First and High End build

[Gh0ster]

Hi. 

 

For about 2 years I'm planning to build my first PC (old ones wasn't build by me). So I'm planning to build high-end PC for 2-5 years without upgrade.

I've made research on every part that I choose, so I think this build will be perfect.

 

PC is made for gaming, and I'm talking about: AC origins, Space Engineers, Crysis 1-3, Battlefield, blender, sometimes video rendering. But mainly for Gaming.

 

I'm from Poland, so I will try to exchange my currency to $US.

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Now the parts:

CPU: 8th-gen i7-8700K

Price: 1579 PLN / $427,94

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MB: Gigabyte Z370 Aorus Gaming 7

Price: 1049 PLN / $284,28

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RAM: G.Skill Trident Z, DDR4, 4x8 GB, 3000 MHz, CL4 (F4-3000C14Q-32GTZ)

Price: 2105,61 PLN / $570,46

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GPU: Gigabyte Aorus GeForce GTX 1080 Ti Xtreme Edition 11GB - already bought

Price: 4044,75 PLN* / $1095,84 *(price includes shipping)

ACC: I need support for SAG! open for offers

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PSU: EVGA SuperNOVA G2 850W (220-G2-0850-X2)

Price: 754,54 PLN / $203,34

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SSD: Adata SU900 256 GB - already bought, - probably I will change for 500 GB version

Price: 447,00 PLN / $121,13

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SDD M2: Samsung 970 EVO 1TB PCIe x4 NVMe

Price: 1599,00 PLN / $430,90

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HDD: 2x Seagate FireCuda 2TB

Price per 1 pcs. : 420,99 PLN / $113,45

Price per 2 pcs. : 841,98 PLN / $226,90

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OS: Microsoft windows 10 pro 32/64 bit - I think about Home edition.

Price: 969,00 PLN / $262,37

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Monitor: Dell S2716DG

Price: 2489,00 PLN / $670,80

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CPU cooling: Noctua NH-D15

Price: 383,50 PLN / $103,85

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CASE: old one, mid tower Chieftec

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Sound Card: Asus Xonar Phoebus Solo - already bought

Price: 530,00 PLN / $143,54

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This is my build, and I'm think it is perfect, but I'm not an expert in PC building and 2-3 forums wasn't good, because they proposed to used cheap parts like psu corsair - which for me is not quite good (there are no information about protections?!)

 

Could some body check my build and if build is not that quite good please point me for better components options. 

My budget could be ~$5424,61 which is equivalent to 20000 PLN. 

[Jurrunio]

something tier 2 or above, 600w to 750w will do, no need to go higher

[Peskanova]

That monitor is not good with your card (with that pc why picking a freesync?) 

take this 
https://www.amazon.es/HP-Omen-27-Monitor-Respuesta/dp/B0732RYF8P/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1533721912&sr=8-1&keywords=omen+27

 

Take a look also on dell s2716DG same as omen 27 1440p /165hz / gsync
 

OS: Microsoft windows 10 pro 32/64 bit

Price: 969,00 PLN / $262,37 No no no noooo please too mucho moneeey my amigo maximum of 30$ per copy of windows dont buy at that price

 

[Peskanova]

Take seasonic focus + that is 650w gold Its in europe for 100-110 and its tier 1

[Gh0ster]

22 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

something tier 2 or above, 600w to 750w will do, no need to go higher

From this link, Focus plus platinum is Tier 2. I want to have extra power

[Jurrunio]

7 minutes ago, Gh0ster said:

From this link, Focus plus platinum is Tier 2. I want to have extra power

whatever, not like you will benefit at all anyway.

[Gh0ster]

21 minutes ago, Peskanova said:

That monitor is not good with your card (with that pc why picking a freesync?) 

take this 
https://www.amazon.es/HP-Omen-27-Monitor-Respuesta/dp/B0732RYF8P/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1533721912&sr=8-1&keywords=omen+27

 

Take a look also on dell s2716DG same as omen 27 1440p /165hz / gsync
 

OS: Microsoft windows 10 pro 32/64 bit

Price: 969,00 PLN / $262,37 No no no noooo please too mucho moneeey my amigo maximum of 30$ per copy of windows dont buy at that price

 

 Dell S2716DG - $677,47

HP OMEN 27 - $717,38

Monitor will be on the end of list. So good options, but I choosed iiyama with free sync, because of lack of money. So now I think i could buy one of those to Dell or HP  we will see in future.

 

Windows 10 Home 32/64-bit prices are around $135,51

Windows 10 Professional 32/64-bit price $251,79 - $262,37

I'm looking for BOX version not OEM

[Gh0ster]

3 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

whatever, not like you will benefit at all anyway.

So is it good or not? 

I have alternative

SeaSonic PRIME Platinum 850W (SSR-850PD)

Price is: $238,22

I think for i7-8700K + GTX 1080 Ti Xtreme edition, 750W is around 100% used. In future I'm planning OC :). That's way I would prefer 850W rather than 750W. 

[Jurrunio]

13 minutes ago, Gh0ster said:

So is it good or not? 

I have alternative

SeaSonic PRIME Platinum 850W (SSR-850PD)

Price is: $238,22

both are overkill.

 

13 minutes ago, Gh0ster said:

I think for i7-8700K + GTX 1080 Ti Xtreme edition, 750W is around 100% used. In future I'm planning OC :). That's way I would prefer 850W rather than 750W. 

8700k itself uses ~225w under peak overclock and Prime95 (unreasonably high stress level), while this 1080ti is limited to drawing 375w at most (wont hit that at all, you will be limited by the 1.09v voltage limit first before hitting the power limit). 750w PSUs will only be 80% saturated even in that case, plenty of room to supply power to other stuff.

[Gh0ster]

Ok. So 750W, Beger Tier 2 focus platinum plus or Prime? Similar prices

[brob]

3 hours ago, Gh0ster said:

So is it good or not? 

I have alternative

SeaSonic PRIME Platinum 850W (SSR-850PD)

Price is: $238,22

I think for i7-8700K + GTX 1080 Ti Xtreme edition, 750W is around 100% used. In future I'm planning OC :). That's way I would prefer 850W rather than 750W. 

Seasonic Focus Plus Gold, Corsair RMx or Evga G2 are excellent psu. Pick the least expensive.

 

The outer fan of the NH-D15 overhangs the memory area with 32mm clearance in its normal mounting position. Trident Z modules are less than optimal as a result. There are solutions: use a Dark Rock Pro 4 instead, get the NH-D15S, mount the outer fan ~10mm higher (requires a case that has ~175mm clearance), get lower profile memory like Corsair Vengeance LPX.

 

Consider getting 2x16GB memory instead of 4x8GB. There is no performance difference and would leave two memory slots open for a future non-replacement upgrade should it ever be needed.

 

Consider getting a 1TB - 2TB SATA III ssd instead of the 1TB NVMe drive.

 

Why two 2TB hdd instead of a 4TB unit?

[Gh0ster]

Ok so. How Cheaper corsair RM750x/RM850x are better than expensive Seasonic Focus plus platinum? I doesn't make sense :(.

RM750x (CP-9020179-EU) price: $132,07

RM850x (CP-9020093-EU) price: $203,74

EVGA SuperNOVA G2 750W (220-G2-0750-X2) price: $173,43

EVGA SuperNOVA R G2 850W (220-G2-0850-X2) price: $203,78

 

Noctua NH-D15 you can raise up fan and it won't collide to Trident Z rams. "*In chassis with more than 165mm CPU cooler clearance, the front fan can be moved upwards to make room for memory modules taller than 32mm."

For me, Noctua is the best air cooling manufacturer. Be Quiet nope.

 

In my present PC i have corsair, and because 2 of 4 was dead, I will really consider another manufacturer, but I will compare prices

Trident Z DDR4 2x16gb 3200 MHz CL14 (F4-3200C14D-32GTZ) price: $517,71

 

About SSD/M2 drive. Do you know speed differences? Sata III SSD max 600mb/s M2 1200-3500mb/s?

Could you explain why I should consider Sata SSD than M2 drive?

 

2x HDD 2TB why? Because I don't wan't to lose any data. Also when drives have more space it makes longer to load files from it.

 

As for summary. i'm trying to build serious High-end PC, even when some parts are Overkill they will last longer (psu are most efficient at 50%, so I don't want to use 100%)

I already spend 1/4 of total value, and I don't like to buy cheaper things because you can save money, ok you can. But for what price? Who will protect my $6000? Hmm?

So that's why I'm asking for Better options. HDD/SSD/M2 - I want this M2 drive for games. I'm spending $6000 to wait 5 minutes to load games? sorry no way!. Now when I have opportunity to upgrade PC for really better gaming expierience, I want better performance rather than price.

 

I'm still open for more options

Sincerely Gh0ster 

[brob]

PSU: I didn't say the psu were "better", just that they are excellent models. The implication being that one can often save a fair bit going with an 80+ Gold model without sacrificing quality. Focus Plus Platinum and Focus Plus Gold have identical warranty suggesting that Seasonic believes the units to be of similar quality.

 

CPU Cooler: As long as the case has enough clearance for the raised fan, you'll be fine. Of course there will be a very minor performance hit. If you don't trust Corsair memory, don't even consider getting it.

 

Storage: Simplifying: M.2 drives come in two main flavors, SATA III and NVMe. There are two mainstream NVMe versions generally available, 4-lane PCIe 3.0 and 2-lane PCIe 3.0. (Four and two lanes refer to the number of PCIe 3.0 lanes used to transfer data.) SATA III M.2 drives advertise speeds around 560 MB/s read and 510 MB/s write. 2-lane NVMe M.2 advertise speeds around 1000 MB/w read and 800 MB/s write. 4-lane NVMe M.2 advertise speeds around 3500 MB/s read and 2300 MB/s write.

 

The reason one might consider a 2-lane M.2 NVMe drive is to reduce costs without a noticeable drop in performance in general and gaming use. Conventional wisdom is that the much higher performance of 4-lane drives does not make that a noticeable difference in gaming, browsing, or other general use. However, it does make a difference and if cost is not an impediment, there is no reason not to use a NVMe drive. Although I wonder if the added cost of the Pro version is really worth it for a drive that will not have a high ratio of writes to reads. The Evo would save a bit without sacrificing much read/write performance.

 

If the plan is to put the 2TB hdd in a RAID 1 array, I would suggest getting units designed for that use. Seagate IronWolf, WD Red, and HGST Deskstar NAS would be more appropriate.

 

I don't think capacity has as much effect on hdd transfer speeds as rotational speed.

 

 

 

[Gh0ster]

13 hours ago, brob said:

PSU: I didn't say the psu were "better", just that they are excellent models. The implication being that one can often save a fair bit going with an 80+ Gold model without sacrificing quality. Focus Plus Platinum and Focus Plus Gold have identical warranty suggesting that Seasonic believes the units to be of similar quality.

 

CPU Cooler: As long as the case has enough clearance for the raised fan, you'll be fine. Of course there will be a very minor performance hit. If you don't trust Corsair memory, don't even consider getting it.

 

Storage: Simplifying: M.2 drives come in two main flavors, SATA III and NVMe. There are two mainstream NVMe versions generally available, 4-lane PCIe 3.0 and 2-lane PCIe 3.0. (Four and two lanes refer to the number of PCIe 3.0 lanes used to transfer data.) SATA III M.2 drives advertise speeds around 560 MB/s read and 510 MB/s write. 2-lane NVMe M.2 advertise speeds around 1000 MB/w read and 800 MB/s write. 4-lane NVMe M.2 advertise speeds around 3500 MB/s read and 2300 MB/s write.

 

The reason one might consider a 2-lane M.2 NVMe drive is to reduce costs without a noticeable drop in performance in general and gaming use. Conventional wisdom is that the much higher performance of 4-lane drives does not make that a noticeable difference in gaming, browsing, or other general use. However, it does make a difference and if cost is not an impediment, there is no reason not to use a NVMe drive. Although I wonder if the added cost of the Pro version is really worth it for a drive that will not have a high ratio of writes to reads. The Evo would save a bit without sacrificing much read/write performance.

 

If the plan is to put the 2TB hdd in a RAID 1 array, I would suggest getting units designed for that use. Seagate IronWolf, WD Red, and HGST Deskstar NAS would be more appropriate.

 

I don't think capacity has as much effect on hdd transfer speeds as rotational speed.

 

 

 

Hmm I think also, for my gaming experience 970/960 evo will be enough as far they are mlc rather than tlc. 

For explanation

you buy 4 tb drive, and you don’t want to have only one partition. So you will dived them by 4x1tb or more/less but I think 1Tb is ok. Next thing is I think they call it “file indexing” which is slow process when capacity is expanded (500gb will be indexed faster than 1Tb or more) another thing that someone told me about 6 years ago that the HDD drives sectors can randomly broke. So when I will get 4Tb drive I’m at bigger risk of losing data rather than using 2tb drive - I’m really sorry my knowledge about modern HDD/SSD manufacturing process are limited to this what I told now and to web/forums. 

My present HDD drives are about 7-10 years old but they were used only about 1-3 years! I don’t want to know what can happen if those drives will be used for longer time period.

 

Today I will do some changes in my first post. Including those new components that You guys provided.

 

In the future I will be also consider to change case for full tower, with water cooling system. But for now I must use old case.

 

Sincerely

Gh0ster

[brob]

2 hours ago, Gh0ster said:

...For explanation

you buy 4 tb drive, and you don’t want to have only one partition. So you will dived them by 4x1tb or more/less but I think 1Tb is ok. Next thing is I think they call it “file indexing” which is slow process when capacity is expanded (500gb will be indexed faster than 1Tb or more) another thing that someone told me about 6 years ago that the HDD drives sectors can randomly broke. So when I will get 4Tb drive I’m at bigger risk of losing data rather than using 2tb drive - I’m really sorry my knowledge about modern HDD/SSD manufacturing process are limited to this what I told now and to web/forums. 

My present HDD drives are about 7-10 years old but they were used only about 1-3 years! I don’t want to know what can happen if those drives will be used for longer time period.

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I'm not trying to change minds.

 

These comments are very general and grossly simplify the subjects. Windows file system indexing is done in the background and is a fairly continuous operation. How long it takes is not really material as it doesn't affect active read/writes. File system structures may be larger on bigger drives, but files systems are designed with this in mind and processing overhead is reasonably constant.

 

Having multiple partitions on a drive is not necessary and adds a level of complexity for the user that isn't necessary. The time a human being takes to decide / remember if a file is on partition A, B, or C is far longer than the time an o/s would take to locate the file in a single partition composed of the three partitions.

 

Check the spec sheets, non-recoverable read errors on hdd are pretty much identical across a broad range of sizes. WD Blue, for example specify a rate of < 1-bit in 10^14 for its 2TB thru 6TB models.

 

The failure of a large drive does lose much more data. Data loss is why good backups are necessary. And backup needs do not change because the data is on one unit or spread across multiple units.

[Gh0ster]

So now I need to buy a backup drive xD. Ehhh for now I have space for 2 drives :(. Because second shelf will be removed for GPU clearance.

 

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