Question about AMD/Intel CPUs.

[deathjester]

Close, @deathjester hit on it. The bulldozer architecture had about half of the ipc (instructions per clock) performance of sandy bridge (think i5-2500k/i-2700k). So the only software that took advantage of all the cores stood a chance at approaching the performance of a 2600k, or even beating the 2500k. Then recall that when it launched the 2500k was $220 here in the USA and the FX-8150 launched at around $260. AMD has improved their per core performance but you are still looking at around half the ipc compared to Intel. If as a developer you can make your software use eight cores effectively then a stock FX-8350 will edge past a stock i7-4770k. But most software is very far from even using four cores right. Though for most people here games are the most difficult thing to run and many people, including Linus have shown that there is negligible performance difference between the two. Sometimes even if the numbers tell a different story it doesn't really matter.

 

An 8350 will never beat a I7 in an 8 thread game. Don't be silly. The AMD Mantle Oxide demo showed a guy saying maybe and "he thinks". He had nothing to back it up. This was all marketing, like John Carmack saying mantle was worthless. Both statements were a joke. There isn't a cpu test on Aida 64 that my 4770k doesn't blow away a 8350, and the 8350 doesn't come close in 8 thread rendering either.

 

Here is an 8 core game. A stock I7 beats a 5ghz 8350.Do not get me wrong. A 8320 at like 4.4 ghz or up on a decent 990fx board is a fantastic buy if you only like single player games and 8 thread shooters.

 

http://gamegpu.ru/images/remote/http--www.gamegpu.ru-images-stories-Test_GPU-Action-Battlefield_4_China_Rising_-test-bf_4_proz.jpg

 

It is a very POOR choice though if you like MMO's and RTS games. By the time this changes? You might be upgrading your computer anyways. Also a I5 never loses to a 8350 in ANY game. When OC in a 8 thread game they are basically the same. In 4 core and under games the I5 annihilates the 8350. The oxide demo showed that a 8350 could be clocked at 2ghz and not bottleneck a r290x. This means an I5 would be overkill at stock. Mantle barely uses the cpu. It is a low level API where a I7-920 at stock would be overkill. All these chips will kill mantle. The problem? Mantle games are a year away and there are like 5 of them, and most of them are from a company who makes broken games atm, and these games will be running on the same game engine.

 

I want to see Mantle succeed. I am also a realist and know that MS will try to kill it, because Direct X forced upgrades is their entire profit margin in the gaming industry with new versions of windows. Witcher 3? Will not be mantle. That is a huge title.

[Oshino Shinobu]

Then what is this deathjester guy trying to tell me? If it isn't justified then what is he arguing for?

I don't know. You'll have to ask him that.

[Flojer0]

FPS isn't fanboyism. I have owned AMD in the past, I would have went with a 280x over my 770 if they weren't 100 dollars more due to coin miners. AMD simply sucks due to FPU on MMO's and RTS games and they are all not 8 thread games.

 

Go check the Guild wars 2 forum or WoW forum or Rome Total War forum. People are TICKED OFF about buying AMD. 

 

Many popular games are not 8 thread. Planetside 2 and BF4 (8 thread titles) are the only MULTIPLAYER games where a 8350 can = an I5. 

 

Logan from Tek Syndicate manipulated the weak minded by showing single player GPU bound FPS titles that require jack from the CPU. You could run the same test on the Intel or AMD and get different scores every time, because it is GPU bound. 

 

If you do not play MMO's or RTS? Then AMD is fine. If you do? Don't expect miracles out of a chip that scores 13000 in a FPU test (cpu bound game this matters) compared to a chip that scores near 30,000. 

 

AMD is older tech. It is fine in a 8 thread game and blows in 4 core games that aren't GPU bound.  An I3 is better then a 8350 is Guildwars 2 or WoW, which is downright pathetic...

You are mashing together CPU bound with Single threaded performance bound. Those are two separate things. True, most games don't spread well across multiple cores. But the majority of games that benefit from Intel are also leaving power on the table on both platforms. I've NEVER seen a game use more than %30 of my CPU, except beamNG. In that case I needed like 6 cars to pull my machine below 40FPS. And I wouldn't be suprised it a good AMD chip would do similarly.

[Oshino Shinobu]

Then why the hell would anyone ever pay for it?

 

EDIT: I understand they need to profit but it just seems kind of scumbaggy to me to charge that much more for the same performance.

All companies are scumbags if you think that way. It's just how business works.

[delet my acc pls]

So, they charge higher because they can... because people will still buy it due to their great reputation even though they perform the same?. Then why do people who are experienced with computers and such, like many on this site, who know better still buy it? 

The best AMD have got is FX 9570 which is a overclocked 8350.

the i5 4670k is as said above the 8350 counterpart.

Intel have 4770k and the "Extreme" which is better than all the FX proccesors (Except in a few tasks)

Also have you heard of fanboys? Intel gain a lot of fanboys because:

 

1. Lots of people are teaching newbies that intel is far superior to AMD

 

2. easier naming scheme.  This is very important, i did not understand the AMD naming schemes when i first got into hardware so i wanted intel and nvidia in my build, nothing else. But now when i have learned much more about hardware that is no longer the case.

 

3. intel having less failures than AMD have turned into a rumor that AMD chips have very high DOA rates and breaks easy.

[mandrigald]

All companies are scumbags if you think that way. It's just how business works.

You are right, they are when you think about it that way. However, from a consumer perspective I don't understand why anyone would pay more for an Intel processor that has an AMD counterpart that performs very similarly that is much cheaper. Especially PC enthusiasts.

[deathjester]

What if somebody doesn't play MMOs though? Lots of people dont. Unless you are a DEDICATED MMO player I don't see the justification in paying so much more just to see a performance boost in ONE genre of game.

 

I always recommend an AMD for people that don't play MMO's RTS or who want to do cool things like emulate Nintendo games at 1080p on Dolphin Emulator. Many of my friends have them and they could care less about those genres. All they do is play BF4.

 

Actually it is 3 genres of games and 4 if you add emulation. Flight simulators? You need a overclocked Sandy-Haswell to play Flight Simulator X. Just because you play console ports? Doesn't mean that the rest of the world plays console ports.

 

See the top ten games here?

 

http://www.xfire.com/games

 

The I5 gets double the fps in some of those games. Do you see BF4 there? Nope, cus the game is broken. You are trying to force the games you play on the PC community as a whole to pump up AMD. Fanboyism has nothing to do with it. There are 2 games on that list that a AMD can't even play at acceptable frames in raiding and pvp. 

 

As a complete gaming chip? The 8350 sucks compared to an I5. It isn't even close. As a render/certain gaming chip? The 8350 is freakin fantastic depending on where you live (price). There is no way I would buy anything over a 6300fx and a cheap mb on an extreme budget for gaming in the U.S. The 4770k can be had for the same price when on sale when PSU is taken into consideration.

 

My 4770k/chip were 280 bucks. My GPU and CPu are OC on a 50 dollar cx600m. Good luck trying to get a OC to 5ghz on a 600w BUDGET LINE power supply with a 280x/770 on a 8350, or even running the thing at stock. 

[Flojer0]

An 8350 will never beat a I7 in an 8 thread game. Don't be silly.

There is much more to a computer than just games.

Here is a case of the FX-8350 beating a 3770K in a real world program. And if you look at the rest of the benchmarks that were performed on anandtech you will see that it does a very good job of trading blows with an i5.

 

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6396/the-vishera-review-amd-fx8350-fx8320-fx6300-and-fx4300-tested

[mandrigald]

I always recommend an AMD for people that don't play MMO's RTS or who want to do cool things like emulate Nintendo games at 1080p on Dolphin Emulator. Many of my friends have them and they could care less about those genres. All they do is play BF4.

 

Actually it is 3 genres of games and 4 if you add emulation. Flight simulators? You need a overclocked Sandy-Haswell to play Flight Simulator X. Just because you play console ports? Doesn't mean that the rest of the world plays console ports.

 

See the top ten games here?

 

http://www.xfire.com/games

 

The I5 gets double the fps in some of those games. Do you see BF4 there? Nope, cus the game is broken. You are trying to force the games you play on the PC community as a whole to pump up AMD. Fanboyism has nothing to do with it. There are 2 games on that list that a AMD can't even play at acceptable frames in raiding and pvp. 

 

As a complete gaming chip? The 8350 sucks compared to an I5. It isn't even close. As a render/certain gaming chip? The 8350 is freakin fantastic depending on where you live (price). There is no way I would buy anything over a 6300fx and a cheap mb on an extreme budget for gaming in the U.S. The 4770k can be had for the same price when on sale when PSU is taken into consideration.

 

My 4770k/chip were 280 bucks. My GPU and CPu are OC on a 50 dollar cx600m. Good luck trying to get a OC to 5ghz on a 600w BUDGET LINE power supply with a 280x/770 on a 8350, or even running the thing at stock. 

Fine, then tell me this. Why are you the only one on here telling me that the higher price is totally justified, and that the price is completely relative to the performance when it comes to an i5? Everyone else has been saying that while you will often see better performance from an i5, the performance increase isn't big enough to justify the higher price. 

[deathjester]

You are right, they are when you think about it that way. However, from a consumer perspective I don't understand why anyone would pay more for an Intel processor that has an AMD counterpart that performs very similarly that is much cheaper. Especially PC enthusiasts.

 

Exactly. I hate AMD because they are just making older chips with crap FPU and using deceptive people like Logan from Tek Syndicate to sell their product.

 

I hate Intel because they stopped using solder on non -E chips. Both companies are jerks. Both AMD and Intel used engineering samples to pump up sales/interest on the R9 cards and Haswell's. Both retail products performed nowhere near the engineering samples.

 

Both companies are deceptive, manipulative and could give a damn about you.

 

I5 is just a better all around gaming chip. Sorry if you don't like floating point. You will wish you had it when you play a game that needs it.

 

This? Runs like a slide show on a 5ghz AMD. 

https://dolphin-emu.org/media/

 

This (Hackintosh) will not run on AMD without EXTREME difficulties and only will work on older versions and not very well.

http://www.tonymacx86.com/home.php

 

My Intel is a 1080p Nintendo Wii, a Macintosh, a Windows gaming machine that gets twice the FPS in RTS/flight games/MMO's and kills a 8350 at rendering and I paid the same I would for a 8350 and a OC board and a OC PSU. Intel has value. If you don't need it or see it? That is fine. Go play console ports. PC gaming is more then console ports.

[Flojer0]

Exactly. I hate AMD because they are just making older chips with crap FPU and using deceptive people like Logan from Tek Syndicate to sell their product.

 

I hate Intel because they stopped using solder on non -E chips. Both companies are jerks. Both AMD and Intel used engineering samples to pump up sales/interest on the R9 cards and Haswell's. Both retail products performed nowhere near the engineering samples.

 

Both companies are deceptive, manipulative and could give a damn about you.

 

I5 is just a better all around gaming chip. Sorry if you don't like floating point. You will wish you had it when you play a game that needs it.

 

This? Runs like a slide show on a 5ghz AMD. 

https://dolphin-emu.org/media/

 

This (Hackintosh) will not run on AMD without EXTREME difficulties and only will work on older versions and not very well.

http://www.tonymacx86.com/home.php

 

My Intel is a 1080p Nintendo Wii, a Macintosh, a Windows gaming machine that gets twice the FPS in RTS/flight games/MMO's and kills a 8350 at rendering and I paid the same I would for a 8350 and a OC board and a OC PSU. Intel has value. If you don't need it or see it? That is fine. Go play console ports. PC gaming is more then console ports.

How about you link to some hard numbers. Yes AMD has had their troubles but the red vs. blue war has never been slideshow vs butter.

[deathjester]

There is much more to a computer than just games.

Here is a case of the FX-8350 beating a 3770K in a real world program. And if you look at the rest of the benchmarks that were performed on anandtech you will see that it does a very good job of trading blows with an i5.

 

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6396/the-vishera-review-amd-fx8350-fx8320-fx6300-and-fx4300-tested

 

So 1 program out of like a million that probably doesn't even use the new Haswell instructions or any of the newer Intel instructions means AMD is = in 8 thread performance? 

 

The biggest benefit of 8 threads is rendering speed, not gaming. My system is 24/7 on a budget power supply, with a 30 dollar air cooler, with a GTX 770 and a overclock on both. The only AMD's close are probably drawing TWICE the power my 4770k draws, on a motherboard that cost WAY more and I doubt they are even stable 24/7. 

 

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AlC81MjwelBgdEZNV3l6aHl1eUNwSUR4Rml0MXMzN1E&usp=sharing

 

8350 has value if you only do certain things. Please do not try to say a 8350 beats an I7. The 8350 is miles behind in some areas and can only manage to come close in others.  

[deathjester]

How about you link to some hard numbers. Yes AMD has had their troubles but the red vs. blue war has never been slideshow vs butter.

 

Here is FPU Julia in Aida 64 which measures floating point and will show you what happens in a cpu bound game...The 8350 is about dead even clock for clock with an I7-920 that came out in 2008...Why don't you measure your AMD for us?

 

FPU Julia                       CPU   CPU Clock   Motherboard   Chipset   Memory   CL-RCD-RP-RAS   Score     4x Core i7-4770K HT   4500 MHz   Unknown   Z87 Ext.   Dual DDR3-2133   10-12-10-31 CR1   35677     6x Core i7-3960X Extreme HT   3300 MHz   Intel DX79SI   X79   Quad DDR3-1600   9-9-9-24 CR2   26898     4x Core i7-3770K HT   3500 MHz   MSI Z77A-GD55   Z77 Int.   Dual DDR3-1600   9-9-9-24 CR2   19516     4x Core i7-2600 HT   3400 MHz   Asus P8P67   P67   Dual DDR3-1333   9-9-9-24 CR1   18457     12x Opteron 2431   2400 MHz   Supermicro H8DI3+-F   SR5690   Unganged Dual DDR2-800R   6-6-6-18 CR1   18309     6x Core i7-990X Extreme HT   3466 MHz   Intel DX58SO2   X58   Triple DDR3-1333   9-9-9-24 CR1   17993     8x Xeon X5550 HT   2666 MHz   Supermicro X8DTN+   i5520   Triple DDR3-1333   9-9-9-24 CR1   17671     8x Xeon E5462   2800 MHz   Intel S5400SF   i5400   Quad DDR2-640FB   5-5-5-15   15300     8x FX-8350   4000 MHz   Asus M5A99X Evo R2.0   AMD990X   Dual DDR3-1866   9-10-9-27 CR2   13504

[mandrigald]

So 1 program out of like a million that probably doesn't even use the new Haswell instructions or any of the newer Intel instructions means AMD is = in 8 thread performance? 

 

The biggest benefit of 8 threads is rendering speed, not gaming. My system is 24/7 on a budget power supply, with a 30 dollar air cooler, with a GTX 770 and a overclock on both. The only AMD's close are probably drawing TWICE the power my 4770k draws, on a motherboard that cost WAY more and I doubt they are even stable 24/7. 

 

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AlC81MjwelBgdEZNV3l6aHl1eUNwSUR4Rml0MXMzN1E&usp=sharing

 

8350 has value if you only do certain things. Please do not try to say a 8350 beats an I7. The 8350 is miles behind in some areas and can only manage to come close in others.  

But dude you literally said that an 8350 would NEVER beat an i7, hell you even accused him of being silly for thinking so. 

 

EDIT: I also feel like you are trying to say that an 8350 is shit for gaming, which it is not.

[Recon-UK]

Here is FPU Julia in Aida 64 which measures floating point and will show you what happens in a cpu bound game...The 8350 is about dead even clock for clock with an I7-920 that came out in 2008...Why don't you measure your AMD for us?

 

FPU Julia                       CPU   CPU Clock   Motherboard   Chipset   Memory   CL-RCD-RP-RAS   Score     4x Core i7-4770K HT   4500 MHz   Unknown   Z87 Ext.   Dual DDR3-2133   10-12-10-31 CR1   35677     6x Core i7-3960X Extreme HT   3300 MHz   Intel DX79SI   X79   Quad DDR3-1600   9-9-9-24 CR2   26898     4x Core i7-3770K HT   3500 MHz   MSI Z77A-GD55   Z77 Int.   Dual DDR3-1600   9-9-9-24 CR2   19516     4x Core i7-2600 HT   3400 MHz   Asus P8P67   P67   Dual DDR3-1333   9-9-9-24 CR1   18457     12x Opteron 2431   2400 MHz   Supermicro H8DI3+-F   SR5690   Unganged Dual DDR2-800R   6-6-6-18 CR1   18309     6x Core i7-990X Extreme HT   3466 MHz   Intel DX58SO2   X58   Triple DDR3-1333   9-9-9-24 CR1   17993     8x Xeon X5550 HT   2666 MHz   Supermicro X8DTN+   i5520   Triple DDR3-1333   9-9-9-24 CR1   17671     8x Xeon E5462   2800 MHz   Intel S5400SF   i5400   Quad DDR2-640FB   5-5-5-15   15300     8x FX-8350   4000 MHz   Asus M5A99X Evo R2.0   AMD990X   Dual DDR3-1866   9-10-9-27 CR2   13504

My 2500k.

 

[deathjester]

But dude you literally said that an 8350 would NEVER beat an i7, hell you even accused him of being silly for thinking so. 

 

EDIT: I also feel like you are trying to say that an 8350 is shit for gaming, which it is not.

 

They don't. The only CPU test where a 8350 comes close is CPU HASH it gets annihilated in everything else. Would you like my entire cpu report? I can email it to you. The 8350 is listed on every test. I can even overclock it to 4.7 and score better numbers if you want. The cpu tests don't run hot. 

 

Just because one program uses AMD instructions and not intel instructions doesn't make a AMD better in anything. FPU is not "instructions". It is not a biased program. Here is the other heavyweight CPU test. CPU Queen. AMD COULD make Mantle refuse to use Intel instructions but then they will just kill Mantle. I mean if they want to sabotage something they spent years developing and millions on? That is up to them lol.

CPU Queen                       CPU   CPU Clock   Motherboard   Chipset   Memory   CL-RCD-RP-RAS   Score     6x Core i7-3960X Extreme HT   3300 MHz   Intel DX79SI   X79   Quad DDR3-1600   9-9-9-24 CR2   62484     4x Core i7-4770K HT   4500 MHz   Unknown   Z87 Ext.   Dual DDR3-2133   10-12-10-31 CR1   57558     6x Core i7-990X Extreme HT   3466 MHz   Intel DX58SO2   X58   Triple DDR3-1333   9-9-9-24 CR1   56836     8x Xeon X5550 HT   2666 MHz   Supermicro X8DTN+   i5520   Triple DDR3-1333   9-9-9-24 CR1   53544     4x Core i7-3770K HT   3500 MHz   MSI Z77A-GD55   Z77 Int.   Dual DDR3-1600   9-9-9-24 CR2   46747     4x Core i7-2600 HT   3400 MHz   Asus P8P67   P67   Dual DDR3-1333   9-9-9-24 CR1   43907     12x Opteron 2431   2400 MHz   Supermicro H8DI3+-F   SR5690   Unganged Dual DDR2-800R   6-6-6-18 CR1   42550     8x Xeon E5462   2800 MHz   Intel S5400SF   i5400   Quad DDR2-640FB   5-5-5-15   41740     4x Core i7-965 Extreme HT   3200 MHz   Asus P6T Deluxe   X58   Triple DDR3-1333   9-9-9-24 CR1   37778     8x FX-8350   4000 MHz   Asus M5A99X Evo R2.0   AMD990X   Dual DDR3-1866   9-10-9-27 CR2   36089

[mandrigald]

 

They don't. The only CPU test where a 8350 comes close is CPU HASH it gets annihilated in everything else. Would you like my entire cpu report? I can email it to you. The 8350 is listed on every test. I can even overclock it to 4.7 and score better numbers if you want. The cpu tests don't run hot. 

 

Just because one program uses AMD instructions and not intel instructions doesn't make a AMD better in anything. FPU is not "instructions". It is not a biased program. Here is the other heavyweight CPU test. CPU Queen. AMD COULD make Mantle refuse to use Intel instructions but then they will just kill Mantle. I mean if they want to sabotage something they spent years developing and millions on? That is up to them lol.

CPU Queen                       CPU   CPU Clock   Motherboard   Chipset   Memory   CL-RCD-RP-RAS   Score     6x Core i7-3960X Extreme HT   3300 MHz   Intel DX79SI   X79   Quad DDR3-1600   9-9-9-24 CR2   62484     4x Core i7-4770K HT   4500 MHz   Unknown   Z87 Ext.   Dual DDR3-2133   10-12-10-31 CR1   57558     6x Core i7-990X Extreme HT   3466 MHz   Intel DX58SO2   X58   Triple DDR3-1333   9-9-9-24 CR1   56836     8x Xeon X5550 HT   2666 MHz   Supermicro X8DTN+   i5520   Triple DDR3-1333   9-9-9-24 CR1   53544     4x Core i7-3770K HT   3500 MHz   MSI Z77A-GD55   Z77 Int.   Dual DDR3-1600   9-9-9-24 CR2   46747     4x Core i7-2600 HT   3400 MHz   Asus P8P67   P67   Dual DDR3-1333   9-9-9-24 CR1   43907     12x Opteron 2431   2400 MHz   Supermicro H8DI3+-F   SR5690   Unganged Dual DDR2-800R   6-6-6-18 CR1   42550     8x Xeon E5462   2800 MHz   Intel S5400SF   i5400   Quad DDR2-640FB   5-5-5-15   41740     4x Core i7-965 Extreme HT   3200 MHz   Asus P6T Deluxe   X58   Triple DDR3-1333   9-9-9-24 CR1   37778     8x FX-8350   4000 MHz   Asus M5A99X Evo R2.0   AMD990X   Dual DDR3-1866   9-10-9-27 CR2   36089

 

But dude, the 8350 has performed great for others when it comes to video games. It seems like you are completely trashing the thing when it is a decent if not great CPU. Look at the numbers man, it performs well enough with games that I would recommend it ANY DAY over an i5. Now I can see where you are coming from with the i7 argument but as a gamer I just don't see that being worth the price for what I will be using it for

[Flojer0]

Here is FPU Julia in Aida 64 which measures floating point and will show you what happens in a cpu bound game...The 8350 is about dead even clock for clock with an I7-920 that came out in 2008...Why don't you measure your AMD for us?

 

FPU Julia                       CPU   CPU Clock   Motherboard   Chipset   Memory   CL-RCD-RP-RAS   Score     4x Core i7-4770K HT   4500 MHz   Unknown   Z87 Ext.   Dual DDR3-2133   10-12-10-31 CR1   35677     6x Core i7-3960X Extreme HT   3300 MHz   Intel DX79SI   X79   Quad DDR3-1600   9-9-9-24 CR2   26898     4x Core i7-3770K HT   3500 MHz   MSI Z77A-GD55   Z77 Int.   Dual DDR3-1600   9-9-9-24 CR2   19516     4x Core i7-2600 HT   3400 MHz   Asus P8P67   P67   Dual DDR3-1333   9-9-9-24 CR1   18457     12x Opteron 2431   2400 MHz   Supermicro H8DI3+-F   SR5690   Unganged Dual DDR2-800R   6-6-6-18 CR1   18309     6x Core i7-990X Extreme HT   3466 MHz   Intel DX58SO2   X58   Triple DDR3-1333   9-9-9-24 CR1   17993     8x Xeon X5550 HT   2666 MHz   Supermicro X8DTN+   i5520   Triple DDR3-1333   9-9-9-24 CR1   17671     8x Xeon E5462   2800 MHz   Intel S5400SF   i5400   Quad DDR2-640FB   5-5-5-15   15300     8x FX-8350   4000 MHz   Asus M5A99X Evo R2.0   AMD990X   Dual DDR3-1866   9-10-9-27 CR2   13504

The point your missing is that you need to look at real programs that are actually going to be used by the end user before you make or recommend a purchase. There are tasks that will bury any consumer level CPU but will run amazing on enterprise class hardware. And there are games that will run amazing on consumer machines that will choke on enterprise machines. No I am not saying that AMD is making enterprise hardware, but you need to understand that you need to look at what is going to be done with a tool before you judge it. For many tasks Intel will mop the floor with AMD, but there are many more where it honestly makes to difference to the end experience.

[TechFan@ic]

I really don't think about it that way, if you've been following the CPU market for the past 5 years you will notice that Intel's prices have remained stagnant for the most part.
AMD on the other hand has been continually offering class leading performance for the sub $199 price segment.

[deathjester]

But dude, the 8350 has performed great for others when it comes to video games. It seems like you are completely trashing the thing when it is a decent if not great CPU. Look at the numbers man, it performs well enough with games that I would recommend it ANY DAY over an i5. Now I can see where you are coming from with the i7 argument but as a gamer I just don't see that being worth the price for what I will be using it for

 

What games? Single player titles and one of two 8 thread games where the stock I7 beats the 8350 at 5ghz? Single player titles are almost always GPU bound. My e8400 played Bioshock infinite and Mass Effect 3 flawlessly with a 4ghz overclock and it was a duo core lol. Why? Because there aren't hundreds of other players on screen, with spell effects and numbers flying over their head.

 

If you don't play those games? That is fine. It doesn't magically make a 8350 be a I7 though. The I7 is a much better chip. If you can buy it for almost the same price or CHEAPER (which I did in the U.S), then you do it. The chips aren't close in many areas and only close in a select few. Logan from Tek Syndicate could have used a 2008 I7-920 with a OC and saw the same results he did on the 8350 in single player games. The rest was rigged. Everyone who works in the tech industry knows it. 

 

Want to know WHY the 8350 at 5ghz loses to the I7 at stock in BF4 MULTIPLAYER? Because the floating point sucks. In single player? They would probably be the same. Hell if you play single player games? Get the 6300fx or better yet an old i7-920 on craigs list. The 8350 is overkill. Single player games other then RTS/flight sims need barely anything from the CPU unless they are an emulator. 

[Recon-UK]

I really don't think about it that way, if you've been following the CPU market for the past 5 years you will notice that Intel's prices have remained stagnant for the most part.

AMD on the other hand has been continually offering class leading performance for the $150 price segment and below. 

Class leading is a wrong bit of terminology in my opinion, that price segment is not really a price segment with just the FX, you also have the i5's been too close for comfort in price next to the 8350, however that does depend on pricing and availability.

@deathjester 

 

You are correct on almost all fronts, apart from the very fact you stated the i7 will always beat the FX, this depends on combinations of hardware and ones capability to overclock on both platforms.

Emulation is still a niche, but yes it is mostly dominated by intel for good reason, performance is almost 100% better in such emulators like PCSX2.

 

Most of the time an AMD FX will be perfectly fine giving the person who owns the platform a comfortable experience.

[mandrigald]

What games? Single player titles and one of two 8 thread games where the stock I7 beats the 8350 at 5ghz? Single player titles are almost always GPU bound. My e8400 played Bioshock infinite and Mass Effect 3 flawlessly with a 4ghz overclock and it was a duo core lol. Why? Because there aren't hundreds of other players on screen, with spell effects and numbers flying over their head.

 

If you don't play those games? That is fine. It doesn't magically make a 8350 be a I7 though. The I7 is a much better chip. If you can buy it for almost the same price or CHEAPER (which I did in the U.S), then you do it. The chips aren't close in many areas and only close in a select few. Logan from Tek Syndicate could have used a 2008 I7-920 with a OC and saw the same results he did on the 8350 in single player games. The rest was rigged. Everyone who works in the tech industry knows it. 

 

Want to know WHY the 8350 at 5ghz loses to the I7 at stock in BF4 MULTIPLAYER? Because the floating point sucks. In single player? They would probably be the same. Hell if you play single player games? Get the 6300fx or better yet an old i7-920 on craigs list. The 8350 is overkill. Single player games other then RTS/flight sims need barely anything from the CPU unless they are an emulator. 

Don't get me wrong dude, I (almost) completely know where you are coming from with the i7 argument, its just better plain and simple (I was talking about i5 though in this post). However, that isn't to say that you couldn't comfortably play multiplayer games with an 8350.

 

EDIT: I would like you to link me to a cheaper (or similarly priced), better performing i7 please. Perhaps I will look into that.

[deathjester]

Don't get me wrong dude, I (almost) completely know where you are coming from with the i7 argument, its just better plain and simple (I was talking about i5 though in this post). However, that isn't to say that you couldn't comfortably play multiplayer games with an 8350.

 

EDIT: I would like you to link me to a cheaper (or similarly priced), better performing i7 please. Perhaps I will look into that.

 

If you live in the U.S? Price match Microcenter on Staples online chat. It was 249.99 there a few days ago and 199.99 before black friday. You just missed out. If you live near a Microcenter or have a friend that does? Just buy it there. The MSI budget board overclocks like a champ (all z87's do) and you can go AMD on the video cards with crossfire if you want (doesn't have SLI). 

http://www.microcenter.com/site/brands/intel-processor-bundles.aspx

 

Someone on the forum price matched it through Staples.

http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/90269-i7-4770k-for-24839/

 

That was the deal I got.

http://slickdeals.net/f/6445384-intel-i5-3570k-149-99-i7-4770k-199-99-microcenter-b-m-only?page=54

 

The I5-4670k is always 199 bucks there. Like I said, in the United States? Intel isn't expensive. If you are living somewhere else? AMD can be attractive. Here? Not really. Not for a gaming machine. If all I did was render and I didn't use Mac OS to do it? AMD would be attractive to me MAYBE. 

 

AMD GPU's? Love em. Wish they were in stock in the United States. . Coin miners bought all of them.

[mandrigald]

If you live in the U.S? Price match Microcenter on Staples online chat. It was 249.99 there a few days ago and 199.99 before black friday. You just missed out. If you live near a Microcenter or have a friend that does? Just buy it there. The MSI budget board overclocks like a champ (all z87's do) and you can go AMD on the video cards with crossfire if you want (doesn't have SLI). 

http://www.microcenter.com/site/brands/intel-processor-bundles.aspx

 

Someone on the forum price matched it through Staples.

http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/90269-i7-4770k-for-24839/

 

That was the deal I got.

http://slickdeals.net/f/6445384-intel-i5-3570k-149-99-i7-4770k-199-99-microcenter-b-m-only?page=54

 

The I5-4670k is always 199 bucks there. Like I said, in the United States? Intel isn't expensive. If you are living somewhere else? AMD can be attractive. Here? Not really. Not for a gaming machine. If all I did was render and I didn't use Mac OS to do it? AMD would be attractive to me MAYBE. 

 

AMD GPU's? Love em. Wish they were in stock in the United States. . Coin miners bought all of them.

Thanks man, I'm going to look into a 4770k, never seen them that cheap in my life.

[Flojer0]

Logan from Tek Syndicate could have used a 2008 I7-920 with a OC and saw the same results he did on the 8350 in single player games. The rest was rigged. Everyone who works in the tech industry knows it.

 

???

 

Apparently everyone in the tech industry except logan, and Linus. Also keep in mind that It is more appropriate to compare the i5 to the 8350 since they are comparable in price. I only mentioned the i7 because cases do exist where AMD beats it.

 

 

Don't get me wrong dude, I (almost) completely know where you are coming from with the i7 argument, its just better plain and simple (I was talking about i5 though in this post). However, that isn't to say that you couldn't comfortably play multiplayer games with an 8350.

 

EDIT: I would like you to link me to a cheaper (or similarly priced), better performing i7 please. Perhaps I will look into that.

Sorry, I made an i7 comparison and derailed him.