (star craft 2) and it was not a multiplayer test where FPS will drop substantially. The AMD got KILLED by the older gen I5 (ivy). 

 

You will see a thread like this made every day in the WoW forum. My AMD sucks at WoW, blah blah. That is due to poor FPU. Other people saying what is TRUE. An i3 Haswell will beat a 8350 in these games.

http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/6533624569

http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/1429249-AMD-FX-8350-Vishera-on-WoW?p=24516956

 

Guild Wars 2?

 

My AMD sucks. What's wrong? The prophet LOGAN told me this was best chip ever!

https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/support/tech/Low-FPS-AMD-FX-8350-Radeon-7870

https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/support/tech/Any-AMD-FX-8350-users-out-there

 

You act like I am making this up. I have friends who have the 8350. They HATE it , because they can't play many of the MULTIPLAYER games they want to play without major slowdowns and Guild Wars 2 is simply unplayable in pvp. If you think WoW and Guild Wars 2 are redoing their engine any time soon? Good luck with that. 

 

Just because you don't play multiplayer games now, or use a emulator etc? Doesn't mean you will always like single player console ports. The I5 is simply a better gaming chip. I don't know how anyone could argue that it isn't.  I would love to see a future with perfect optimization and companies spending millions to redo game engines out of their goodness of their hearts to make my I7 kick even more @$#. I would also love to see mantle take off.

 

Will it? In a few years? Maybe. Do you want to wait those few years with a chip that can't do well in many games? That is up to you. There is no way I would buy a AMD chip other then a 6300fx though and that only on a budget. It would be for next gen console ports only and it would be damn near a STEAL at the price/perfromance in those games. You are basically building a PS4 that can do other stuff the PS4 can't. It makes a lot of sense, can get by on a cheap power supply, and a cheap motherboard. The 8350? Makes no sense to me from a gaming perspective. None. Playing one broken multiplayer game well? Means nothing to me.

Not sure why you are comparing Vishera to Ivy or Haswell, it can barely keep up with Sandy.

 

8150 was the major failure, but Vishera worked on some of the problems, only reason i went intel was due to the downright sad Bulldozer chip being pathetically bad, and way overpriced, even above i5 prices and close to the 2600k.

[Flojer0]

 

Okay, so lets give you that it is better in MMO's. But you can't universally say that it is a better gaming chip when it only makes a difference in one genre. For the majority of the games that the majority of people will be playing on new hardware AMDs chips still get the job done perfectly fine. Therefore they are good gaming chips. If what you do doesn't fit their hardware then you don't have to buy it. But if it can run on it then there are times when it can save you money.

[deathjester]

Okay, so lets give you that it is better in MMO's. But you can't universally say that it is a better gaming chip when it only makes a difference in one genre. For the majority of the games that the majority of people will be playing on new hardware AMDs chips still get the job done perfectly fine. Therefore they are good gaming chips. If what you do doesn't fit their hardware then you don't have to buy it. But if it can run on it then there are times when it can save you money.

 

The majority of games?

 

The I5 will be faster in League of Legends since it's 2 core. Faster in RTS which is gigantic in the gaming world. Faster in MMO's.  There are more people playing those games then dumb console ports that you play once and never play again for a few years. Hell the old FPS games are played more then BF4 and most run better on an I5 then a 8350.

 

AMD matches an Intel I5 in single player console ports and Planetside 2 and BF4 and loses to the I7 in both. 

 

Again I don't see your point here. Why on earth would you pick one chip that plays many games poorly, uses twice the power, and can only match an I5 in games that are GPU bound where OLD cpu's are fine if they are the same price? In the U.S. I have shown that is is CHEAPER to buy an I5 then a 8350 and that isn't even including a better PSU for the 8350 to OC it. 

 

Want to support AMD? I think they are OK, seeing that coin miners buy their GPU's faster then they can stock them. I waited 2 months to buy a 280x and finally gave up. Why screw yourself out of MANY games as far as performance? Are you a masochist or something?

 

In the words of Linus when talking about noctua fans...if you want an inferior gaming chip "go buy an Xbox". I mean if he can say something like that about sound (when most of us probably game on headphones)? I can to. The I5 is not a complete gaming chip. It is a budget rendering chip. If you don't render? I don't see why you would buy one. If you do render? Buy a I7. The power usage alone will cost you less in the long run and it crushes the 8350 in rendering. 

 

If you live in a country where the Intel is overpriced? Sure buy the AMD. Sorry! It isn't my fault that you are getting screwed there. Don't try to push the 8350 as a total gaming solution though, because it isn't. If I wanted a 8350 I would buy a I7-920 and board for 100 bucks off craigslist and OC it to 4ghz. It would be just as good. Why bother overclocking it? It has the same bad FPU and can't play the games that require a Sandy or up to play well, so hell with it. I will just play 8 thread games with it and tear it up. 

 

Why would I bother OC a 8350 to 5ghz when it still can't run a 25 man raid in WoW well, or run Guild Wars 2 well? All I am doing is getting a couple FPS that is just as crappy and getting a bigger power bill. Hooray using twice the power I can almost match a stock I7 at rendering. MINDBLOWING PERFORMANCE. If mantle takes hold? Even better! The I7-920 will be good to go at STOCK, since it has the same fpu as the 8350 that can run a 290x in mantle at 2ghz. 100 bucks and maxing mantle for 100 bucks! IF mantle ever takes over and IF all games actually use 8 cores. IF IF IF. That is AMD since Sandy came out, which they still haven't matched with a clock 600 mhz HIGHER using more power...

 

Fanboy nope. AMD CPU's just sucks and has since the moment Sandy Bridge came out. They have a niche. Cheap windows (non hackintosh) rendering machines and budget next gen on a 6300fx chip. Everything else? They suck.Guess what? Diamond video cards suck to. Why? Cus they suck. Single fan coolers on video cards are stupid. It is not because I am a Asus/Gigabyte fanboy. Biostar motherboards? Also suck. My Detroit Lions? They will always suck. 

[FellTheSky]

on starcraft and wow amd cpus perform like an i3. 

 

Thats why. If all the games use 8 cores:

 

A- Amd cpus would be more expensive

B- Intel cpus would be cheaper

C- a little bit of both  

[deathjester]

on starcraft and wow amd cpus perform like an i3. 

 

Thats why. If all the games use 8 cores:

 

A- Amd cpus would be more expensive

B- Intel cpus would be cheaper

C- a little bit of both  

 

Actually they get beat by I3's...which is freakin pathetic. 3 core game and they get beat by a dual core with hyperthreading. AMD ftw...

[WoodenMarker]

2. easier naming scheme.  This is very important, i did not understand the AMD naming schemes when i first got into hardware so i wanted intel and nvidia in my build, nothing else. But now when i have learned much more about hardware that is no longer the case.

You are right, they are when you think about it that way. However, from a consumer perspective I don't understand why anyone would pay more for an Intel processor that has an AMD counterpart that performs very similarly that is much cheaper. Especially PC enthusiasts.

From the normal user's perspective, it's a lot easier to remember that from the i3, i5, and i7 lineup that the i7 is the best. Remembering that the 8350 is a nice 8 core that does well for general gaming is a bit more difficult to grasp.

Also, there's comfort is thinking you're more safe going with the more expensive (premium) choice.

Fine, then tell me this. Why are you the only one on here telling me that the higher price is totally justified,

Where did he say that the higher price is justified?

What multiplayer game did Linus test there?  I mean really dude? Single player FPS games??? What has gotten more complicated for the CPU since Starsiege Tribes? We had freakin jetpacks back then. All they added to BF4 was a dumb building blowing up. Starsiege Tribes made BF4 look like a joke and ran on laughable hardware with tons of players and better netcode on dialup .

 

I like Linus more then the other internet personalities, but his test proved nothing as far as a cpu bound game. How about having Linus checking some of the most popular PC games in the world that aren't console ports and that have more players actually playing them? He checked ONE cpu bound game (star craft 2) and it was not a multiplayer test where FPS will drop substantially. The AMD got KILLED by the older gen I5 (ivy). 

The issue with multiplayer games is that they can be hard to make consistent repeated tests.

Why would I bother OC a 8350 to 5ghz when it still can't run a 25 man raid in WoW well,

Running a 25 man raid in WoW ain't exactly the smoothest experience even with an oc'ed i7.

Actually they get beat by I3's...which is freakin pathetic. 3 core game and they get beat by a dual core with hyperthreading. AMD ftw...

I would like to see the source of this.