first pc build

[Yeet.]

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/tC7Jw6

for 1080p 60hz gaming - most demanding is black ops 3

£1000 - £1250

no peripherals needed including monitor

 

- should I get a smaller ssd, worse case and worse psu for better graphics card and cpu cooler

- is the current cpu cooler good enough (maybe overclocking in future but can save for upgrade)

- pcpartpicker says sata is disbaled if I use m.2

- can I install all my games on the ssd 

- will I get 60fps+:

    csgo

    universe sandbox 2

    minecraft

    team fortress 2

    black ops 3

    titanfall 2

    rocket league

    life is strange before storm

    life is strange

    battlefront 2 (2005)

    fortnite

 

 

[jtmoseley]

24 minutes ago, Yeet. said:

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/tC7Jw6

for 1080p 60hz gaming - most demanding is black ops 3

£1000 - £1250

no peripherals needed including monitor

 

- should I get a smaller ssd, worse case and worse psu for better graphics card and cpu cooler

- is the current cpu cooler good enough (maybe overclocking in future but can save for upgrade)

- pcpartpicker says sata is disbaled if I use m.2

- can I install all my games on the ssd 

- will I get 60fps+:

    csgo

    universe sandbox 2

    minecraft

    team fortress 2

    black ops 3

    titanfall 2

    rocket league

    life is strange before storm

    life is strange

    battlefront 2 (2005)

    fortnite

 

PS I 

None of those games are particularly demanding, you could get by fine with very low specs. The 1070 in particular is quite overkill. A lot of people I feel like get the stigma that you have to buy high end if you want a decent experience, which isn't true at all. I have friends with 960 2GB and  1050ti's that run the same games I play with no issues.

 

I edited a few things:

Downgraded you to a 1060 6GB. Should be perfect for the games you listed in 1080p, and even 1440p. A 1070 is overkill, and with new cards on the horizon, I wouldn't buy it. Wait for next gen if you want to step up. Until then, a 1060 is perfect for your needs.

 

The Hyper 212 Evo is not good enough for the 8600k. I put an AIO on it, but you can put a good noctua tower cooler if you don't want liquid. Should be around the same price.

 

You had two separate 8GB sticks, you are going to want to have a 16 GB 4x4GB kit. They run together, and are faster.

 

You can get a copy of windows from a site called Kinguin, for about 25 USD, they are usually just ripped out of laptops. They are pretty legit, but if you want, there are tons of youtube videos about them.

 

I switched out your M.2 SSD for a Samsung 850 Evo 250GB (this will be your boot drive, and can house a few games), and I added a 2TB Hard Drive for bulk storage. The boot times for regular SSD's are very comparable to M.2 SSDs, and are sometimes faster. 

 

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/g46ZQZ

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Streetguru]

24 minutes ago, Yeet. said:

 

You don't need a 1070 to do 1080p gaming, better off with an RX 580 with an upgrade to a 1080p 144hz Free-sync display

 

The Ryzen CPu is a better value overall IMO, otherwise buy an i7 8700 non K instead of an i5 8600K

You don't need to buy windows you can install it for free using microsoft's media creation tool

 

Should buy a case that actually has airflow

The 240mm AIO is probably a bit overall, should be fine with like a Cryorig H5/H7
 

PCPartPicker part list: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/6zzw3b
Price breakdown by merchant: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/6zzw3b/by_merchant/

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 2600 3.4GHz 6-Core Processor  (£158.99 @ Amazon UK)
CPU Cooler: Enermax - Liqmax II 240 96.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  (£86.31 @ Amazon UK)
Motherboard: MSI - X470 GAMING PLUS ATX AM4 Motherboard  (£119.99 @ Ebuyer)
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  (£154.98 @ Ebuyer)
Storage: Western Digital - Blue 500GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  (£102.99 @ Ebuyer)
Video Card: PowerColor - Radeon RX 580 8GB Red Dragon Video Card  (£254.99 @ Ebuyer)
Case: Cooler Master - MasterBox 5 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case  (£44.99 @ Amazon UK)
Power Supply: Corsair - TXM Gold 650W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  (£69.59 @ Aria PC)
Monitor: Iiyama - GB2488HSU-B2 24.0" 1920x1080 144Hz Monitor  (£161.48 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £1154.31
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-06-26 02:48 BST+0100

[Yeet.]

4 minutes ago, jtmoseley said:

None of those games are particularly demanding, you could get by fine with very low specs. 

 

I edited a few things:

Downgraded you to a 1060 6GB. Should be perfect for the games you listed in 1080p, and even 1440p. A 1070 is overkill, and with new cards on the horizon, I wouldn't buy it. Wait for next gen if you want to step up. Until then, a 1060 is perfect for your needs.

 

The Hyper 212 Evo is not good enough for the 8600k. I put an AIO on it, but you can put a good noctua tower cooler if you don't want liquid. Should be around the same price.

 

You had two separate 8GB sticks, you are going to want to have a 16 GB 4x4GB kit. They run together, and are faster.

 

You can get a copy of windows from a site called Kinguin, for about 25 USD, they are usually just ripped out of laptops.

 

I switched out your M.2 SSD for a Samsung 850 Evo 250GB (this will be your boot drive, and can house a few games), and I added a 2TB Hard Drive for bulk storage. The boot times for regular SSD's are very comparable to M.2 SSDs, and are sometimes faster. 

 

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/g46ZQZ

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hi, thanks for your reply!

I changed the ssd for my preferred brand (WD)

I am really looking to buy everything from amazon or retailers, eg. pcworld.co.uk, that my parents know seeing as they are paying for it so i don't think they will trust kinguin for windows

Other than that I like the changes! and will follow the list you suggested:

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/987Jw6

[jtmoseley]

1 minute ago, Yeet. said:

Hi, thanks for your reply!

I changed the ssd for my preferred brand (WD)

I am really looking to buy everything from amazon or retailers, eg. pcworld.co.uk, that my parents know seeing as they are paying for it so i don't think they will trust kinguin for windows

Other than that I like the changes! and will follow the list you suggested:

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/987Jw6

Yeah, the SSD change is fine.

 

I can understand the issues with kinguin, if your parents are buying everything. In that case, just suck it up and pay the full price I suppose.

[jtmoseley]

4 minutes ago, Yeet. said:

Hi, thanks for your reply!

I changed the ssd for my preferred brand (WD)

I am really looking to buy everything from amazon or retailers, eg. pcworld.co.uk, that my parents know seeing as they are paying for it so i don't think they will trust kinguin for windows

Other than that I like the changes! and will follow the list you suggested:

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/987Jw6

Hold on, on the part list, it shows that you manually changed the price of the 1060 to 335, and the 1070 was 350. If the difference for you is only 15 dollars, then by all means get the 1070. https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/92gckd

[Yeet.]

1 minute ago, Streetguru said:

You don't need a 1070 to do 1080p gaming, better off with an RX 580 with an upgrade to a 1080p 144hz Free-sync display

 

The Ryzen CPu is a better value overall IMO, otherwise buy an i7 8700 non K instead of an i5 8600K

You don't need to buy windows you can install it for free using microsoft's media creation tool

 

Should buy a case that actually has airflow

The 240mm AIO is probably a bit overall, should be fine with like a Cryorig H5/H7
 

PCPartPicker part list: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/6zzw3b
Price breakdown by merchant: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/6zzw3b/by_merchant/

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 2600 3.4GHz 6-Core Processor  (£158.99 @ Amazon UK)
CPU Cooler: Enermax - Liqmax II 240 96.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  (£86.31 @ Amazon UK)
Motherboard: MSI - X470 GAMING PLUS ATX AM4 Motherboard  (£119.99 @ Ebuyer)
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  (£154.98 @ Ebuyer)
Storage: Western Digital - Blue 500GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  (£102.99 @ Ebuyer)
Video Card: PowerColor - Radeon RX 580 8GB Red Dragon Video Card  (£254.99 @ Ebuyer)
Case: Cooler Master - MasterBox 5 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case  (£44.99 @ Amazon UK)
Power Supply: Corsair - TXM Gold 650W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  (£69.59 @ Aria PC)
Monitor: Iiyama - GB2488HSU-B2 24.0" 1920x1080 144Hz Monitor  (£161.48 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £1154.31
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-06-26 02:48 BST+0100

Hello!

From what i have seen in benchmarks, intel is better for gamng although neither will bottleneck the 1060

I need a clean, full version of windows because I'm transferring games from xbox

[Yeet.]

1 minute ago, jtmoseley said:

Hold on, on the part list, it shows that you manually changed the price of the 1060 to 335, and the 1070 was 350. If the difference for you is only 15 dollars, then by all means get the 1070. https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/92gckd

sorry I meant to change to 235 not 335 lmao

[Yeet.]

@jtmoseley The changes made to the build:

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/HHYCw6

http://amzn.eu/fv67WxU

leave me with an extra £80, what should I spend it on?

[jiyeon]

38 minutes ago, Yeet. said:

- should I get a smaller ssd, worse case and worse psu for better graphics card and cpu cooler

- is the current cpu cooler good enough (maybe overclocking in future but can save for upgrade)

- pcpartpicker says sata is disbaled if I use m.2

- can I install all my games on the ssd 

- will I get 60fps+:

    csgo

    universe sandbox 2

    minecraft

    team fortress 2

    black ops 3

    titanfall 2

    rocket league

    life is strange before storm

    life is strange

    battlefront 2 (2005)

    fortnite

1. Your SSD is fine, your case is fine, please don't skimp on the PSU, your cooler is fine, and your GTX 1070 is fine

2. I have an 8600K with a Hyper 212, and it's fine for overclocks.

3. I can't answer that one.

4. Yes, I've installed my games on my SSD.

5. CSGO, Minecraft, TF2, Rocket League, and Fortnite easily. I'm not sure about the other games.

[Streetguru]

6 minutes ago, Yeet. said:

Hello!

From what i have seen in benchmarks, intel is better for gamng although neither will bottleneck the 1060

I need a clean, full version of windows because I'm transferring games from xbox

It's ahead in games, but at the cost of multi-threaded performance should it ever be useful for you. And the soldered IHS is nice for cooling, could also save a bit more and get a cheaper ASrock Pro4 board. The 240mm AIO isn't needed either as the ryzen stock cooler is fine.

 

The microsoft store works fine in unactivated windows as far as I can tell if that's what you meant.

X470 also gets you StoreMI which is fairly neat tech, if you wanted a 240GB SSD with 2TBs of storage, but still wanted it all accelerated
 

 

[jtmoseley]

17 minutes ago, Yeet. said:

sorry I meant to change to 235 not 335 lmao

Ah. Yeah that'll do it. Well other than that, stick with the legit copy. But do keep in mind, depending on who you buy your copy of windows from, it might still be the same copy as what you would get for 1/4th of the price from kinguin. 

 

And yes, you are right, as of right now AMD is still behind Intel in gaming performance. However, you might want to think ahead:

 

AMD is slowly gaining on Intel, especially with Intel's 10nm issues. AMD is on 7nm. If you were to go with an AMD CPU, you wouldn't really lose that much gaming performance (Especially on a 60hz monitor), and you would be able to future proof your system a little more by going with a motherboard that will be future compatible up to 2020. Right now, intel is only ahead because of their single core lead. That might not continue for much longer. 

 

At any rate, its your decision. People will fight about AMD processors for hours, so just choose what you want. Here are two part lists for each side:

 

Intel: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/7bn4gw

 

AMD: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/hxLXfH

 

Also: I added the 2TB HDD again, just in case. Having bulk storage is good, and there is no reason to keep everything on an SSD. You can also remove the AIO on intel's side and get a hyper 212, but as far as I am concerned, having a good cooler on such an overclockable processor is paramount. 

 

As for AMD, their included cooler is actually pretty good. You can get another cooler if you need, but the stock is fine.

 

 

[Yeet.]

8 minutes ago, jtmoseley said:

Ah. Yeah that'll do it. Well other than that, stick with the legit copy. But do keep in mind, depending on who you buy your copy of windows from, it might still be the same copy as what you would get for 1/4th of the price from kinguin. 

 

And yes, you are right, as of right now AMD is still behind Intel in gaming performance. However, you might want to think ahead:

 

AMD is slowly gaining on Intel, especially with Intel's 10nm issues. AMD is on 7nm. If you were to go with an AMD CPU, you wouldn't really lose that much gaming performance (Especially on a 60hz monitor), and you would be able to future proof your system a little more by going with a motherboard that will be future compatible up to 2020. Right now, intel is only ahead because of their single core lead. That might not continue for much longer. 

 

At any rate, its your decision. People will fight about AMD processors for hours, so just choose what you want. Here are two part lists for each side:

 

Intel: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/JsRXfH

 

AMD: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/kWn4gw

 

 

A valid point, I think then if it's more future-proof I will go ryzen (though my mate helping me build it will hate me)

There's a compatibility issue with the cooler on the build but as @Streetguru says it might not need a better cpu cooler, I might not include one and just get a better one for Christmas if stock is not enough.

 

This is where I'm at:

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/hYPW9J

[jtmoseley]

3 minutes ago, Yeet. said:

A valid point, I think then if it's more future-proof I will go ryzen (though my mate helping me build it will hate me)

There's a compatibility issue with the cooler on the build but as @Streetguru says it might not need a better cpu cooler, I might not include one and just get a better one for Christmas if stock is not enough.

Yep. Thats a good idea. Here is the updated AMD build: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/hxLXfH

[Yeet.]

2 minutes ago, jtmoseley said:

Yep. Thats a good idea. Here is the updated AMD build: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/hxLXfH

Thanks, I changed the r7 2700 for a 2700x for the 10% in single core performance (still in budget) and the case back to the 330r with fan controller

 

[jtmoseley]

1 minute ago, Yeet. said:

Thanks, I changed the r7 2700 for a 2700x for the 10% in single core performance (still in budget) and the case back to the 330r with fan controller

 

Alrighty. Both are preference based, completely up to you.

[Streetguru]

1 minute ago, Yeet. said:

Thanks, I changed the r7 2700 for a 2700x for the 10% in single core performance (still in budget) and the case back to the 330r with fan controller

 

RIP ariflow

[Yeet.]

1 minute ago, Streetguru said:

RIP ariflow

I think battlefront 2 2005 will melt my cpu

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/hpjkD2

[seon123]

7 minutes ago, Yeet. said:

This is where I'm at:

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/hYPW9J

There are 3000MHz 2x8GB kits for £30 less than the one you've selected. You also get more room for upgrades with 8GB sticks. 

Change the PSU for the Formula 450W for £60. 

Use the cash you save to get the 500GB MX500. 

Consider the 2600, if it's just for gaming. Alternatively, the 2700, and just overclock it. 

[Yeet.]

1 minute ago, seon123 said:

There are 3000MHz 2x8GB kits for £30 less than the one you've selected. You also get more room for upgrades with 8GB sticks. 

Change the PSU for the Formula 450W for £60. 

Use the cash you save to get the 500GB MX500. 

Consider the 2600, if it's just for gaming. Alternatively, the 2700, and just overclock it. 

most recent

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/hpjkD2

[Streetguru]

2 minutes ago, Yeet. said:

I think battlefront 2 2005 will melt my cpu

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/hpjkD2

There's cases that are similar with still alright airflow if your focus is on silence

Also you're going to want to use 2 sticks of memory for the best speeds. anything over 3000mhz isn't going to be major though.

Would get a bit better SSD maybe, that one's pretty bare minimum. WD Blue at least
 

 

[seon123]

1 minute ago, Yeet. said:

most recent

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/hpjkD2

You changed absolutely nothing...?

[Yeet.]

1 minute ago, seon123 said:

You changed absolutely nothing...?

cpu and ssd, I don't want to do the other chnages

[seon123]

1 minute ago, Yeet. said:

cpu and ssd, I don't want to do the other chnages

Why don't you want to make the other changes? The CPU and SSD are exactly the ones I recommended changing. 

[Yeet.]

@Streetguru The 330r has a fan controller though I will research other PC cases before buying, thanks for your suggestions