Wired V/s Wireless Mouse

[msvr]

Why guys at LTT use wired mouse at least for editing and not for gaming despite highly advanced and expensive setups, as also there are high dpi wireless mice available in the market ?

[mikedrewsmy]

4 minutes ago, msvr said:

Why guys at LTT use wired mouse at least for editing and not for gaming despite highly advanced and expensive setups, as also there are high dpi wireless mice available in the market ?

Saves money on batteries.
If it's built in, then less need to recharge it.
Higher response time despite what the box says for wireless mice.

And if they knocked the mice off the table, at least the cables would keep it dangling

 

Just my 2 cents.

[RollinLower]

Probably because the editors like the mice they use. If they needed to switch suddenly to a different model, they would have to get used to said new model. Why would you want to have such a potential hit on productivity?

 

Also, I think Linus forcing them to use different mice wouldn't be the most ethical way of doing things

[Grifterguru]

POersonal Experience:

Wired mice are more responsive, more reliable and don't "Sleep" which can be a pain, neither does the link between mouse and wireless connector become disconnected.

Wireless are fine for a daily chore system or for lack of restriction when doing other things.

[jiyeon]

Wired whenever I'm into low-input lag tasks such as gaming or editing; Wireless if it's just a short laptop usage and I'd rather not deal with wires.

[Ashiella]

Depends, I'm a semi-professional R6 player and for gaming it kinda depends on the mouse youre looking at.. I used a Steelseries Sensei Raw for a while and it was pretty good input lag wise, then I ended up switching to a Logitech G900 about a year ago, and being wireless is honestly really nice to have, it takes about 4-5 days using my pc about 12-15 hours a day for the battery to run out and it only needs 30 minutes or less to be fully recharged. The input lag difference isn't that bad, I play osu! every now and then to keep my aim up whenever my team is taking a little break that day or sometimes just to warm up, and according to osu! the sensei raw has higher input lag than the g900 in wireless mode, and the g900 in wired mode is slower than it being wireless, somehow... The Sensei has also been known to be a very good gaming mouse by pros and is still in use today.

[seon123]

DPI and being wireless doesn't make a mouse better nor more accurate. Take the Mamba, for example. It uses a 16000DPI sensor and it's wireless, but it's still dogshit garbage, because the sensor has inherent flaws in it. 

The editors got to pick the Logitech mouse they wanted when the moved to the studio, and they prioritised other things than the mouse being wireless. It's not like they are moving around with their desktop all the time, so the cable doesn't bother them, I'm guessing. 

For the input latency, it's pretty much all in the user's head. It's much easier to blame a defeat on their equipment, than it is to realise their own mistakes. 

[Syntaxvgm]

3 hours ago, msvr said:

Why guys at LTT use wired mouse at least for editing and not for gaming despite highly advanced and expensive setups, as also there are high dpi wireless mice available in the market ?

For a couple of reasons. 
The first is for gaming, I've yet to see a mouse that doesn't occasionally stutter. I don't care how hard they all claim to not stutter (looking at you logitech) they do. Also I've become accustomed to the weight of the cord for some reason, but dont like a heavy mouse. Almost all are too heavy due to the batteries. 

 

 I don't like rechargeable mice. I like battery based ones. I don't need to change batteries all of the time as they last a very long time, and charging a mouse is dumb. Unfortunately, gaming mice (or any good multibutton mouse for that matter) MUST HAVE FUCKING LEDS for some reason, and this means rechargeable. This takes wireless mice out of the question for productivity to me, as I use mmo mice for working on stuff. 

 

-people claim the g900 is good, but for 130$ I have 0 confidence it wont double click eventually like my other logitech mice in recent times. I wear through mice, and I have a lot of places to put them, multiple pcs at home and one at work. Saving a few bucks on a good mouse x5 adds up, especially since they get replaced in a few years. 

 

I do like wireless mice for non-gaming stuff, but getting one I like wont have all the buttons and goodies I want, and none will be good for gaming for me. 

 

 

[msvr]

6 hours ago, Syntaxvgm said:

For a couple of reasons. 
The first is for gaming, I've yet to see a mouse that doesn't occasionally stutter. I don't care how hard they all claim to not stutter (looking at you logitech) they do. Also I've become accustomed to the weight of the cord for some reason, but dont like a heavy mouse. Almost all are too heavy due to the batteries. 

 

 I don't like rechargeable mice. I like battery based ones. I don't need to change batteries all of the time as they last a very long time, and charging a mouse is dumb. Unfortunately, gaming mice (or any good multibutton mouse for that matter) MUST HAVE FUCKING LEDS for some reason, and this means rechargeable. This takes wireless mice out of the question for productivity to me, as I use mmo mice for working on stuff. 

 

-people claim the g900 is good, but for 130$ I have 0 confidence it wont double click eventually like my other logitech mice in recent times. I wear through mice, and I have a lot of places to put them, multiple pcs at home and one at work. Saving a few bucks on a good mouse x5 adds up, especially since they get replaced in a few years. 

 

I do like wireless mice for non-gaming stuff, but getting one I like wont have all the buttons and goodies I want, and none will be good for gaming for me. 

 

 

Thank you so much @Syntaxvgm for your excellent and unbiased explanation...now i get the point,

and one thing - i also hate rechargeable mice, and i use battery ones instead ( for non gaming stuff of course).

And in my opinion Apple magic mouse is the dumbest wireless mouse ever made, i mean you see the shit - you have to charge it in doggystyle...

[Motifator]

It's a biased opinion. Anybody who's done their research knows the double-click of death syndrome IS NOT a specific thing of Logitech mice. It has happened to tens and tens of mice in past, ranging from cheap to expensive ones. It's like transmission failure. You can't just say "this is not going to happen regardless of what". So far I have NOT seen a direct solution to %100 make sure the mouse doesn't end up double-clicking.

Wireless mice in past (like 10 years ago) had to use low-power sensors to cut down on battery usage, and that resulted in lower performance than wired mice. Today, you can have the top end sensors in good mice like G900 with batteries lasting a good amount of time. A wireless mouse does NOT equal to shit and does NOT always lag behind a wired mouse. You could compare X wireless mouse with slightly better sensor to Y wired mouse with slightly worse sensor and find the former to be better. Moreover, it could all be in your head and no amount of turns in Paint will alter the your placebo effect.

[Syntaxvgm]

On 8/31/2018 at 10:25 PM, Motifator said:

It's a biased opinion. Anybody who's done their research knows the double-click of death syndrome IS NOT a specific thing of Logitech mice. It has happened to tens and tens of mice in past, ranging from cheap to expensive ones. It's like transmission failure. You can't just say "this is not going to happen regardless of what". So far I have NOT seen a direct solution to %100 make sure the mouse doesn't end up double-clicking.

Wireless mice in past (like 10 years ago) had to use low-power sensors to cut down on battery usage, and that resulted in lower performance than wired mice. Today, you can have the top end sensors in good mice like G900 with batteries lasting a good amount of time. A wireless mouse does NOT equal to shit and does NOT always lag behind a wired mouse. You could compare X wireless mouse with slightly better sensor to Y wired mouse with slightly worse sensor and find the former to be better. Moreover, it could all be in your head and no amount of turns in Paint will alter the your placebo effect.

Yet pretty much every single logitech mouse in the past few years that I've owned or even used has a double click issue. Less than an hour between instances typically, meaning I see it with other peoples mice. No other mice I've used have had that problem. While they're probably not the only ones that use the switchers, even 10$ mice from logitech 10+ years ago I used until the rubber feet peeled off and I had ground hole in them and never once did they false click. Proper buttons are cheap. Fuck nopt even razer mice did this, and for a few years (bout 2012-2015ish) everyone I knew with a naga had the sensor die. 

On 8/31/2018 at 10:25 PM, Motifator said:

It's a biased opinion. Anybody who's done their research knows the double-click of death syndrome IS NOT a specific thing of Logitech mice. It has happened to tens and tens of mice in past, ranging from cheap to expensive ones. It's like transmission failure. You can't just say "this is not going to happen regardless of what". So far I have NOT seen a direct solution to %100 make sure the mouse doesn't end up double-clicking.

Wireless mice in past (like 10 years ago) had to use low-power sensors to cut down on battery usage, and that resulted in lower performance than wired mice. Today, you can have the top end sensors in good mice like G900 with batteries lasting a good amount of time. A wireless mouse does NOT equal to shit and does NOT always lag behind a wired mouse. You could compare X wireless mouse with slightly better sensor to Y wired mouse with slightly worse sensor and find the former to be better. Moreover, it could all be in your head and no amount of turns in Paint will alter the your placebo effect.

The g900 is a good wireless mouse when it works, but the problems  I have with wireless mice above are preference, mainly hating rechargeable ones. But
 

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your placebo effect.

The mouse literally disconnecting for half a second occasionally is not a placebo effect. I know I have a lot of interference where I live, but this mouse isn't special like the huge marketing video effort from Logitech claims, and it is the main reason I didn't keep mine after 1 exchange. I'm not the only one. This isn't about a fuck up in the path. Yes it draws perfect circles most of the time like the videos show. So do other wireless mice unless you're next to like 20 other mice and an electromagnetic generator.  It's about their quality (any the quality of other wireless gaming mice too). How cool the wireless tech is doesn't matter unless you can't make a dongle. And they can't. Even for the mini unifying dongles on regular mice I have them fry all the time or start being dodgy. I quickly leaned to get the older ones on ebay - slightly different shape and ring on the bottom

 

There's a ton talk about the disconnects, but most are talking about, you guessed it, double clicking. I would probably have a better mouse if I got an MX master, and the consumer wireless mice I've had from logitech are just fine. It has some issues, but it cheaper. Some have some design gripes, and are not quite as good as some older ones I had, but they are still good. The gaming mice, like any other gaming mice, are overpriced crap these days. And the software is fucking garbage, seriously I use a g600 at work still and I have a chinese clone of one at home with more reliable, albeit clunky, software. My remaining g600 has double click issues, but I use mmo mice for work so it doesn't matter. 

For the huge price tag, I get nothing more than a 40-60$ and I see no need for it unless you have a laptop. 
Maybe if they didn't spend so much money on marketing, you wouldn't end up with keyboard that have keycap stems snap and they request you send the whole keeb and not the caps back. 
 

[Motifator]

I had my G900 go through a lot of usage for 2.5 years and it's now my secondary mouse. I sold my G502 to a guy who games heavily 2 years ago and he uses it to this day happily... you might have had bad luck, and no amount of copy-pasting "random" consumer reviews will actually do it justice on a serious level, and you probably know that...

if you have a lot of wireless inference, the mouse might have issues.. yes, that's not an anomaly.

I have heard issues with it from another person as well, but it's not as bad as you make it out to be. It's not something that fails %99 of the time. Shit happens, maybe it happens a bit more with these mice than it happens with X or Y quality mice... but still, I have had pretty much nothing but good experiences with mine.

[Rupe]

14 hours ago, Syntaxvgm said:

The mouse literally disconnecting for half a second occasionally is not a placebo effect. I know I have a lot of interference where I live, but this mouse isn't special like the huge marketing video effort from Logitech claims, and it is the main reason I didn't keep mine after 1 exchange. I'm not the only one. This isn't about a fuck up in the path. Yes it draws perfect circles most of the time like the videos show. So do other wireless mice unless you're next to like 20 other mice and an electromagnetic generator.  It's about their quality (any the quality of other wireless gaming mice too). How cool the wireless tech is doesn't matter unless you can't make a dongle. And they can't. Even for the mini unifying dongles on regular mice I have them fry all the time or start being dodgy. I quickly leaned to get the older ones on ebay - slightly different shape and ring on the bottom

Yes but the point is the mouse was compared to other mice in their video so the technology is superior. Also, many professional gamers use these wireless mice in lan environments where there will be a lot of other wireless interference and if they had any issues they obviously wouldn't use them as their jobs/livelihood depends on them doing well so I am of the belief that this tech is special is the sense that it is better than previous wireless technology. I'm sorry you had a bad experience but the fact is the wireless tech Logitech has developed is fantastic and if you had disconnects it's because you had a faulty product and not because the technology as a whole is bad.

[Motifator]

Indeed, there is this as well:

https://www.hardocp.com/news/2018/09/02/logitech_g502_gaming_mouse_gets_upgrade

[Rupe]

3 hours ago, Motifator said:

Indeed, there is this as well:

https://www.hardocp.com/news/2018/09/02/logitech_g502_gaming_mouse_gets_upgrade

That's interesting. I guess it's cheaper for them to manufacture their own sensor than to buy them from Pixart. Hopefully they upgrade all their mice especially their wireless ones as the Hero sensor is more power efficient than the 3366

[Syntaxvgm]

6 hours ago, Rupe said:

Yes but the point is the mouse was compared to other mice in their video so the technology is superior. Also, many professional gamers use these wireless mice in lan environments where there will be a lot of other wireless interference and if they had any issues they obviously wouldn't use them as their jobs/livelihood depends on them doing well so I am of the belief that this tech is special is the sense that it is better than previous wireless technology. I'm sorry you had a bad experience but the fact is the wireless tech Logitech has developed is fantastic and if you had disconnects it's because you had a faulty product and not because the technology as a whole is bad.

I returned it for another that had the same issues, and then got money back. It wasn't the wireless signal, it was a fucky dongle and that's all I get from them now, as they are cheap as fuck. Same reason they all develop double clicks. Cheap. 

As I mentioned from the unifying receivers that kept dying on me completely or cutting in and out, after a couple of replacements burning too, on advice from someone I bought old ones on ebay and they work perfectly, yet to have a problem. 

I understand the core technology is there, and I admit the use itself for wired is a personal preference, but the QC is certainly not there for logitech or most of gaming brands that do wireless for that matter. And from mice that start at 100$ for most brands, that's not really acceptable yet. 

[Rupe]

@Syntaxvgm I'm not going to get into QC as I don't have a large enough sample size to accurately judge, but I would suspect you're somewhat overstating the poorness of Logitechs QC.

My point was that assuming the mouse is working correctly you will not notice a difference from wired or wireless. No stutters and next to no latency

[cluelessgenius]

so i use my mx master now for about what like 2 years?! and i couldnt be happier and see no problem with wireless mice if the quality is there. i game on it i work with it and only recharge it once every 3 month or so dispite daily usage of 8 and more hours.

 

keyboards are a different thing. because i really need my keyboard lit up in some form. and backlighting needs power and so im switching back to wired keyboard just so the backlight will be on permanently and not turn off like 1 second after my last key stroke. seriously if its off when im not typing how am i gonna find the right keys in the dark. then once you hit a key it turns on but if you ask me the backlighting on the k830 is bloody useless.

 

tldr: wireless mice are fine, wireless keyboards only so/so and not for me

[Syntaxvgm]

3 hours ago, Rupe said:

@Syntaxvgm I'm not going to get into QC as I don't have a large enough sample size to accurately judge, but I would suspect you're somewhat overstating the poorness of Logitechs QC.

My point was that assuming the mouse is working correctly you will not notice a difference from wired or wireless. No stutters and next to no latency

 I have 3 desktops and 3 laptops I use, though 2 of the laptops I usually just hook up in the same spot. It's kinda setup for a combination for gaming with friends and work stuff. So I tend to have a large sample size of these things to personally experience in addition to being on a ton of tech forums. 

Trust me, the double clicking shit is real, I've yet to have one that doesn't do it after a while and most people I meet online mention it in varying severity, even if they like the mouse in question. Though the g600 I have at work does it like once an hour or so, it doesn't bother me for day to day use, just unacceptable for gaming. In fact, you may not notice it happen when not gaming if you're not in a context menu or something. In that case, the jank software is the bigger issue, having to restart it if I unplug and replug the mouse for example (it is a laptop after all). The G900 has bad quality control separately. For the unifying receivers, I occasionally use wireless mice for the laptops, but most of it is from using a trackball and wireless keyboard with my tv, and burning through dongles there until I got an old one, so it's possible I got really unlucky. 

[seduce_me]

Wireless mice are pretty good these days. See G900, G305/G304. I had a few mice in this order:

Razer Taipan > G502 > G900 > G Pro > G100S > G305 > G100S.

If you ask me why I didn't stick to the wireless mice, I just liked the shape of the G100S way more than the rest. Which is a pity, because if they made a G100S with the same wireless technology as the G305 it would be the perfect mouse for me.