help me at this build

[All-knowing idiot]

I have made a parts list for a pc that I wanted to keep under $2000 (I would prefer cheaper than $1000 but alas, it is kinda inpossible)  but I made it too expensive, but well I want to find out like a better gpu maybe (like the one with the most bang for the buck) and any other things with similar power but cheaper. well, I am fin with whatever you change as long as it has the intel core i7-8700k processor. (also a watercooler. if you can figure out where to get realy good and cheap custom waterblocks for whatever gpu then also tell me. but I would also need to know cheap and effective pc blocks too.) https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/kC2Pgw and this is the parts I have thought of possibly getting. 

[Unimaginative Name]

1) Fan controller really isn't needed. If you get 4-pin fans you can even control them with software like SpeedFan. 

2) Without knowing exactly what you are going to be doing with the build, I can say that a 2TB SSD and 12TB HDD is probably overkill for most  applications. A 512GB SSD and 2TB HDD are plenty for most applications. 

[Spotty]

14 minutes ago, All-knowing idiot said:

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/kC2Pgw and this is the parts I have thought of possibly getting. 

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PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i7-8700K 3.7GHz 6-Core Processor  ($458.99 @ Amazon Canada)
CPU Cooler: Deepcool - CAPTAIN 360 273.4 CFM Fluid Dynamic Bearing Liquid CPU Cooler
Thermal Compound: ARCTIC - MX4 4g Thermal Paste  ($8.49 @ Amazon Canada)
Motherboard: Asus - ROG STRIX Z370-E GAMING ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($254.99 @ Amazon Canada)
Memory: Team - Elite Plus 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory  ($177.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Storage: Western Digital - Blue 2TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  ($529.99 @ Amazon Canada)
Storage: Seagate - IronWolf 12TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($528.92 @ Mike's Computer Shop)
Video Card: MSI - GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6GB GT OCV1 Video Card  ($359.99 @ Amazon Canada)
Case: Phanteks - Enthoo Pro ATX Full Tower Case  ($119.99 @ Memory Express)
Power Supply: Corsair - RMx 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($149.99 @ Amazon Canada)
Operating System: Microsoft - Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit  ($120.95 @ Vuugo)
Case Fan: Delta Electronics - AFB1212HHE-F00 120.1 CFM  120mm Fan  ($21.02 @ Newegg Canada)
Fan Controller: Thermaltake - Commander FT Fan Controller  ($35.91 @ Newegg Canada)
Total: $2767.22
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-08-08 21:33 EDT-0400

 

 

14 minutes ago, All-knowing idiot said:

I have made a parts list for a pc that I wanted to keep under $2000 (I would prefer cheaper than $1000 but alas, it is kinda inpossible)  but I made it too expensive

I can see quite a few areas that you're over spending in, such as a 2TB SSD and 12TB HDD, and other parts that aren't very suitable. You really don't need a Delta fan.
What's with the Deepcool 360mm Rad? It doesn't have a price listed for it in the PCPP, was it not available in their info or do you already own it?

 

14 minutes ago, All-knowing idiot said:

I am fin with whatever you change as long as it has the intel core i7-8700k processor.

What are you planning on using the computer for?

Without knowing what you're actually using it for, here's a more trimmed down version without all the unnecessary stuff that you *probably* don't need. Saved CAD $900 from your original list.
 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i7-8700K 3.7GHz 6-Core Processor  ($458.99 @ Amazon Canada)
CPU Cooler: Deepcool - CAPTAIN 360 273.4 CFM Fluid Dynamic Bearing Liquid CPU Cooler
Motherboard: Asus - Prime Z370-A ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($212.75 @ Vuugo)
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($201.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Storage: Samsung - 970 Evo 500GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  ($229.99 @ Memory Express)
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($94.49 @ Amazon Canada)
Video Card: MSI - GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6GB GT OCV1 Video Card  ($359.99 @ Amazon Canada)
Case: Phanteks - Enthoo Pro ATX Full Tower Case  ($119.99 @ Memory Express)
Power Supply: SeaSonic - FOCUS Plus Gold 550W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($88.99 @ PC-Canada)
Operating System: Microsoft - Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit  ($120.95 @ Vuugo)
Total: $1888.13 (Note: That's in CAD, not USD)
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-08-08 21:42 EDT-0400
 

PS. I thought I was going crazy looking at the prices for many of these parts thinking that there was a sneaky price rise on SSDs, power supplies and DDR4 over night, before realising it was showing in CAD not USD.

[mayonnaiseblackhole]

Yah what are you doing with your pc, many of this stuff is crazy overkill if you are just gaming, web browsing, or even video editing

[All-knowing idiot]

3 minutes ago, Unimaginative Name said:

1) Fan controller really isn't needed. If you get 4-pin fans you can even control them with software like SpeedFan. 

2) Without knowing exactly what you are going to be doing with the build, I can say that a 2TB SSD and 12TB HDD is probably overkill for most  applications. A 512GB SSD and 2TB HDD are plenty for most applications. 

well, I could remove the hdd. I mean, im only gonna use it for long-term storage so I don't think that I need it. and because the fan is a 3 pin, I might need to keep the fan controller (I think that by using one fan I can use it for the case. and I don't want to mount that many fans so im using this blowymatron but I don't think there is a 4 pin one so that is why I am using a fan controller) plus, the fan controller is pretty cheap (compared to the other parts atleast so it wont lower the price much)

[Unimaginative Name]

1 minute ago, All-knowing idiot said:

well, I could remove the hdd. I mean, im only gonna use it for long-term storage so I don't think that I need it. and because the fan is a 3 pin, I might need to keep the fan controller (I think that by using one fan I can use it for the case. and I don't want to mount that many fans so im using this blowymatron but I don't think there is a 4 pin one so that is why I am using a fan controller) plus, the fan controller is pretty cheap (compared to the other parts atleast so it wont lower the price much)

It depends on what you're using the PC for. A 2 (or even 3) TB HDD with a 500GB SSD will cost less than either of your original choices on their own. The reason I said something about the fan controller is that it really is unnecessary. Priorities being where they are, money saved is money saved, especially when you said that you wanted it under $2000 at max. The better option would be a three pack of cheaper, quieter fans and run them all off of mobo headers. 

[All-knowing idiot]

1. I made it a bit overkill because I want this computer to last like maybe 10 years more or less. I would upgrade my ram in a few years. and I don't believe in overkill. what is overkill anyways... im not even using a intel core i9 or anything of the like lmao. and the reason I need that much overkill is because of my extremely heavy multitasking, I think that the amount of multitasking that I do would make that pc struggle too. and I don't care about fan loudness. I like using headphones and I barely notice the sound around me so yeah. and uh :V also, im most likely gonna only use a ssd

[All-knowing idiot]

and also, I might use this pc for streaming games. or hosting game servers (and hopefully that it is powerfull enough to run both server and client lol) and as I said, I would most likely just use  only the ssd

[Spotty]

5 minutes ago, All-knowing idiot said:

1. I made it a bit overkill because I want this computer to last like maybe 10 years more or less. I would upgrade my ram in a few years. and I don't believe in overkill. what is overkill anyways... im not even using a intel core i9 or anything of the like lmao. and the reason I need that much overkill is because of my extremely heavy multitasking, I think that the amount of multitasking that I do would make that pc struggle too. and I don't care about fan loudness. I like using headphones and I barely notice the sound around me so yeah. and uh :V also, im most likely gonna only use a ssd

 

2 minutes ago, All-knowing idiot said:

and also, I might use this pc for streaming games. or hosting game servers (and hopefully that it is powerfull enough to run both server and client lol) and as I said, I would most likely just use  only the ssd

Your audience will care about fan loudness if they can't hear you over the sound of a leaf blower/'blowimatron' running in your PC.

 

As for buying overkill parts to make it last 10 years, that's just stupid. You're paying an extra $1000 now to make it "future proof" for 10 years from now, when you'd be much better off saving that $1000, putting it in a piggy bank, and in 10 years time spending $1000 on a new PC. Think about how computer hardware advances rapidly, and how a modern computer compares to a computer from 10 years ago. A $1000 modern PC will easily out perform any 'overkill and futureproof' systems from 10 years ago.
 

36 minutes ago, All-knowing idiot said:

(also a watercooler. if you can figure out where to get realy good and cheap custom waterblocks for whatever gpu then also tell me. but I would also need to know cheap and effective pc blocks too.)

You have a AIO cooler selected in your parts list. AIOs provide a closed loop to the CPU only. You can't add in GPU water blocks to an AIO loop. You would need to make an entirely custom water loop (fittings, hoses, pumps, reservoir, CPU block, radiators, etc) in order to be able to add in GPU water blocks.

 

It's pretty obvious that more thought needs to be put in to what you want to use the computer for, and what parts you realistically need to achieve it.

[Herman Mcpootis]

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 1700X 3.4GHz 8-Core Processor  ($289.99 @ Memory Express) better since you're streaming.
CPU Cooler: Alphacool - Eisbaer LT360 63.9 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  ($143.43 @ Newegg Canada Marketplace) 
Motherboard: MSI - X470 GAMING PLUS ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($159.99 @ Amazon Canada) 
Memory: G.Skill - Aegis 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($184.99 @ Newegg Canada) 
Storage: Crucial - MX500 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($117.89 @ Amazon Canada) 
Storage: Toshiba - 4TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($154.99 @ PC-Canada) 
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce GTX 1080 8GB Superclocked Gaming ACX 3.0 Video Card  ($658.99 @ Mike's Computer Shop) 
Case: Corsair - Carbide Series 275R (Black w/Tempered Glass) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($99.99 @ Amazon Canada) 
Power Supply: Antec - Earthwatts Gold Pro 750W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($99.99 @ Amazon Canada) 
Operating System: Microsoft - Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit  ($124.99 @ Mike's Computer Shop) 
Total: $2035.24
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-08-08 22:23 EDT-0400

[brob]

The motherboard fan headers can handle 3-pin and 4-pin fans. It also has excellent fan control software.

 

Consider a cpu cooler like the Dark Rock Pro 4. Offers good enough performance for decent overclocks and can be fairly quiet.

 

The Delta Electronics fan is rated at 44 dB. Far too loud. Besides, the case has two fans that should be sufficient to establish good airflow.

 

If you are serious about reducing costs, the storage solution will have to be reworked. Consider a 1TB ssd and 2TB hdd.

 

Faster memory will improve performance.

 

Consider getting a slightly less expensive case with better airflow.

 

A 650W psu is more than enough capacity. I'd suggest the currently less expensive Seasonic Focus Plus Gold model.

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i7-8700K 3.7GHz 6-Core Processor  ($458.99 @ Amazon Canada) 
CPU Cooler: be quiet! - Dark Rock 4 CPU Cooler  ($77.27 @ Newegg Canada Marketplace) 
Motherboard: Asus - ROG STRIX Z370-E GAMING ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($254.99 @ Amazon Canada) 
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($201.99 @ Newegg Canada) 
Storage: Crucial - MX500 1TB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($235.79 @ Amazon Canada) 
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($73.50 @ Vuugo) 
Video Card: MSI - GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6GB GT OCV1 Video Card  ($359.99 @ Amazon Canada) 
Case: NZXT - H500 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($99.99 @ Newegg Canada) 
Power Supply: SeaSonic - FOCUS Plus Gold 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($99.99 @ PC-Canada) 
Operating System: Microsoft - Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit  ($120.95 @ Vuugo) 
Total: $1983.45
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-08-08 22:45 EDT-0400

 

 

[Phentos]

Squeezed in a 1070. OS was omitted since you can either run it without activating (you lose personalization options and have a watermark on lower right), or you can buy a key from Reddit, Kinguin, or the like.

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i7-8700K 3.7GHz 6-Core Processor  ($458.99 @ Amazon Canada) 
CPU Cooler: be quiet! - Dark Rock 4 CPU Cooler  ($77.27 @ Newegg Canada Marketplace) 
Motherboard: ASRock - Z370 Extreme4 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($200.00 @ Vuugo) 
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  ($203.99 @ Newegg Canada) 
Storage: Crucial - MX500 1TB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($235.79 @ Amazon Canada) 
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($73.50 @ Vuugo) 
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce GTX 1070 8GB SC GAMING ACX 3.0 Black Edition Video Card  ($549.99 @ Mike's Computer Shop) 
Case: NZXT - H500 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($99.99 @ Newegg Canada) 
Power Supply: SeaSonic - FOCUS Plus Gold 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($99.99 @ PC-Canada) 
Total: $1999.51
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-08-08 22:55 EDT-0400

[All-knowing idiot]

On ‎2018‎-‎08‎-‎08 at 10:12 PM, Spotty said:

 

Your audience will care about fan loudness if they can't hear you over the sound of a leaf blower/'blowimatron' running in your PC.

 

As for buying overkill parts to make it last 10 years, that's just stupid. You're paying an extra $1000 now to make it "future proof" for 10 years from now, when you'd be much better off saving that $1000, putting it in a piggy bank, and in 10 years time spending $1000 on a new PC. Think about how computer hardware advances rapidly, and how a modern computer compares to a computer from 10 years ago. A $1000 modern PC will easily out perform any 'overkill and futureproof' systems from 10 years ago.
 

You have a AIO cooler selected in your parts list. AIOs provide a closed loop to the CPU only. You can't add in GPU water blocks to an AIO loop. You would need to make an entirely custom water loop (fittings, hoses, pumps, reservoir, CPU block, radiators, etc) in order to be able to add in GPU water blocks.

 

It's pretty obvious that more thought needs to be put in to what you want to use the computer for, and what parts you realistically need to achieve it.

well, those are good points (of the fan being too loud). but lol thinking literally (for the piggybank one), who even puts 1000 dollars into a piggy bank. (just thinking of that makes me laugh kinda) also, I have no clue how to put custom water cooling loops into the website. maybe there is a tutorial online... and aren't custom loops more expensive? and I want a pc that is able to game without much lag (any setting would be fine, im not the kind of guy that wants to game with 4k) so yeah. I mean, the main things I would be using it for is gaming, streaming/recording gameplay, schoolwork (but that would not need such a powerful pc) and those would be more suited for a gaming type pc and not a workstation type pc (but I may use it for some workstation stuff, but not on any large projects, hopefully that clarifys what i'm gonna use the pc for) 

 

also, is there a big difference between these two cards? https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/products/compare/nk98TW,NJM323/

Edited August 13, 2018 by All-knowing idiot