Quick question about HDD vertical position

[lcfz1986]

Is there a problem about a hdd put on vertical position? Is there a bad way to put hdd like this?

 

Couse i just warranty 2 hdd making sound and can't detect. I just bought another new hdd to replace the old hdd, just few week it also happen the same things making sound and sometimes can't detect.

 

My hdd all is WD brand.

[Electronics Wizardy]

Yep you can do this, it won't hurt the drive. 

[Crunchy Dragon]

I believe the drives may be malfunctioning due to being oriented vertically.

 

I've heard it's not good to store HDDs like that.

[fqn28734yy]

Well the ones in my corsair 570x are like that, that is the only way the mounts can be in it, and I havent had anyproblems

[Christophe Corazza]

No, you can orient those drives vertically perfectly fine.

 

A lot of server racks use a vertical mounting position. So, if HDDs would be damaged by this orientation, then a lot of servers would have major problems. 

[lcfz1986]

so i have try the 2 old hdd before warranty... i mount the hdd with laying down position is working fine...

 

i'm using silverstone rvz03 ( this case i feel alot a problems now... )

[kirashi]

3 hours ago, lcfz1986 said:

Is there a problem about a hdd put on vertical position? Is there a bad way to put hdd like this?

 

Couse i just warranty 2 hdd making sound and can't detect. I just bought another new hdd to replace the old hdd, just few week it also happen the same things making sound and sometimes can't detect.

 

My hdd all is WD brand.

The orientation of many of Corsair's cases result in your drives being vertical by default. I have an Air 240 and can confirm that all 3 of my 3.5" HDD's are still spinning away fine without any SMART failures after 4 years. That being said, you can have an HDD fail literally 5 seconds after powering it on in the same clean room lab it was assembled in, and you can have an HDD last for 10 years being subject to small shocks while in operation. It really is like gambling at the casino, so best rule of thumb is backup, backup, backup.

[lcfz1986]

8 minutes ago, kirashi said:

The orientation of many of Corsair's cases result in your drives being vertical by default. I have an Air 240 and can confirm that all 3 of my 3.5" HDD's are still spinning away fine without any SMART failures after 4 years. That being said, you can have an HDD fail literally 5 seconds after powering it on in the same clean room lab it was assembled in, and you can have an HDD last for 10 years being subject to small shocks while in operation. It really is like gambling at the casino, so best rule of thumb is backup, backup, backup.

Now im using small form factor... so i use all the hdd is 2.5"...

[Christophe Corazza]

5 hours ago, lcfz1986 said:

so i have try the 2 old hdd before warranty... i mount the hdd with laying down position is working fine...

 

i'm using silverstone rvz03 ( this case i feel alot a problems now... )

 

3 hours ago, lcfz1986 said:

Now im using small form factor... so i use all the hdd is 2.5"...

 

It really is a luck of the draw. Some drives may last you for years while others will show SMART errors when powered on for the first time. Even the two most popular brands of HDDs (Western Digital and Seagate) have drives that can fail shortly after their first use.

 

The only way for you to safely store your data is by redundancy: using drives in a RAID configuration AND using a regular (off-site) backup.

 

7 hours ago, Christophe Corazza said:

No, you can orient those drives vertically perfectly fine.

 

A lot of server racks use a vertical mounting position. So, if HDDs would be damaged by this orientation, then a lot of servers would have major problems. 

 

I would like to add to this that you should not mount HDDs in a diagonal position since that may unbalance the disks inside.

[lcfz1986]

19 hours ago, Christophe Corazza said:

 

 

It really is a luck of the draw. Some drives may last you for years while others will show SMART errors when powered on for the first time. Even the two most popular brands of HDDs (Western Digital and Seagate) have drives that can fail shortly after their first use.

 

The only way for you to safely store your data is by redundancy: using drives in a RAID configuration AND using a regular (off-site) backup.

This is really Sh**~ and really bad luck for me...

[Christophe Corazza]

3 hours ago, lcfz1986 said:

This is really Sh**~ and really bad luck for me...

 

True... As I have said: the only thing you can do is buy drives from reputable manufacturers like Western Digital and Seagate and most importantly: making regular backups. And even then you might have bad luck like you.

 

It could be that something went “wrong” during the production of that specific batch of HDDs resulting in drives that are prone to failure. Therefore, if you buy all of your drives from this batch you’ll end up with a lot of drives failing. You could try to spread out your purchase of HDDs in time, assuring that you buy drives from different batches.

Also, if the seller (or courier) of the drives is not careful during handling (or transportation), you also get failing/damaged units. Perhaps consider another seller?

[lcfz1986]

5 hours ago, Christophe Corazza said:

 

True... As I have said: the only thing you can do is buy drives from reputable manufacturers like Western Digital and Seagate and most importantly: making regular backups. And even then you might have bad luck like you.

 

It could be that something went “wrong” during the production of that specific batch of HDDs resulting in drives that are prone to failure. Therefore, if you buy all of your drives from this batch you’ll end up with a lot of drives failing. You could try to spread out your purchase of HDDs in time, assuring that you buy drives from different batches.

Also, if the seller (or courier) of the drives is not careful during handling (or transportation), you also get failing/damaged units. Perhaps consider another seller?

Just take to warranty... but they said will return a new 1 for me...

 

but i don't know will they test with no problems? couse my problems is when i put the hdd to vertical, if lay down shouldn't be problem.

 

And everytime when i take my pc to let the technician check nothing happen.

[Christophe Corazza]

19 minutes ago, lcfz1986 said:

Just take to warranty... but they said will return a new 1 for me...

 

but i don't know will they test with no problems? couse my problems is when i put the hdd to vertical, if lay down shouldn't be problem.

 

And everytime when i take my pc to let the technician check nothing happen.

 

Indeed, a drive can be positioned both vertically and horizontally (laying down) without any problems. So that won’t be the culprit of your drives failing.

 

Perhaps the courier is simply not careful enough with the drives during transport? Or the seller is not using decent protective packaging material? Or It is simply a bad batch of drives?

 

I would suggest running a S.M.A.R.T. test to make sure the new drive is OK before you write any data to it.

[lcfz1986]

13 hours ago, Christophe Corazza said:

I would suggest running a S.M.A.R.T. test to make sure the new drive is OK before you write any data to it.

Is there a way to check a hdd dying? How?

 

Now i only found out "Crystal Disk Info"... there got Standard, Shizuku & Kurei Kei edition...

 

Which you can recommended to me? Others software recommend?

[Christophe Corazza]

17 hours ago, lcfz1986 said:

Is there a way to check a hdd dying? How?

 

Now i only found out "Crystal Disk Info"... there got Standard, Shizuku & Kurei Kei edition...

 

Which you can recommended to me? Others software recommend?

 

It's pretty much impossible to predict exactly when a disk will fail, but there are some common signals that could suggest your storage is on its way out:

- Reduced performance by your system beginning to slow down (e.g. launching programs, searching for files, and saving documents).

- Odd noises such as clicking or grinding or even 'beeping'.

- Data corruption that you will notice as corrupted files or 'blue screens of death'.

 

Windows has a built-in disk analysing feature called 'Check Disk'. This looks for errors, corruption, and bad sectors on a drive that could be causing problems. It won't tell you that a disk needs replacing, but if you run it regularly then you'll see whether the amount of faults are rising. It's also just a useful tool to keep your drive in a healthy state. 

To run 'Check Disk' you need to open 'File Explorer', select 'This PC', then right-click on the drive you want to test. A pop-up menu will appear at the bottom of which is 'Properties'. Click this then choose the 'Tools' tab at the top of the new window that appears. In here you'll see an area entitled 'Error Checking'. Click the 'Check' option and Windows will examine the drive. This might take a long while, so be sure to run this when you don't need to use your PC. 

 

However, I suggest using third-party drive diagnostic software like the one you've mentioned (the standard version should be just fine). Crystal Disk Info is actually a very reputable disk monitoring software. It uses the SMART features that are present on most disk drives and allows it to detect when issues might be arising. It's not a catch-all, as SMART can't say whether a disk is dying or just naturally deteriorating, but it does give you a look at the current state of a drive and suggests when it should be replaced. Although, I should mention that it is definitely not fail proof. I have seen several cases of SMART test resulting in false negatives... the last one was even about a week ago.

It's also worth noting that many HDD manufacturers have their own diagnostic software available for free on their websites. If you know the manufacturer of your drive then downloading their program would be a good choice as well.

 

And obviously, as always: make sure you have redundancy built in to your storage setup and make regular backups!

 

Now that I've written all of this, I might as well post it 

[lcfz1986]

11 hours ago, Christophe Corazza said:

 

It's pretty much impossible to predict exactly when a disk will fail, but there are some common signals that could suggest your storage is on its way out:

- Reduced performance by your system beginning to slow down (e.g. launching programs, searching for files, and saving documents).

- Odd noises such as clicking or grinding or even 'beeping'.

- Data corruption that you will notice as corrupted files or 'blue screens of death'.

 

Windows has a built-in disk analysing feature called 'Check Disk'. This looks for errors, corruption, and bad sectors on a drive that could be causing problems. It won't tell you that a disk needs replacing, but if you run it regularly then you'll see whether the amount of faults are rising. It's also just a useful tool to keep your drive in a healthy state. 

To run 'Check Disk' you need to open 'File Explorer', select 'This PC', then right-click on the drive you want to test. A pop-up menu will appear at the bottom of which is 'Properties'. Click this then choose the 'Tools' tab at the top of the new window that appears. In here you'll see an area entitled 'Error Checking'. Click the 'Check' option and Windows will examine the drive. This might take a long while, so be sure to run this when you don't need to use your PC. 

 

However, I suggest using third-party drive diagnostic software like the one you've mentioned (the standard version should be just fine). Crystal Disk Info is actually a very reputable disk monitoring software. It uses the SMART features that are present on most disk drives and allows it to detect when issues might be arising. It's not a catch-all, as SMART can't say whether a disk is dying or just naturally deteriorating, but it does give you a look at the current state of a drive and suggests when it should be replaced. Although, I should mention that it is definitely not fail proof. I have seen several cases of SMART test resulting in false negatives... the last one was even about a week ago.

It's also worth noting that many HDD manufacturers have their own diagnostic software available for free on their websites. If you know the manufacturer of your drive then downloading their program would be a good choice as well.

 

And obviously, as always: make sure you have redundancy built in to your storage setup and make regular backups!

 

Now that I've written all of this, I might as well post it 

 

Thx for the knowledge... this will help me for the future.

[Christophe Corazza]

20 minutes ago, lcfz1986 said:

 

Thx for the knowledge... this will help me for the future.

 

Good luck with the replacement HDD 

[lcfz1986]

This 2 days i finally found out the problems~~

Because i just got my warranty from WD with new HDD... but still got same problems~ and sometime connected sometime won't.

so i change the PSU output for HDD slot then now all my hdd work fine~

 

Maybe my PSU output for HDD got problems...

[Christophe Corazza]

4 hours ago, lcfz1986 said:

This 2 days i finally found out the problems~~

Because i just got my warranty from WD with new HDD... but still got same problems~ and sometime connected sometime won't.

so i change the PSU output for HDD slot then now all my hdd work fine~

 

Maybe my PSU output for HDD got problems...

 

What PSU do you have?

[lcfz1986]

2 hours ago, Christophe Corazza said:

 

What PSU do you have?

Corsair TX750M

[Christophe Corazza]

9 minutes ago, lcfz1986 said:

Corsair TX750M

 

The Corsair TX750M is a very decent PSU. It's actually a top tier power supply (see list below). However, even very decent components can be faulty...

So now you don't experience any issues anymore?

 

 

[lcfz1986]

11 minutes ago, Christophe Corazza said:

 

The Corsair TX750M is a very decent PSU. It's actually a top tier power supply (see list below). However, even very decent components can be faulty...

So now you don't experience any issues anymore?

 

Nope... now can boot up windows with normal and everythings work perfect.

 

Thx again

 

[Christophe Corazza]

5 minutes ago, lcfz1986 said:

Nope... now can boot up windows with normal and everythings work perfect.

 

Thx again

 

That's wonderful to hear.